Poll: The use of '******' in Yahtzee videos

[instantbenz]

the votes are in and 69 people do ... wait did that offend anyone? sorry, don't want to upset the overly-sensitive here or anywhere on the internet ... that would be just terrible.

the internet takes thick skin especially a forum ... post something that someone doesn't like and u get flamed or trolled ... deal with it. people use language that is offensive are you going to change everyone that does? doubtful

 

[Andrew Bohan]

Well, you are likewise pissing me off. Because of your density.

1)For you to say "there is a massive difference between what gay people have been through and what black people went through" is actually moronic. And offensive. And completely disrespectful.

Discrimination is discrimination. It doesn't have degrees of severity. There isn't any "equal" or "less valid" discrimination. It's all WRONG.

And really, is there a major difference between being enslaved as a group, and then just outright being sought for and KILLED? Throughout history, and up through today's times? I don't really think so. But, that's beside the point. Because, there aren't any comparisons here being made. There isn't any competition being made. Wrong is wrong. I can't believe you would even go as far as to essentially say "their issue is less important because they haven't really been through it tough." That's just really fucking wrong.


2)There are no gay jokes anymore, huh? They may have declined in stature, but they still exist. Yeah...................heard of the movie The Dilemma? That movie went as far as saying (paraphrasing) "That's a gay car, no real men would ever drive such an unmanly, girly car." Did you not know of that entire firestorm? Ron Howard directed the movie, and kept the line in the script, and most people approved of this. It is STILL OK to use gay people as a punching bag, the only difference is that there are consequences for it, the way things should be.

To say comedians "don't act like gay men", I never said that. I said many use gay men in their acts as punchlines. And you say that's because some gay men debase themselves to be famous, and act outlandish and ridiculous. Yeah...............right. Who are those gay men, again? Neil Patrick Harris? Stephen Fry? Or is it just a stereotype and assumption that all gay men are flamboyant queens. Just yesterday I heard jokes made about Rosie O'Donnell. Why are gay/lesbian people still defined by their sexuality? That's the reality of the situation. Gay is still GAY!!!!11!!! to a lot of people.

There is still homophobia in the UK. Insecurity of homosexuality is a personal thing, that is exacerbated by society, but not the sole cause of it. Gay/lesbian relationships are still classified as civil partnerships, and not marriage.

3)Are you serious in thinking ****** is not used against white people? Don't act like a ******. Don't hang with niggers. Don't be a ******. It's even implied with WIGGER, meaning, a white ******, which is a pretty popular term. I see this on YOUTUBE all the time. Wigger/****** are used by kids a lot. I live in southern USA, Richmond Virginia, capital of the confederacy. ****** isn't even necessary used against black individuals anymore in the way you think it is. It's basically used as an act. Don't ACT like a ******. That is the same thing with ******. Don't BE a ******, don't act like a ******. It's the same shit. But, you do live in the UK, so these terms and the way they are used may be foreign to you. It's a reality, it isn't a myth being blown out of proportion.

4)The UK is one of the best and really only places in the world where LGBT citizens have equality and are generally free from discrimination and hatred. But even there, there is still discrimination. It still exists. Homophobia is extremely prevalent worldwide. Most countries do not grant full equality to LGBT citizens. Most people are homophobic due to sexuality issues, or because of brainwashing, usually from those with sexuality issues. Something like 72 countries have policies against homosexuality.

Homophobia is real. And you don't do any favors in preventing it, and making the world a better place for your gay friends and LGBT citizens worldwide, by trivializing the depths of it.

Eugh. Too much shit to sift through.

I'm going to simplify everything.

1)There is a massive difference. Argue all you want. Doesn't change anything, I'm not saying what happened to homosexuals is in anyway excusable. And I've already told you I have arguments with anyone who is in actual fact a homophobe. Saying ****** doesn't make you one I'm afraid.

2) I didn't say they don't exist. I said they aren't the 'go to' joke that you assume they are. Gay jokes are pretty much out of fashion now.

3) Fair enough. Not something I've ever come across. But it does sound like something that would be said. I still say there is the difference because they use it to imply black people are less than human. Most people who say fag don't imply anything to do with gayness. Just as a base insult.

