Poll: The Escapist's perception of rap music
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Hip hop is more the cultural elemant of urban youth kinda defining themselves. where as rap is just an art form that makes up a part of hip hop. Other parts are stuff like b-boying, graffity and another key one i cant remember right now.DustyDrB said:
I'm gonna be honest with you buddy, I hate rap music. But I don't hate you for listening to it. The fact that you said you like urban, then posted the lyrics to lesser known songs shows that you have a connection with this kind of music. And if you like it, fuck what other people say. They don't control you.
As an avid rap listener myself, I think I am well qualified to say there is a lot of garbage rap out there, and for some reason most of that garbage is on the radio. I can't say "it's all incredible" because it's not. There a plenty of excellent rap albums out there, but none someone who might listen to rap in passing would know about.
Actually, while rap has built it's name around sampling, quite a few rap producers use real instruments for their beats. There are even rap bands. And the real craft in making rap music is in the mixing (or in other words, composing). Any idiot can load up FruityLoops and make a beat, but it takes a lot of skill to make each instrument hit when it needs to, when to build up, when to break it down, etc. I know it doesn't seem like much, but mixing is one of the reasons why someone like Burt Bacharach had Dr. Dre mix down 3 songs for him, because Dr. Dre is the man when it comes to mixing.Audioave10 said:
Today's rap is total 100% shit. No lyrical meaningfulness, the same 3 beats are found in almost every song (the snare drum, the thump, and clap), and there is too many posers. T this and lil' that and a bunch of shawty-s. Public Enemy and Insane Clown Posse are good, but that was old stuff, when the exact opposite of said complaints were true.
Insane Clown Posse is still going, but surprisingly, they maintain their old style. That Click Click Ft E40 thing is pretty cool though. I love a good electro song like that
The Gorillaz are an extremely awesome band (if they can be considered a band; rather, than a one man powerhouse of coolness)
Insane Clown Posse is still going, but surprisingly, they maintain their old style. That Click Click Ft E40 thing is pretty cool though. I love a good electro song like that
The Gorillaz are an extremely awesome band (if they can be considered a band; rather, than a one man powerhouse of coolness)
I can agree with the "mixing" being good or bad. But I still look for something more like an
art form whenever possible. I don't dislike all rap since some is used for dance music and is
popular.
art form whenever possible. I don't dislike all rap since some is used for dance music and is
popular.
I think rap is okay, but only okay. Yes, A LOT of rap is rubbish but it has potential to be poetic and really cool.
I like what Moby does with some rap. He made a rap about Alice in Wonderland. If that's not cool, I don't know what is.
I like what Moby does with some rap. He made a rap about Alice in Wonderland. If that's not cool, I don't know what is.
EndlessSarcasm said:
Actually it surprises me that anyone would be surprised by this. In general rap is popular with the entire angry youth demographic and those looking to get attention. Nerds and geeks by definition as outcasts from the mainstream are very typically into Rap, Heavy Metal, and other things.
What's more there are entire generes of Rap like "Nerdcore" based around the idea, both making lighthearted fun of the idea of nerd rappers, while at the same time sort of reveling in the connection.
Check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89jt7zJzkNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWeXVS5lLBo&feature=related
Not to mention all the other videos and things linked off of those.
Speaking for myself though I tend to feel that while there is nothing wrong with rap or hip hop as musical styles, I feel that the culture surrounding both tends to be toxic, and the "message" involved in most of the music is basically anti-societal and encourages or justifies what amounts to the worst in human behavior even when it's not suggesting anything overtly criminal (though this goes beyond the scope of this discussion). Sadly it's rare that you can find what I consider to be redeeming rap or hip hop music. I also consider it a sign of what is holding the genere back when guys like Tupac can be considered anything but rabble rousers and problem children. Things have gone even further downhill from there, and frankly I feel that guys like that don't represent the epitome of rap, but arguably what it needs to get away from.... though that is simply my opinion.
In the end though, you'll find most nerds/geeks tend to be both very liberal, and embrace the loudest counter cultures they can find. Trust me, when games like "Saint's Row 2" come out you have pretty much every game nerd with a keyboard sounding off about it's soundtrack (positively or negatively) shortly after it's revealed. All of whom for some reason think they are in some way unusual for their tastes (or wish they were) even while conveging to the message boards in massive flocks to share and argue their combined musical wisdom. Nerds also love Heavy Metal, as shown by a lot of what was said about "Brutal Legend" even if the game didn't succeed as well as it could have. That game really brought tons of nerdy wannabee metalheads out of the woodwork into forums.
You hardly do credit to your point by posting that drivel...4000quails said:
That set of lyrics completely fails to tell any kind of story. It was just a bunch of sentences loosely strung together which only make sense when preceeded by something that had a similar theme. Kind of like a word association game, but with words that make the rapper sound all dark and edgy...
Not impressed...
I admire a good rappers ability to tell a story with direction and purpose (Eminem's Stan for eg). But no matter what the theme of the song, if it doesn't make sense, it's probably just a load of meaningless crap.
Don't care for it. I'd say it's all rubbish, but I haven't listened to it all, and therefore can't quite make that claim. So I went with mostly rubbish, as in every song I've listened to that can be classified as rap is about as musically/mentally stimulating as getting kicked in the nads.
Also, most that I've listened to are way too self-aware. (As in the song is mentioned in the song. The hell is that bullshit?)
Also, most that I've listened to are way too self-aware. (As in the song is mentioned in the song. The hell is that bullshit?)
Some of it is okay, as long as it isn't gangster rap and the words have some meaning behind them. Rap will never dethrone rock n' roll in my eyes, NEVER, as long as AC-DC lives!
I see your point but don't base that generalisation on Jay-Z as song sampling is his style, and it does work. His album songs are much more profound and have unique subjects - "D.O.A (Death of Auto-Tune)halfeclipse said:
