Poll: The Hunting thread!

[Wadders]

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Saying he committed genocide is wrong 'cos he never, I have just looked it up and it says attempted genocide is still genocide but it isn't.

Let me explain, you either do something, don't do something or attempt to do something, murder for example. You can either a murder, not a murder or attempt to murder, just 'cos you tried to do it doesn't mean you did it. If we go by the definition that attempted means you succeeded that means I flew once!

I'm not going to bother arguing this point with you, it is irrelevant to the main argument. I'm just gonna stick by what I said before: Genocide is the destruction or attempted destruction (ie. killing 6 million Jews, not the entire group of jews, but still a hideous amount) of an ethnic/ religious group.

People who do things the hard way round are illogical, life is to short to make things hard for yourself (no jokes please).

I like what Bill Bailey said "I am a vegetarian, I only eat fish ... and ducks, well comon there like fish, they spend most of there life in the water ... and cows ... and any other animals that go near water"

So life is too short to enjoy yourself? Because like I just said, they enjoy doing it. Its a traditional rural passtime. They enjoy the test of skill, they enjoy the experience, they enjoy the satisfaction of having got their own food. Some people enjoy driving around council estates in a chaved-up Nova, wasting fuel and looking like a complete cock and playing shit music, drawing attention to their shit car. Now that makes no sense, but they seem to enjoy it, no matter how pointless it seems to me. See my point?

I know a male deer is a buck, I just heard a guy say "he is full of buck shot" on a horror film after a guy got wasted by a shotgun so I just call it buckshot.

Well thats fair enough. Buckshot would be better for that purpose than birdshot, what with being made to kill deer, not birdies an all that.

How about you don't eat the hard to get stuff? I have never had it so it's not essential to living. It is nice to vary things around but I can vary it without hunting.

You probably can buy it, butchers or more upper class places will probably stock it.

No it's not essential. Buying nice clothes isn't essential for life. Eating cake isn't essential. Playing golf isn't essential. People still do these things though. It's the non-essentials in life, the luxuries if you will, that make it worth living. For some people going on a shoot is a nice luxury.

And yes, more "upper class" butchers etc. do sell it. Guess who they buy it off?

You guessed it. Its not like butchers have a pheasant/ deer machine in the back room. Its gotta come from somewhere.

Go to a pet shop and buy a pet to have a close relationship with an animal, if you don't want to clean up after it just go to a friends house or a petting zoo. It's hardly a relationship if you look at it down the sites for a few seconds then treat it like the Russian civvies in MW2 and make it fall down.

Exactly, I don't want a relationship with a cow, I want a burger, with cheese, maybe some milk and leather clothes and/or furniture.

So you think "wow, look at that deer eating grass in these woods, isn't it amazing! It's like a scene from a movie .... I shall call it Bambi's mum!"

Respecting an animal is not the same as having a relationship with it. You can respect a person without being their friend. Same with animals. Farmers dont name every fucking cow they own, talk to them all at milking time, pat them and stroke them. But (for the most part) they treat them with respect, and ensure their general wellbeing.

So for example if you respect an animal that you hunt, you make sure not to make a mess in it's habitat, clean up after yourself, ensure that you make a clean kill to cause it as little distress as possible, and kill within your quota or whatever.

Seriously guys: what are you all freaking out about? Hunting is an ageold tradition. When i put a swarm of birdshot in a grouse I belive i have earned the right to kill it and eat it cause i'm skilled enough to do it. Said grouse feels no pain at all if you do it right and hunting associatons focus primarily on killing the animal humanely. These comments on genocide and that hunters do it for entertainment is a farse. Ofcourse there are hunters who do it for the thrill of the hunt. I am one them and if your'e going hunting you might as well enjoy it. The animals are killed anyways if you buy it from a store.
people have been doing this since the dawn of time and controling the population of a species if very important due to the fact that without doing so, there will not be enough food for everyone. Then they will starve to death and die slowly. How humane is that?

Seriously people: I expected more from the social elite that is The Escapist...

Exactly!

Good luck trying to get them to accept that though...

 

[omega 616]

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Lets agree to disagree, otherwise were going to be here for ever, going round and round in
circles.

Seriously guys: what are you all freaking out about? Hunting is an ageold tradition. When i put a swarm of birdshot in a grouse I belive i have earned the right to kill it and eat it cause i'm skilled enough to do it. Said grouse feels no pain at all if you do it right and hunting associatons focus primarily on killing the animal humanely. These comments on genocide and that hunters do it for entertainment is a farse. Ofcourse there are hunters who do it for the thrill of the hunt. I am one them and if your'e going hunting you might as well enjoy it. The animals are killed anyways if you buy it from a store.
people have been doing this since the dawn of time and controling the population of a species if very important due to the fact that without doing so, there will not be enough food for everyone. Then they will starve to death and die slowly. How humane is that?

Seriously people: I expected more from the social elite that is The Escapist...

So that gives a surgeon the right to kill and eat you? What about a butcher? Can I kill you and eat you? I am sure I could figure out how to do it.

Well going off your logic, if you can kill and eat something you have the right to do it, What about swans and endangered species? By your logic can you kill and eat them?

If you took humans out of the equation life on earth would be better, everything would balance out eventually, remember "survival of the fittest" let nature do what it does best and weed out the things that need to die.

But 'cos man knows best we have to interfere and screw everything up.

Since the dawn of time? Really, remember this is "the social elite" at the dawn of time we never existed, it was millions of years before something grew legs. If everything was ok before we arrived it will go back to being ok if we left.

If we are the pinnacle of society, why do we all have to agree? And why aren't we out socializing?

 

[Wadders]

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Lets agree to disagree, otherwise were going to be here for ever, going round and round in
circles.

I like the sound of that. To each his own.

Enjoyed the debate though

 

[One More Frag]

snip

Lets agree to disagree, otherwise were going to be here for ever, going round and round in
circles.

Seriously guys: what are you all freaking out about? Hunting is an ageold tradition. When i put a swarm of birdshot in a grouse I belive i have earned the right to kill it and eat it cause i'm skilled enough to do it. Said grouse feels no pain at all if you do it right and hunting associatons focus primarily on killing the animal humanely. These comments on genocide and that hunters do it for entertainment is a farse. Ofcourse there are hunters who do it for the thrill of the hunt. I am one them and if your'e going hunting you might as well enjoy it. The animals are killed anyways if you buy it from a store.
people have been doing this since the dawn of time and controling the population of a species if very important due to the fact that without doing so, there will not be enough food for everyone. Then they will starve to death and die slowly. How humane is that?

Seriously people: I expected more from the social elite that is The Escapist...

So that gives a surgeon the right to kill and eat you? What about a butcher? Can I kill you and eat you? I am sure I could figure out how to do it.

Well going off your logic, if you can kill and eat something you have the right to do it, What about swans and endangered species? By your logic can you kill and eat them?

If you took humans out of the equation life on earth would be better, everything would balance out eventually, remember "survival of the fittest" let nature do what it does best and weed out the things that need to die.

But 'cos man knows best we have to interfere and screw everything up.

Since the dawn of time? Really, remember this is "the social elite" at the dawn of time we never existed, it was millions of years before something grew legs. If everything was ok before we arrived it will go back to being ok if we left.

If we are the pinnacle of society, why do we all have to agree? And why aren't we out socializing?

Too bad you can't accept rational logic and valid arguments. However you are entitled to your opinion ofcourse, don't get me wrong. But since you do nothing but contribute onvalid and offtopic arguments I'm afraid you have no place in this thread.

Or anywhere else on the internet...

 

[omega 616]

Too bad you can't accept rational logic and valid arguments. However you are entitled to your opinion ofcourse, don't get me wrong. But since you do nothing but contribute onvalid and offtopic arguments I'm afraid you have no place in this thread.

Or anywhere else on the internet...

Rational logic? Seriously?

You have just said You have the right to kill it and eat it 'cos you have the "skills" to do so, so I asked what it applies to.

You basically ignored everything I said and responded with "your off topic and your points are invalid", sounds more like "I can't think of anything to come back with so I will just throw this at him"

Did you just try and police the Internet?

If I was off topic, I would be talking about duck hunt for the NES, or something like "

Oh, i hunt. MHFU.

HR9, 10 sets of rare 10 armor, countless weapons, mostly rare 10, me and my team (Team HWA) are rocking the game world. next up: MHFU videos on youtube, it think. watch this space. (well, watch youtube)

"

Now lets stop this before it descends any further, mmmkay?

 

[Red Bomb]

I ride horses and therfore go on drag hunts (it's when the foxes scent gets laid and the hounds follow it). Its not about killing any animal, if that did happen I would NOT participate.
For me personally it's about riding across the countryside at full pelt having fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Zorg Machine]

The problem with humans is we see this planet as ours, to control and govern everything on it and in it, we dominate everything, taking over massive amounts land, polluting the water and air so if any population needs to be controlled it's humans, last time I checked there were 6.8 billion of us, we can stand to lose a few.

People think bear baiting is entertaining, should we carry on doing that? Peado's enjoy having sex with children should we let them carry on with that? Extreme cases but your saying killing is fun, would you be having fun if you were on the other end of the gun?

