Poll: The Doctors Greatest Enemy

[interspark]

but I do remember watching two guys kill a Dalek with a length of rope in a film/special type thing (they used the rope to drag it into an open lift-shaft) the "modern" Daleks would laugh off something like that.

yes that was the docs first adventure "doctor who and the daleks" in those days an army of daleks was beaten by an equal number of primitie humanoids, in this day and age a single dalek could take on an army of cybermen, and people really used to have nightmares about those things?

 

[interspark]

Also was it just me or has there been a lot of repeated themes in in the newer material? Im talking about nano-foes. Gas-mask zombies? awsome, Shadow-zombies (the library episode) hrmmm, Water-zombies (second last David Tennant special) Ive seen this before...

the vashta nerada were in no way zombies, they completely devoured people and then just so happened to use their suits as a vessel. i always thought theyd have been safer if they HADNT sealed their suits, i mean, quite besides the fact that theyd know when one of them got eaten it also might have stopped the vashta nerada from being able to conrol them so easily

 

[interspark]

Fun fact: Angels are portrayed not by statutes but by actual actors! who would've thought!

pretty obvious if you stop and think about it, i mean, theres only so many angel statues in different poses any one film crew can stash, and i dought a flexible one of that size would keep its shape very well, nor would it look very realistic

 

[Erja_Perttu]

The Master. Say my name...

 

[SuccessAndBiscuts]

but I do remember watching two guys kill a Dalek with a length of rope in a film/special type thing (they used the rope to drag it into an open lift-shaft) the "modern" Daleks would laugh off something like that.

yes that was the docs first adventure "doctor who and the daleks" in those days an army of daleks was beaten by an equal number of primitie humanoids, in this day and age a single dalek could take on an army of cybermen, and people really used to have nightmares about those things?

Like I said I find something more frightening if I think I might have a chance against it.

Also was it just me or has there been a lot of repeated themes in in the newer material? Im talking about nano-foes. Gas-mask zombies? awsome, Shadow-zombies (the library episode) hrmmm, Water-zombies (second last David Tennant special) Ive seen this before...

the vashta nerada were in no way zombies, they completely devoured people and then just so happened to use their suits as a vessel. i always thought theyd have been safer if they HADNT sealed their suits, i mean, quite besides the fact that theyd know when one of them got eaten it also might have stopped the vashta nerada from being able to conrol them so easily

I know they wernt really zombies. For that matter the "Gas-mask zombies" wern't either, or the Water-zombies, but they were still ungainly, re-animated, (in a way) dead bodies.

Its not so much the zombies part that gets me as the fact they were caused by nano-foes, things so microscopic you can't see them.

I guess it goes back to my original point. If I can't see something then I can't fight it, if I can't fight it then I lose interest.

 

[mesoforte]

The Doctor himself.

His struggle is a symbolic fight where he himself is his greatest enemy.

Edit*-

To add to this, the only time the Doctor is ever really in danger is when he doubts himself. Once he stops doing that, bam! he has a solution.

He's a character that's always in control. But when he doubts his abilities he loses that control. I always thought that was the point of having a super powerful entity as a main character (ala Superman's World of cardboard speech.)

Spoiler: If you never heard it before

Spoiler: Coincidence?

 

[TastyCarcass]

The Doctor just worse than killed thousands of Weeping Angels! Even if it was him or them... wow

 

[Arcticflame]

I would of said daleks, but that last episode was the worst episode of doctor who I have ever seen, totally cheapened the daleks. They look like they should be on Kings Street rather than riding around space destroying worlds.

So now it's the master, or cybermen.

 

[master m99]

for the new docter prob my cousin in law who stole his high school gf true story and no i cant prove it unfortunantly =S

 

[GL2814E]

Personally my biggest issue with a lot of the new series material is how over-powered all the villans are. Im not really up to date on the older material but I do remember watching two guys kill a Dalek with a length of rope in a film/special type thing (they used the rope to drag it into an open lift-shaft) the "modern" Daleks would laugh off something like that.

If I am facing the ultimate power of evil in the universe or whatever Im more scared/impressed by something I think I might have a fighting chance against than by something I know I don't have a hope in hell against and need the Doctor to save my useless human ass.

Thats the reason I like the Weeping Angels.

Also was it just me or has there been a lot of repeated themes in in the newer material? Im talking about nano-foes. Gas-mask zombies? awsome, Shadow-zombies (the library episode) hrmmm, Water-zombies (second last David Tennant special) Ive seen this before...

See I like how they beefed up the threat of the Doctor's foes. The show just wouldn't work today if some of the same hokey solutions from the 1960s through the 1970s were used...

(And actually I remember the First Doctor killing a Dalek with a mirror in 'The Five Doctors.' And that was in the 1980s... LAME)

I thought the point was that most people do need the Doctor to save their asses.

Some things are just beyond humanity by the 21st century. And nobody human defeated the Weeping Angels. That was all the Doctor and luck. (Though Torchwood could do it, with more cursing and violence.)

I do like the water and gas-mask zombies though. Those were badass.

(And yes, I know they weren't technically zombies, but you know what, neither are Deadites from Evil Dead and yet I hear people refer to them as Zombies periodically so whatever.)

On-Topic- I love the Master the most. IN ALL OF HIS APPEARANCES. What a egomaniac. And the mesmerism... Awesome.

 

[Xelt]

The doctor (in the new series anyway) states that the Daleks are his oldest and greatest enemies, the Master is more of a insane Rival then an actual nemesis imo but...

The weeping angels

This... something you can't kill, that's patient AND is hellishly creepy!

Has anyone ever tired just smashing one whilst looking at it ?

 

[SuccessAndBiscuts]

I thought the point was that most people do need the Doctor to save their asses.

Some things are just beyond humanity by the 21st century. And nobody human defeated the Weeping Angels. That was all the Doctor and luck. (Though Torchwood could do it, with more cursing and violence.)

I do like the water and gas-mask zombies though. Those were badass.

Ok trimmed that down a little so I can answer some of the points.

Yes I agree, the point is most people need the Doctor to save them is centeral to the story BUT like I have said elsewhere I find something more scary/belivable if I have a fighting chance against it. I don't mean defeating it outright, just the thought that I (or any other human) might have a chance surviving that situation withought the Doctors help.

Drop me in a situation with a Dalek? I know im done for unless the Doctor shows up and even then its a long shot.

Drop me in a situation with an Angel? Again odds are im stuffed but I know if I can see it it can't move, there is a chance, however slim that I could evade it and get somewhere public.

Finally, yes the gas-mask zombies were awsome but I feel that the other two were just the same idea re-hashed and dressed up differently.

Suppose it all just comes down to personal taste though, your mileage may vary.