4) The UK isn't the best. Yes intolerance still happens. But that's life. Humans are intolerant. Simple as. Doesn't excuse it. Although it does explain it. And there are plenty of countries far better than even the UK with acceptance of homosexuality. Scandinavian countries for example. It's pretty much a none issue in those.

1)I never said using the word ****** makes you a homophobe. It does make you insensitive if you use it, knowing the pain it causes gay men worldwide, and not caring. But, sorry, there isn't a "massive difference" other than a difference of EVENTS. In terms of discrimination, it's all wrong. There isn't any argument, and yes, you are implying that anti-gay discrimination is of less value because it's lesser discriminatory. Hate is hate, none of it is any worse or better than the rest.

2)Gay jokes are not out of fashion at all, not in my existence. There are fewer than before, but they still do continue. And gay/lesbian people are still mocked, with stereotypes of them used against them. The show "Modern Family" with the two extremely flamboyant gays are basically a running stereotype. Stereotypes against gay/lesbian people are used for heterosexual enjoyment. It's OK if it happens less; the fact it happens at all is the bigger issue.

3)Fag is used as a base insult because homosexuality is considered an insult to many.

4)The UK is really one of the best countries, not the best, but right up there. The Netherlands is generally considered the best, but that isn't true anymore, because of Muslims. Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc. are generally good, but not OVERLY gay accepting either. There isn't any country where homosexuality is really accepted. It's beyond tolerated, but it's not really accepted anywhere. Humans are intolerant, but that doesn't really explain. The problem is the threat/fear people feel of difference. That's learned. And we all need to do our part to change that.

I'm gonna pick you off on point 2 right there. Redneck jokes are fine when it's an archetype applied for humor. Black people get it in quite a few shows too. Alot, and I mean ALOT, of groups are subject to this so as a bisexual if I can't see why the GLBT community should be any different then explain why you do? After all surely EVERYTHING is ok to joke about or nothing is.

There is a difference between joking about something, and making a joke of something.

I wouldn't say there is. It's all humor at the end of the day. Yes, joking about the stereotypes of sexuality. How is that making a joke of being homosexual in general. It's also generally taking the piss out of typical "family values" arguments. That show in general shows how you don't need to be your standard cut and paste family to be a good one. Bit like how The Middle takes the sheer and utter piss out of the bible belt and middle america. I'm failing to see the point you're driving at here. I don't see how joking about stereotypes belittles an entire sexuality. They're stereotypes. No-one thinks all gay people mince around and act like camp ring-leaders. If they do the whole point of humor is pretty lost on them to begin with.

 

[101flyboy]

1)I never said using the word ****** makes you a homophobe. It does make you insensitive if you use it, knowing the pain it causes gay men worldwide, and not caring. But, sorry, there isn't a "massive difference" other than a difference of EVENTS. In terms of discrimination, it's all wrong. There isn't any argument, and yes, you are implying that anti-gay discrimination is of less value because it's lesser discriminatory. Hate is hate, none of it is any worse or better than the rest.

2)Gay jokes are not out of fashion at all, not in my existence. There are fewer than before, but they still do continue. And gay/lesbian people are still mocked, with stereotypes of them used against them. The show "Modern Family" with the two extremely flamboyant gays are basically a running stereotype. Stereotypes against gay/lesbian people are used for heterosexual enjoyment. It's OK if it happens less; the fact it happens at all is the bigger issue.

3)Fag is used as a base insult because homosexuality is considered an insult to many.

4)The UK is really one of the best countries, not the best, but right up there. The Netherlands is generally considered the best, but that isn't true any-more, because of Muslims. Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc. are generally good, but not OVERLY gay accepting either. There isn't any country where homosexuality is really accepted. It's beyond tolerated, but it's not really accepted anywhere. Humans are intolerant, but that doesn't really explain. The problem is the threat/fear people feel of difference. That's learned. And we all need to do our part to change that.