(I am not advocating paedophilia in anyway)

so are you saying we should start killing of some humans? I don't see any volunteers so I guess we should just decide a number per country and let the hunters thin the numbers as we do with animals. I added the "it's fun" because I didn't want to pretend that hunters go out under a sad fanfare and cry over the dead animals. however, (in sweden at least) hunting is necessary as it can save entire species from near extinction and prevent the devastation of forests and the like due to overpopulation. unless we kill of part of the human population, live in shacks and move out of the way when animals need more space then hunting will be necessary in many areas around the world.

 

[Julianking93]

I don't see the fun in killing something unless its one of these assholes:

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[omega 616]

The problem with humans is we see this planet as ours, to control and govern everything on it and in it, we dominate everything, taking over massive amounts land, polluting the water and air so if any population needs to be controlled it's humans, last time I checked there were 6.8 billion of us, we can stand to lose a few.

People think bear baiting is entertaining, should we carry on doing that? Peado's enjoy having sex with children should we let them carry on with that? Extreme cases but your saying killing is fun, would you be having fun if you were on the other end of the gun?

(I am not advocating paedophilia in anyway)

so are you saying we should start killing of some humans? I don't see any volunteers so I guess we should just decide a number per country and let the hunters thin the numbers as we do with animals. I added the "it's fun" because I didn't want to pretend that hunters go out under a sad fanfare and cry over the dead animals. however, (in sweden at least) hunting is necessary as it can save entire species from near extinction and prevent the devastation of forests and the like due to overpopulation. unless we kill of part of the human population, live in shacks and move out of the way when animals need more space then hunting will be necessary in many areas around the world.

Yeah, we can start by killing the bottom 10% of each country, by IQ or contribution to the country. The world would be perfect after awhile ... who thinks I am joking?

I will go back to it again, survival of the fittest, let it work it's magic, if the panda doesn't want to have cubs let them die out.

Don't think we dominate enough land as it is? Barring insects and plant life, we out number just about every other living thing.

The animals have just as much right to be here as us but when they attack us, they get bad publicity and the offending creature killed, take sharks and bears for example.

We attack them constantly, whether it be deforestation, actively hunting them for fun or food, destroying sea life by dumping any manner of crap in the oceans or creating smog in big cities, as well the global warming issues.

Were hunting animals even when we don't mean to, mankind as a whole is a cancer/parasite on the earth, we take and take and take whereas the animals are symbiont with the earth, a plant grows, an animal eats it, that animal gets eaten, the carnivore fertilizes the ground for new plants to grow.

So all in all I think hunting is wrong.

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

Yes, yes you are all very funny to joke about hunting in games and such.

Yes I hunt. I've legally hunted since I was 12, but when I was little I would go with my father and just watch.

Here in western Pennsylvania I hunt bucks, doe, turkeys, grouse, coyotes and foxes. In the future I plan to hunt black bears, small game and more. I do hunt crows, but here there is no crow season, you can shoot as many as you want on the weekends because they're a pest.

I'll just list all the firearms I hunt with. I do have other stuff like Beretta pistols, but I don't hunt with them. Where I live, you can't hunt with auto or semi auto weapons. Only stuff like bolt action, lever action, pump action, hinge action etc...

Savage .30-06 (Deer, here there is a rifle season and a muzzleloader season.)
Remington .270 (Deer)
Savage .17 HMR (Turkeys, grouse, small game)
Remington .22 (Crows, small game)
Remington 12 gauge (Turkeys, grouse)
Double barrel 20 gauge. I have no idea about the brand. It has seen many generations in my family.

Why is everyone so against hunting? I don't know anyone who hunts to feel manly, to get trophies or just to kill. Non-hunters have no idea what a cool and amazing experience it is to hunt an animal and eat it with your family. I personally enjoy being in the woods, seeing the outdoors and being close to wildlife. That's the best part about it, and every hunter I know would say the same. I don't think you people realise what hunting is like. We don't just go outside and shoot an animal. We wake up at 4:00 AM and go into the freezing woods, staying in one spot the ENTIRE DAY until dusk and most of the time don't even see anything. We spend a loooot of hours hunting. And there's nothing inhumane about it. Where I live, hunting helps the population because there are too many "critters" running about, causing accidents and destroying crops. We are taught to aim for the spot with the quickest kill and least amount of pain.

 

[Zorg Machine]

so are you saying we should start killing of some humans? I don't see any volunteers so I guess we should just decide a number per country and let the hunters thin the numbers as we do with animals. I added the "it's fun" because I didn't want to pretend that hunters go out under a sad fanfare and cry over the dead animals. however, (in sweden at least) hunting is necessary as it can save entire species from near extinction and prevent the devastation of forests and the like due to overpopulation. unless we kill of part of the human population, live in shacks and move out of the way when animals need more space then hunting will be necessary in many areas around the world.

