Poll: The 'Real' Man Debate

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FaceFaceFace

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There's no such thing as a "real" man. Every man is a man, and every man is different. There's nothing less "real" or man-like about you than someone who doesn't care about their appearance.
 

Zeraki

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The only thing that makes a man a 'real man' is their gender itself. Other than that, it's all just society pushing its preconceived BS on people who refuse to conform to the 'norm'.


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Hyena Slade said:
What is a real man?
A miserable little pile of secrets.
Now I've got the sudden urge to go play Symphony of The Night.
 

BeeGeenie

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Basic hygiene is a good thing.

Beyond that, just do whatever.

Ancient Romans, Egyptians and Enlightenment Era Europeans shaved and wore makeup to prove how "civilized" they were, but other early ancient civilizations, and Medieval Europeans thought the size of a man's beard was a sign of manliness.

So, pretty much the debate has been going on since the beginning of recorded history, and fashions swing back and forth.

Feel free to honor the ancient tradition of wearing eyeliner, while I honor the ancient tradition of having facial hair.

Go team.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
Real men have a dick and balls. Biology folks.
The scientific definition of a man is having a Y chromosome.
Even if you're castrated, scientifically you're still a man.
 

Easton Dark

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Men shouldn't shave? Uh... beards kind of get in the way of a lot of stuff. Like eating.

Make-up is too much for me. I don't care enough I guess?
 

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ForgottenPr0digy said:
I think real men should groom themselves and keep a nice look when needed. Even if your a rocker you still need to look and smell nice to pick up chicks

EDIT:and seeing how your avatar is a furry emo character I can see why you're mother thinks you're a "girly" man
I agree on both counts.

Personally I don't groom myself too much. I wash my hair, shave when I get annoyed with the crappy stubble that refuses to grow into a proper beard and wear clothes that make me feel comfortable (a pair of jeans and a t-shirt). I use deodourant, and occasionally body spray if I'm going somewhere I might reasonably expect to be in very close proximity to girls (say if I'm dancing in a club or bar).

Personally, my idea of a real man is a man who doesn't give a fuck what others think about him. He does what he wants, dresses the way he wants and really couldn't care less what you think of that.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
No man can comfortably wear skinny fitting jeans.

It's just not possible :D
Now to take the semi-sarcastic jibe as non-sarcastic. What if they are baggy on you? I end up having to wear "skinny fit" to get a nice fit.''

Also, OP seems a bit judgmental with his post. It sounds like he's saying that men that have facial hair and do not wear makeup don't care about their looks. Guys with beards care. Why do you think they trim them and don't end up looking like a warlock?
 

Marcus Kehoe

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A real man should first worry about being able to do everything he needs in his clothing, looking good should come after that.

Facial hair should be kept clean looking, even if its a beard keep it clean.
 

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Hyena Slade said:
Recently I have been in a debate with family and friends over how men should/shouldn't act/dress. This mainly started with my family when I started dying/straitening my hair and focusing more on my appearance. Now the official debate started when my mom found out (through conversations) I wore eyeliner and shaved most of my body hair. She started saying how 'real' men shouldn't shave and should not wear make-up.

So I suppose my question is, do 'real' men care about their looks, or do they not? What are your thoughts and opinions on this?
I had this problem with my mother as well. When she started to realise her son wasn't like all the other boys out there, she started to bring up the subject and harass me about it. My Grandmother would see me and say how my jewelry was girly or my hair was too feminine and only girls shave their body.

Everyone cares about their looks. Those tough jocks that wear letterman jackets and focus on muscles and women care about thier looks just as much as a transgendered male cares about how their hair looks.

I think a 'real' man is someone that cares about what is on the inside of someone else, and desires to look however they want without fear of what the cold public eye thinks of them.

My advice would be to ignore your mothers close-minded and old way of thinking and just be you.
 

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'Real man' talk is just sexist shaming language used to reinforce traditionalist social roles. No one who uses such slurs is worth listening to.

Do you identify as male, OP? If so, then congratulations, you're a real man.
 

SidheKnight

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"Real" men don't care what other people think.

Actually, this applies to all people. Real women don't care about public opinion either.
 

irishmanwithagun

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"Real men" should be who they really are and be comfortable with themselves, including their appearance.
Wolverine18 said:
Hyena Slade said:
Recently I have been in a debate with family and friends over how men should/shouldn't act/dress. This mainly started with my family when I started dying/straitening my hair and focusing more on my appearance. Now the official debate started when my mom found out (through conversations) I wore eyeliner and shaved most of my body hair. She started saying how 'real' men shouldn't shave and should not wear make-up.

So I suppose my question is, do 'real' men care about their looks, or do they not? What are your thoughts and opinions on this?
Answering in general first... You have the wrong question.

Yes, men should care about their looks.

However, making yourself look more like a girl is not the way a "real man" would take care of his looks. A man should be trying to look more masculine, not more feminine.

Now the exception to this rule is if you are gay/bi. If you are also looking to attract men then it may be totally appropriate and manly to make yourself look more feminine as many gay men are attracted to fem guys.

To the specifics of your case, I think eyeliner looks stupid on men, but then I don't like a lot on women either. Certainly in THIS culture eyeliner is for women, but that has changed over time (in ancient egypt for example men wore it). It's sort of like the kilt/skirt thing, what is feminine depends on the culture, and culture does change.

Shaving your body hair. Sorry, that's VERY feminine. Women have less and finer body hair then men naturally. You are excentuating a female attribute and thus you look more feminine. Yes, people can link big body builders with no chest hair, still makes you look more feminine than you otherwise would, especially if you don't have HUGE muscles that you are trying to display.
I think you'll find homosexual preferences in men to be as various in men as they are with heterosexual preferences in women.

I'd say that a "real man" would do what they feel comfortable doing. If they like maintaining their appearance then they should do that, if they don't then they shouldn't, it's a massively complicated issue that affects all of us so why do people have to make such a big deal about this?
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
Souplex said:
Evil Smurf said:
Real men have a dick and balls. Biology folks.
The scientific definition of a man is having a Y chromosome.
Even if you're castrated, scientifically you're still a man.
What if you have two Y chromosomes?
Men with an extra Y chromosome (XYY syndrome) are still just men.

People with other chromosomal syndromes (klinefelter's/XXY syndrome) are also usually considered male as long as they have at least one Y chromosome.

There's also Swyer syndrome in which one X chromosome is incomplete, resulting in essentially an XY female; but that's an abnormal x chromosome, not a true y chromosome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system
 

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Hyena Slade said:
Recently I have been in a debate with family and friends over how men should/shouldn't act/dress. This mainly started with my family when I started dying/straitening my hair and focusing more on my appearance. Now the official debate started when my mom found out (through conversations) I wore eyeliner and shaved most of my body hair. She started saying how 'real' men shouldn't shave and should not wear make-up.

So I suppose my question is, do 'real' men care about their looks, or do they not? What are your thoughts and opinions on this?
I'm quite curious as to how'd she react if you told her you were a brony? (I am NOT saying that you are) Anyways, a grown man can do whatever he wants so long as no one gets physically or seriously mentally hurt from it. If make-up floats your boat, wear your freakin' make-up.