1)I'm saying that using ****** as an insult isn't discrimination. People don't use it to imply being gay is wrong. They use it as a random insult. That's the difference.
2)Some shows still have archetypes. But everything is built on archetypes. There's more offensive ones than those still in use.
3)I use it as an insult in-spite of that connotation.
4)Agreed on most of that... But I feel the need to point out that you made a judgemental stereotype yourself.

The Netherlands is generally considered the best, but that isn't true any-more, because of Muslims.

And I'm saying it still is used as a gay insult, and it still is used to imply homosexuality is wrong, because the word is still used against gay men, and straight men, as a way to make them feel lesser. And the reason the word is so popular is because it's homophobia is entrenched into the world so deeply, that an insult with DIRECT gay connections is just a normal thing, because being homophobic is a normal thing. The REASON the word is popular is BECAUSE of homophobia, whether people use it in a homophobic way or not.

Oh, and no, I didn't say anything judgmental, what I said was true. Muslims and Africans have been immigrating to countries like the Netherlands, and thus, these countries have seen an uprising in hate crimes. Same in Canada. We all know these countries are the most homophobic on Earth, saying the truth isn't judgmental.

 

[Gabanuka]

He also uses "****" no one seems to be making a fuss about that.

 

[Bravo 21]

well half the time im not really sure what hes saying, so it doesn't bother me much

 

[101flyboy]

I'm bisexual and I don't give a fuck.
IT'S JUST A WORD, GET OVER YOURSELVES.

It's more than just a word. Words have meaning. People are judged, most of the time, by their words. Words many times are the one thing we have to explain ourselves or describe particular situations. Without words, what exactly do we have? Fists, but just aimlessly punching someone doesn't have nearly the same power as calling them a ****** while you do it. Facial expressions, but even then, that becomes much more powerful with words attached to them. So no, it's not just a word. It's a reflection of the world.

Hey, I had my nasty coming out experience too man.
Then I got a bit older and realized people are going to be cunts to each other whether you like it or not. I decided to stop indulging these people and their pettiness.
No, I do not personally use the word ****** (however, I am quite fond of calling people niggers, my girlfriend is quite often the target of this one, she is whiter than I am, and I'm pretty damn white,) but it doesn't stop me from believing that I should be able to use it when and where I goddamn like.

Intention is everything. If I were to call you a "dumb ******" (which I wouldn't, I have no beef with you at all man, just to make that clear, I am all about the peace and love and harmony ultimately,) it would not be with some connotation of your sexuality, it's just a word that sounds cool. I use the word "fuck" liberally for the same reasons. You can say "BUT IT'S OFFENSIVE," but percieving it as such would simply be your choice. I care not for the words history or its commonly accepted meaning, whether it has been used to level entire civilizations or used to help paint the mona lisa. I use the word because I like how it sounds.
This is simply down to the individual. If you want ****** to stop being used offensively, then stop believing it's offensive, and it shall no longer be.

Or I could be totally wrong. But eh, don't make me get onto subjective reality, that's dangerous territory man. >;D

I understand your reasoning, thank you for your well thought out post. You're right, in that people have the freedom to say what they are going to say, whether you like it or not, and that yes, ****** isn't always a direct insult on a persons' sexuality, and that people are going to be assholes, and not give a damn.

The one thing I've been trying to get across, isn't even that "The word is offensive, stop using it!", more than, why is it so popular, and why do people use it. I agree intention is everything, but there is a reason why this one word, ******, and that's so gay, why these terms are popular. For me, it bugs me but I get over it quickly, but I wish it were so simple for most people than "it's just a cool word". It's a lot deeper than that, and that's what's frustrating a bit, people don't even care to realize and understand that.

But yeah, it's not going to kill me, it's something I'll have to cringe and bear with forever, I guess.

 

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1. a bundle of sticks, twigs, or branches bound together and used as fuel, a fascine, a torch, etc.
2. a bundle; bunch.
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3. a ball of chopped meat, usually pork liver, bound with herbs and bread and eaten fried
4. a bundle of anything

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slang chiefly ( US ), ( Canadian ) Often shortened to: fag a male homosexual

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Oh would you look at that, it's so bloody offensive, it's an after thought.

 

[101flyboy]

Well, you are likewise pissing me off. Because of your density.

