Poll: Tesco bans a "Jedi Knight" from their store
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Really? Wasn't the Qu'ran written in the 7th century, and Muhammad being born in the 6th?effilctar said:
I admit I was off with thousands but no way is Islam that young a religion.
Point still stands though, jedi hood =/= muslim hood, but unless the clothes in question were directly offensive (like with swear words or such), there's no reason to ban this guy from a store.
While this was unfair and all I have one question about the religion WHY? Why would you make a religion out of a fictional movie, you know a Jedi-like religion already exists its called Taoism I believe thats what the Jedi were modeled after because it predates Star Wars by a lot.
Yeah, but it's a religion he made up, meaning he's the founder of the Church of Jedi.RAND00M said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7200531.stm
Basically Tesco told him to lower his hood and he said "No, it's against my religion, because I say it is" - I really wound be surprised if he made up that rule on the spot.
I think this guy needs a serious reality check and a slap.
He's basically claiming that his religion, that he invented out of a overly nerdy obsession with Star Wars, is as important as Islam, that he is as an important or as holy a figure as Mohammed or Jesus.
Well all but one single religion are without doubt flat out wrong anyway (if not all), we may as well add another one to the melting pot. I sense it was done as a stunt anyway.
Out of the Abrahamic religions Islam is the youngest and largest. The youngest "mainstream" religion i would say is Sikhism, which started off in the 1600's i think.effilctar said:
Question is "what defines religion" - He has a registered religion & part of that religion is the hood rule. Sure the fact its based on a film...May be crazy....But its a religion all the same. (and has the same amount of evidence about higher powers than every other religion *+1 zing*)
Again - This is the sun, Any article they can get towards banning Bhurkas (typo?) They will do.
Again - This is the sun, Any article they can get towards banning Bhurkas (typo?) They will do.
I can't stand the people who are like "it should apply to all religions"
Jedi is hardly a fucking religion.
It was a group of people I could care less about that were created for a story I couldn't care less about. To call it a religion is just disguising the fact that 'Jedis' are just Star Wars obsessed.
Jedi is as much a religion as discordianism, and deserves as much dignity as pretty much any religion gets from most atheists.
Also, looking into the detail a little more. He was wearing a hoodie, greatly associated with chavs. I own one, and whenever I'm in a public place, or even if it's late at night and I happen to walk down the same path as someone else, I take my hood down to reduce any concept of hostility or fear of me. There's a vast cultural difference between a woman wearing a veil and a guy in his early twenties wearing a hoody.
I highly doubt hoodies, in the fashion he was wearing in that picture at least, are considered formal wear in Jedi religion.
I should also point out that Tesco have done nothing wrong in refusing entry to someone. They do not have to let everyone in. Their buildings are privately owned (As much so as they can be with current governmental control over things) and the owners/security guards of said building have the right to deny entry to those they deem suspicious.
I don't hear many stories of Muslim women hanging outside corner shops until late night/early morning and harassing everyone they don't know who comes by. Maybe this is why they're not deemed suspicious.
Jedi is hardly a fucking religion.
It was a group of people I could care less about that were created for a story I couldn't care less about. To call it a religion is just disguising the fact that 'Jedis' are just Star Wars obsessed.
Jedi is as much a religion as discordianism, and deserves as much dignity as pretty much any religion gets from most atheists.
Also, looking into the detail a little more. He was wearing a hoodie, greatly associated with chavs. I own one, and whenever I'm in a public place, or even if it's late at night and I happen to walk down the same path as someone else, I take my hood down to reduce any concept of hostility or fear of me. There's a vast cultural difference between a woman wearing a veil and a guy in his early twenties wearing a hoody.
I highly doubt hoodies, in the fashion he was wearing in that picture at least, are considered formal wear in Jedi religion.
I should also point out that Tesco have done nothing wrong in refusing entry to someone. They do not have to let everyone in. Their buildings are privately owned (As much so as they can be with current governmental control over things) and the owners/security guards of said building have the right to deny entry to those they deem suspicious.
I don't hear many stories of Muslim women hanging outside corner shops until late night/early morning and harassing everyone they don't know who comes by. Maybe this is why they're not deemed suspicious.
I think that altering Canadian laws to meet the needs of religious groups that IMMIGRATE TO CANADA is absolutely ridiculous. I'm going to guess and say that this was the Jedi Knight's point.
dude.... you are entitled to not believe that "Jedi" is a religion, but so is he to believe in his religion, and if his religion is recogniced as a "religion" in his country (note that i dont know if it is) then he should be entitled to practice his costumes and manners in amy public space, besides that, "sniggering" and stating "we would require that *such* and *such* *fictional character in our eyes* haves to comply to our regulations" is just a form of prejudice, wich i am fairly shure it´s against the law in several countryes (note that i dont know the laws of that country)RYjet911 said:
and just because he "fits" an "stereotype" he shouldn´t be judged as that stereotype.
of course, thats what i think and believe, again you are entitled to whatever you want to believe.
No, he shouldn't have been thrown out, but the Jedi Faith really shouldn't exist, there isn't even any spiritual grounds for it, it's just a bunch of nerds who didn't want church to cut into their BattleStar Galactica time so they joined some fake-ass "religion" centered around movies from the 1970s. I mean they're good movies, but that is neither here nor there.
Tesco win the arguement purely on this basis:
A Tesco spokesman said: "We would ask Jedis to remove hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side."
I can't believe so many people are getting worked up about this. You can't compare the bible or qur'an to a handbook written last year by a someone who liked the Star Wars movies.
You can try and justify it all you want, but the guy in the article (Daniel Jones) wrote the handbook. He wrote the rule that says he must wear a Hood, whereas people who wear turbans or Burkas do so because their religion requires them to do so. They didn't write this rule, its something ingrained into their society. I doubt they wear it because they want to.
Also whats stopping him adding anything he wants to his handbook, he could write that it's every Jedis right to kill someone on Tuesday. Should they be allowed?
I'm aware that the arguement about how much time goes by before a religion becomes established will probably arise. But remember in this instance its a 'religion' based on a movie.
A Tesco spokesman said: "We would ask Jedis to remove hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side."
I can't believe so many people are getting worked up about this. You can't compare the bible or qur'an to a handbook written last year by a someone who liked the Star Wars movies.
You can try and justify it all you want, but the guy in the article (Daniel Jones) wrote the handbook. He wrote the rule that says he must wear a Hood, whereas people who wear turbans or Burkas do so because their religion requires them to do so. They didn't write this rule, its something ingrained into their society. I doubt they wear it because they want to.
Also whats stopping him adding anything he wants to his handbook, he could write that it's every Jedis right to kill someone on Tuesday. Should they be allowed?
I'm aware that the arguement about how much time goes by before a religion becomes established will probably arise. But remember in this instance its a 'religion' based on a movie.
If they threw this bloke out for wearing a hood, why don't they throw out all the annoying chav kids who actually make public nuisances of themselves?