Yeah, we can start by killing the bottom 10% of each country, by IQ or contribution to the country. The world would be perfect after awhile ... who thinks I am joking?

I will go back to it again, survival of the fittest, let it work it's magic, if the panda doesn't want to have cubs let them die out.

Don't think we dominate enough land as it is? Barring insects and plant life, we out number just about every other living thing.

The animals have just as much right to be here as us but when they attack us, they get bad publicity and the offending creature killed, take sharks and bears for example.

We attack them constantly, whether it be deforestation, actively hunting them for fun or food, destroying sea life by dumping any manner of crap in the oceans or creating smog in big cities, as well the global warming issues.

Were hunting animals even when we don't mean to, mankind as a whole is a cancer/parasite on the earth, we take and take and take whereas the animals are symbiont with the earth, a plant grows, an animal eats it, that animal gets eaten, the carnivore fertilizes the ground for new plants to grow.

So all in all I think hunting is wrong.

(slightly off topic)the hunting of bears increase the number of bears because about 80% of bears shot are lone male bears who would otherwise find a female and (if the female has cubs) kill it's cubs so the female would mate with the male bear.

(on topic again) so should we stop the hunting? even if it would cause enormous damage to the animals, humans and the land? Humans are constantly messing up the eco system and if we just say that we should leave nature to nature then the damage we cause just by being here will cause suffering on all parts. however if we try to correct the damage we are causing by controlling animal populations i.e. hunting animals that have too large populations and refraining from hunting and hunting the predators of animals going extinct.

 

[AngloDoom]

I'd only hunt if I was going to use pretty much all of the animal. Even then I'd choose the most painless method of killing available. Hunting for sport I consider distasteful; I'd even prefer it if people were killing because it's cheaper than buying the meat at the shops. I hate seeing animals in pain, and knowing I caused it makes me feel distressed.

 

[One More Frag]

Yes, yes you are all very funny to joke about hunting in games and such.

Yes I hunt. I've legally hunted since I was 12, but when I was little I would go with my father and just watch.

Here in western Pennsylvania I hunt bucks, doe, turkeys, grouse, coyotes and foxes. In the future I plan to hunt black bears, small game and more. I do hunt crows, but here there is no crow season, you can shoot as many as you want on the weekends because they're a pest.

I'll just list all the firearms I hunt with. I do have other stuff like Beretta pistols, but I don't hunt with them. Where I live, you can't hunt with auto or semi auto weapons. Only stuff like bolt action, lever action, pump action, hinge action etc...

Savage .30-06 (Deer, here there is a rifle season and a muzzleloader season.)
Remington .270 (Deer)
Savage .17 HMR (Turkeys, grouse, small game)
Remington .22 (Crows, small game)
Remington 12 gauge (Turkeys, grouse)
Double barrel 20 gauge. I have no idea about the brand. It has seen many generations in my family.

Why is everyone so against hunting? I don't know anyone who hunts to feel manly, to get trophies or just to kill. Non-hunters have no idea what a cool and amazing experience it is to hunt an animal and eat it with your family. I personally enjoy being in the woods, seeing the outdoors and being close to wildlife. That's the best part about it, and every hunter I know would say the same. I don't think you people realise what hunting is like. We don't just go outside and shoot an animal. We wake up at 4:00 AM and go into the freezing woods, staying in one spot the ENTIRE DAY until dusk and most of the time don't even see anything. We spend a loooot of hours hunting. And there's nothing inhumane about it. Where I live, hunting helps the population because there are too many "critters" running about, causing accidents and destroying crops. We are taught to aim for the spot with the quickest kill and least amount of pain.

You've just summarised everything i loved and wanted to argument about hunting.

also: Remington 12 gauge (Turkeys, grouse) same gun!

 

[One More Frag]

Too bad you can't accept rational logic and valid arguments. However you are entitled to your opinion ofcourse, don't get me wrong. But since you do nothing but contribute onvalid and offtopic arguments I'm afraid you have no place in this thread.

Or anywhere else on the internet...

Rational logic? Seriously?

You have just said You have the right to kill it and eat it 'cos you have the "skills" to do so, so I asked what it applies to.

You basically ignored everything I said and responded with "your off topic and your points are invalid", sounds more like "I can't think of anything to come back with so I will just throw this at him"

Did you just try and police the Internet?

If I was off topic, I would be talking about duck hunt for the NES, or something like "

Oh, i hunt. MHFU.

HR9, 10 sets of rare 10 armor, countless weapons, mostly rare 10, me and my team (Team HWA) are rocking the game world. next up: MHFU videos on youtube, it think. watch this space. (well, watch youtube)

"

Now lets stop this before it descends any further, mmmkay?

How are comparing hunting to reduce the species to control population to genocide and the entertainment of the hunt to pedophilia valid arguments?