1)For you to say "there is a massive difference between what gay people have been through and what black people went through" is actually moronic. And offensive. And completely disrespectful.

Discrimination is discrimination. It doesn't have degrees of severity. There isn't any "equal" or "less valid" discrimination. It's all WRONG.

And really, is there a major difference between being enslaved as a group, and then just outright being sought for and KILLED? Throughout history, and up through today's times? I don't really think so. But, that's beside the point. Because, there aren't any comparisons here being made. There isn't any competition being made. Wrong is wrong. I can't believe you would even go as far as to essentially say "their issue is less important because they haven't really been through it tough." That's just really fucking wrong.


2)There are no gay jokes anymore, huh? They may have declined in stature, but they still exist. Yeah...................heard of the movie The Dilemma? That movie went as far as saying (paraphrasing) "That's a gay car, no real men would ever drive such an unmanly, girly car." Did you not know of that entire firestorm? Ron Howard directed the movie, and kept the line in the script, and most people approved of this. It is STILL OK to use gay people as a punching bag, the only difference is that there are consequences for it, the way things should be.

To say comedians "don't act like gay men", I never said that. I said many use gay men in their acts as punchlines. And you say that's because some gay men debase themselves to be famous, and act outlandish and ridiculous. Yeah...............right. Who are those gay men, again? Neil Patrick Harris? Stephen Fry? Or is it just a stereotype and assumption that all gay men are flamboyant queens. Just yesterday I heard jokes made about Rosie O'Donnell. Why are gay/lesbian people still defined by their sexuality? That's the reality of the situation. Gay is still GAY!!!!11!!! to a lot of people.

There is still homophobia in the UK. Insecurity of homosexuality is a personal thing, that is exacerbated by society, but not the sole cause of it. Gay/lesbian relationships are still classified as civil partnerships, and not marriage.

3)Are you serious in thinking ****** is not used against white people? Don't act like a ******. Don't hang with niggers. Don't be a ******. It's even implied with WIGGER, meaning, a white ******, which is a pretty popular term. I see this on YOUTUBE all the time. Wigger/****** are used by kids a lot. I live in southern USA, Richmond Virginia, capital of the confederacy. ****** isn't even necessary used against black individuals anymore in the way you think it is. It's basically used as an act. Don't ACT like a ******. That is the same thing with ******. Don't BE a ******, don't act like a ******. It's the same shit. But, you do live in the UK, so these terms and the way they are used may be foreign to you. It's a reality, it isn't a myth being blown out of proportion.

4)The UK is one of the best and really only places in the world where LGBT citizens have equality and are generally free from discrimination and hatred. But even there, there is still discrimination. It still exists. Homophobia is extremely prevalent worldwide. Most countries do not grant full equality to LGBT citizens. Most people are homophobic due to sexuality issues, or because of brainwashing, usually from those with sexuality issues. Something like 72 countries have policies against homosexuality.

Homophobia is real. And you don't do any favors in preventing it, and making the world a better place for your gay friends and LGBT citizens worldwide, by trivializing the depths of it.

Eugh. Too much shit to sift through.

I'm going to simplify everything.

1)There is a massive difference. Argue all you want. Doesn't change anything, I'm not saying what happened to homosexuals is in anyway excusable. And I've already told you I have arguments with anyone who is in actual fact a homophobe. Saying ****** doesn't make you one I'm afraid.

2) I didn't say they don't exist. I said they aren't the 'go to' joke that you assume they are. Gay jokes are pretty much out of fashion now.

3) Fair enough. Not something I've ever come across. But it does sound like something that would be said. I still say there is the difference because they use it to imply black people are less than human. Most people who say fag don't imply anything to do with gayness. Just as a base insult.

4) The UK isn't the best. Yes intolerance still happens. But that's life. Humans are intolerant. Simple as. Doesn't excuse it. Although it does explain it. And there are plenty of countries far better than even the UK with acceptance of homosexuality. Scandinavian countries for example. It's pretty much a none issue in those.

1)I never said using the word ****** makes you a homophobe. It does make you insensitive if you use it, knowing the pain it causes gay men worldwide, and not caring. But, sorry, there isn't a "massive difference" other than a difference of EVENTS. In terms of discrimination, it's all wrong. There isn't any argument, and yes, you are implying that anti-gay discrimination is of less value because it's lesser discriminatory. Hate is hate, none of it is any worse or better than the rest.

2)Gay jokes are not out of fashion at all, not in my existence. There are fewer than before, but they still do continue. And gay/lesbian people are still mocked, with stereotypes of them used against them. The show "Modern Family" with the two extremely flamboyant gays are basically a running stereotype. Stereotypes against gay/lesbian people are used for heterosexual enjoyment. It's OK if it happens less; the fact it happens at all is the bigger issue.

3)Fag is used as a base insult because homosexuality is considered an insult to many.

4)The UK is really one of the best countries, not the best, but right up there. The Netherlands is generally considered the best, but that isn't true anymore, because of Muslims. Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc. are generally good, but not OVERLY gay accepting either. There isn't any country where homosexuality is really accepted. It's beyond tolerated, but it's not really accepted anywhere. Humans are intolerant, but that doesn't really explain. The problem is the threat/fear people feel of difference. That's learned. And we all need to do our part to change that.

I'm gonna pick you off on point 2 right there. Redneck jokes are fine when it's an archetype applied for humor. Black people get it in quite a few shows too. Alot, and I mean ALOT, of groups are subject to this so as a bisexual if I can't see why the GLBT community should be any different then explain why you do? After all surely EVERYTHING is ok to joke about or nothing is.

There is a difference between joking about something, and making a joke of something.

I wouldn't say there is. It's all humor at the end of the day. Yes, joking about the stereotypes of sexuality. How is that making a joke of being homosexual in general. It's also generally taking the piss out of typical "family values" arguments. That show in general shows how you don't need to be your standard cut and paste family to be a good one. Bit like how The Middle takes the sheer and utter piss out of the bible belt and middle america. I'm failing to see the point you're driving at here. I don't see how joking about stereotypes belittles an entire sexuality. They're stereotypes. No-one thinks all gay people mince around and act like camp ring-leaders. If they do the whole point of humor is pretty lost on them to begin with.

There is a HUGE difference between joking about something, and making a joke of something. People joke about.............the stereotypes that black individuals like chicken, or make big meals for holidays. You'll hear black comedians joke about that, about the family, Pookie or Shenaynay, all that. George Lopez will joke about Latinos, but see, he's not making a joke of Latinos by essentially sub-humanizing them.

Then, jokes about gay/lesbian folk. Most of them are reduced to "faggots are flamers" "all those gay men are whores who suck millions of penises" and "Rosie O'Donnell is more of a man than I am (which I heard from a comedian just about 4 days ago). Most "jokes" when it comes to LGBT people aren't jokes. I'm not gay and I realize this. They are put downs against gay citizens.

I agree that Modern Family tries to make an example that "different" couples can be families in their own eccentric ways. Still, it's an overtly flaming gay couple. Easily, we could see two regular masculine guys. Why don't we? Because it's funny to use the flamer stereotype for the enjoyment of the heterosexual viewers. Because flamers are entertaining in how big of fags they are. It's not about joking about stereotypes, it is classifying a stereotype towards an entire group of people and then using them as a punchline. There are no NORMAL gay/lesbian couples on TV, just caricatures. There are TV shows that revolve around black families, latino families, teenage moms even, and they are presented in a regular, every day person light, not just obnoxiously. If you think that is all because they are "joking about stereotypes", then I think the whole driving force behind that is lost on you.

 

[101flyboy]

In my experience the word "******" can equally be referring to a homosexual or to a person who lacks manliness.

*facepalm* Because those two meanings are joined at the hip or anything.
Honestly, this is what I'm talking about. If someone can say this with a straight face, that's probably a good indication of why people are constantly asking "Can I say the word yet? Can I? Can I? Can I? Pleeeeease?"

I know, it's just shocking to me how little some people...............just get it.

Anyway, to explain to those that don't, and have said "****** is generally used to denote a lack of manliness", that is the ENTIRE point. That faggots lack manliness. Faggots aren't real men. They're bitches. They're poofs. This is ALL connected to gay men. When that's so gay is used to mean lame, stupid, and weak. That is ALL connected to gay men, and that being gay is stupid or lame (ie. mentally disordered/challenged).

It's like many people here don't even recognize just how much homophobia exists. Many of you may have your hearts in the right place, but have become numb to homophobia and therefore are ignorant in understanding the depths of it.

Perhaps me saying "lack of manliness" misrepresented MY point. Not everything has it's roots is some kind of persecution. In today's society the meaning of any word is defined by the context and peer group it is used in. It is simply ridiculous to say that "******" is always something to do with homosexuality.
In my personal experience, calling a person a ******/fag is suggesting they are submissive, not gay.
I really do think that, in trying to convey the extent of homophobia, you are exaggerating the true state of things. Also you saying I am ignorant to the depths of homophobia is a bit of an assumption to make. I am, after all, a relatively intelligent member of society and am capable of observing the behaviour of people around me.

****** is a word that has been used against gay men since the European inquisition. Yes, it's roots are connected to gay men. I didn't say ****** is always used specifically against gay men. The word is homophobic in itself. Fag="submissive" is directly connected to gay men, whether it's conscious or subconscious, it fits the stereotype that gay men are all weak. And, the word is still used against gay men, implying exactly this thing. It's like the main reason the word exists.

I'm definitely not exaggerating the true extent of homophobia. Homophobia is real. Why can't gay couples walk hand and hand down the street without fear in most places? Why do gay couples get punted from B&Bs? Hell, why are there still such a demand for gay bars and gay establishments? Because of homophobia.

I didn't call you specifically ignorant, but that a lot of people in general, who say homophobia doesn't exist in great numbers, or that ****** doesn't have a direct link to homophobia, don't truly get exactly what the fuss is all about. That this issue is much deeper than ****** just being a generic word, or all homophobes being sexually confused (many/most are, but not all). It's way deeper than anyone understands unless you live through it, or you are close to people who do.

 

[101flyboy]

I like this fly-boy's fire. He has a certain jeh neh say kwah.

He has a point though. You know what it means. I know what it means.
It doesn't mean "retard" or "douchebag" like some are claiming. Yes, on 4chan, it basically means "person", but when it's used in any other context, it means "sissy, not unlike a mincing fairy". People call one another it over multiplayer games to directly attack the other person's masculinity. This isn't a secret.

And it ain't your job to "reclaim"/"normalize" it for them, so sit back and wait it out. You still have quite a backlog of words you "can't" use without getting pre-approval so it might take a bit before you get to that one.

Thank you! I'm definitely opinionated. And yes, that's the entire point. Like I said, Yahtzee videos, there is what some would consider offensive language, but he's out there like that, but that's part of what makes him who he is. However, we all know that the word ****** in every day life, is not just a generic word like douchebag. It's a much heavier loaded word with all kinds of negative connontations. It is a word MEANT to cut an individual down and offend. And, it is a word that has a meaning and implied message we all know. How anyone can say it's just a joke word when no-one else it in that fashion is sort of ridiculous.

I've seen lots of people use it in that fashion.

This whole attitude of "it's just a word" stems from people not wanting to address the actual realities of the word and why they use it, and not wanting to care about the feelings of others, all because it makes them think, and we know that's a struggle for many.

You know if you want people to listen to you it helps to not insult them. You come off now as a massive tool.

People may use it like "hey, you stupid ******", but please, is that supposed to be endearing? No. It isn't endearing. It's a negative word, because it has negative connotations. The reason there is a debate in the first place IS because people KNOW it is a word that carries a lot of weight with it. Even if most in society pretend as if it's just a word, it isn't.

It is a word, what matters is context and intent.

Also, as far as me insulting anyone, and me being a tool. Well, I'm not the one using ****** and thinking it's a joke, unless of course it's Yahtzee videos or maybe comedians, where it's part of their gig.

Excuses excuses. You don't get a free pass to act like a jerk because you disagree with people.

. I'm the tool because I don't like using ****** and think it's offensive. Wow.

Don't play dumb, you know that's not what I said.

I haven't acted like a jerk, though, at least I don't think so. I do, however, have a strong opinion on this issue that some may disagree with, but that doesn't mean I'm personally attacking anyone.

Once again, ****** doesn't necessarily have to be used against gay men, and not be not offensive. The word itself is directly linked to gay men. That doesn't change, even if you are using it against a heterosexual person, or a lesbian woman. It's still connected to male homosexuality/homosexuals. The reason the word exists is because of gay men.

 

[MonocleClaire]

I thik it's a Brit thing; it's used to often in reference to cigs that when it's used as an insult, it's just not a big deal anymore.

In general though, I'm just not offended by anything Yahtzee says. After all, this isn't livejournal, where people come at your with torches and pitchforks because you dared to call someone a whiny girl for being *gasp* whiny, and call out every girl who points out that it's not sexist misogynistic.

 

[Slangeveld]

I'm happy with the result of the poll !

 

[ProfessorLayton]

The fact that Yahtzee has used every single swear in the book (including the dreaded "n word"), insulted religion, races, and every single person on Earth and you're offended when he says "******" makes me confused.

Seriously, though. He's paid to be offensive.

 

[Plurralbles]

people will be offended for any reason, if they want to get offended for a word, then they themselves can be characterized as a ******(not usig it as calling them gay in the meanest, most vulgar way possible, but instead using it to make harsher my words, as, "dumbass" doesn't work as well here)

when he says something akin to actually calling out gay people and calling them buttpirates who should be crusified, then you can call me and *****.

 

[101flyboy]

Wow, I didn't have to work too hard to get the heterocentrism out.

I'm actually kind of angry at this, so I'm just going to drop it. Needless to say, I don't think there's a normal thing to do with your penis, it doesn't exactly come with an instruction manual.

I'm not going to apologise for being rational.

Biologically. Homosexuality is an abnormality. Whether it be from something in the brain, spirituality, environmental factors. Whatever. I don't pretend to understand why some people want to fuck fatties, some want twiglets, some like black people, some like women with big feet, some like to cross swords with their own gender.

Just because I don't judge peoples choices doesn't mean that I think they're normal. Sex at it's base form is a means for procreation. Procreation is not possible between partners of the same gender. Not an issue now. With artificial insemination and adoption. But then again humans don't exactly live entirely natural lives now do they.

Yeah, um, if you think sex is purely for procreation, and thus, homosexuality is abnormal (please look up the definition, you don't know it) and unnatural, then no, you are not even remotely rational, and yes, you do have some things you need to address in terms of your true feelings of homosexuals/homosexuality. Because your dismissive and borderline hostile responses are not one of someone who is actually the accepting person you say you are. And the way you try to justify the usage of ****** and that's so gay, while diminishing the fact people are abused with these terms slung at them, does pretty much show you aren't remotely capable of looking at things through the eyes of anyone but yourself.

Rationality is clearly lost on you.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.250147-Poll-The-use-of-******-in-Yahtzee-videos?page=8#9272534

I've explained this to the original poster. I don't need to justify what I mean to you.

But I will tell you that your understanding of the biological history of attraction and indeed it's purpose, are severely lacking.

Sex was not originally for fun. It was for survival. The pleasure we experience during sex is natures way of ensuring we will actively try to seek out mates for this chemical reward.

I explained what I mean in more detail in the post I linked. Go read it.

Sex is not just to procreate. Homosexuality is rampant in nature. So no, sorry, you don't quite have the ducks in a row on this topic. And no, you don't need to justify yourself, but the fact you keep saying "I don't need to justify myself" comes off brattish. Obviously, you do need to continue to justify yourself, which is why you're doing it.

 

[101flyboy]

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Oh, and no, I didn't say anything judgmental, what I said was true. Muslims and Africans have been immigrating to countries like the Netherlands, and thus, these countries have seen an uprising in hate crimes. Same in Canada. We all know these countries are the most homophobic on Earth, saying the truth isn't judgmental.

How can you claim to be so open minded yet chat such shit at the same time?

This didn't even really deserve a reply.

Facts are real.