Poll: The use of '******' in Yahtzee videos

[ElTigreSantiago]

It's part of his sense of humor. He's not trying to be prejudice towards gays. He's just trying to be funny, and it works. If you don't like it, stop watching.

 

[thylasos]

For some reason, whether it's accurate comment or not, I'm just reminded of a story Adrian Edmondson tells about wanting to get a t-shirt, with the custom-printed words thereupon, prompted by some of the heckles he would get at the "Bottom" live shows:

"IT'S IRONY, YOU ****."

 

[Terminal Blue]

Listen. Only an idiot or someone who is very insecure about their sexuality is going to argue against the fact that, biologically sex only serves one purpose.

Really, do you want a list of academic texts?

Seriously, stop being so self righteous. Noone gives a shit what you think sex was 'originally for' or what 'purpose' it serves, as if that has any bearing on anything which actually happens in real life anyway.

Its body parts rubbing on body parts. Get your head out of wherever the hell you've stuck it and learn to be a little more flexible, then maybe you won't need to make grandiose statements of fact on behalf of the entire fucking world.

 

[101flyboy]

Wow, I didn't have to work too hard to get the heterocentrism out.

I'm actually kind of angry at this, so I'm just going to drop it. Needless to say, I don't think there's a normal thing to do with your penis, it doesn't exactly come with an instruction manual.

I'm not going to apologise for being rational.

Biologically. Homosexuality is an abnormality. Whether it be from something in the brain, spirituality, environmental factors. Whatever. I don't pretend to understand why some people want to fuck fatties, some want twiglets, some like black people, some like women with big feet, some like to cross swords with their own gender.

Just because I don't judge peoples choices doesn't mean that I think they're normal. Sex at it's base form is a means for procreation. Procreation is not possible between partners of the same gender. Not an issue now. With artificial insemination and adoption. But then again humans don't exactly live entirely natural lives now do they.

Yeah, um, if you think sex is purely for procreation, and thus, homosexuality is abnormal (please look up the definition, you don't know it) and unnatural, then no, you are not even remotely rational, and yes, you do have some things you need to address in terms of your true feelings of homosexuals/homosexuality. Because your dismissive and borderline hostile responses are not one of someone who is actually the accepting person you say you are. And the way you try to justify the usage of ****** and that's so gay, while diminishing the fact people are abused with these terms slung at them, does pretty much show you aren't remotely capable of looking at things through the eyes of anyone but yourself.

Rationality is clearly lost on you.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.250147-Poll-The-use-of-******-in-Yahtzee-videos?page=8#9272534

I've explained this to the original poster. I don't need to justify what I mean to you.

But I will tell you that your understanding of the biological history of attraction and indeed it's purpose, are severely lacking.

Sex was not originally for fun. It was for survival. The pleasure we experience during sex is natures way of ensuring we will actively try to seek out mates for this chemical reward.

I explained what I mean in more detail in the post I linked. Go read it.

Sex is not just to procreate. Homosexuality is rampant in nature. So no, sorry, you don't quite have the ducks in a row on this topic. And no, you don't need to justify yourself, but the fact you keep saying "I don't need to justify myself" comes off brattish. Obviously, you do need to continue to justify yourself, which is why you're doing it.

What gave you the impression that humans are the only animals to experience this abnormality? The route of sex is most certainly for procreation. Only an absolute idiot would argue otherwise.

The way nature makes creatures procreate is by making it a rewarding experience. Animals find ways to abuse that. Some primates masturbate for example. Homosexuality in animals is usually (though not always) for social dominance (as exhibited in dogs) or from lack of females present. The animal still actively seeks out sexual experience because of the chemical reward.

No matter what you argue, sex's main function is for procreation. The pleasure and connection we feel after it is simply chemical reactions that are geared towards the preservation of our species. The sexual attraction to someone of your own gender is clearly an abnormality in that sense.

I don't know why you're getting all huffed up about that. It's pretty obvious. And no one is de-validating homosexuality by saying it's an abnormality. Humans love to abuse sex. We make it about something other than procreation. That's not why the function exists though.

Listen. Only an idiot or someone who is very insecure about their sexuality is going to argue against the fact that, biologically sex only serves one purpose.

And I only said I don't have to justify myself once. So I didn't keep saying it. :/

You don't know what abnormal means. Being less in numbers doesn't=abnormal. Different isn't abnormal. Heck, in the way you are using it, being "wrong" doesn't make something abnormal. And yeah, you actually are going on and on, in a desperate attempt to justify your views. And basically prove your right, and all in all, act haughty. You come off incredibly pretentious. It's actually so immature at this point that I don't think I should dignify your posts with responses anymore.

Anyway, there isn't an argument, I don't need to argue with you. You act as if some type of burden is on me. Sex is not just for procreation, and to say otherwise shows you to be absolutely clueless. For you to say "animals abuse what sex is, homosexuality in animals is not REALLY homosexuality, it's dominance/masturbation/lack of opposite sex partner, is they SAME shit I ALWAYS hear from people who are trying to make the invalid and illogical point that homosexuality is unnatural. The SAME shit. It's not homosexuality, it's dominance. You have NO idea what you are talking about. It's not just "chemical reward" why you see two fucking male dolphins in life time pairs. It's literally comical how you truly think you sound intelligent. I don't know how many times that statement has been proven wrong by any random low-grade expert on this issue, let alone the National Geographic, which has done stories on this before, which maybe you should look up. You are so fucking wrong, and too arrogant to just chill out and take a step back. You are shouting me down with this snobby ass self-righteous attitude that is disgusting to say the least.

Listen, you implying I'm an idiot and thinking you are somehow above and beyond being wrong doesn't change the fact that, biologically, sex is not just for procreation. There are SEVERAL other benefits of sex outside of procreation. And, you also seem to think that everyone/everything is "supposed" to procreate. Are you kidding? Are you really that ignorant? And I never even said sex is for fun only. And, having sex for fun is NOT abusing sex, it's called having a different view point on what sex means to them.

You have a lot to learn. If you are going to speak on behalf of something, please know what you are talking about.

 

[Swny Nerdgasm]

Could care less about the word, though I have been called a ****** by my flamboyantly gay friend, who says that he thinks of a ****** as that kid who struck out in tee-ball

 

[Talespinner]

If same-gender sex is a biological abnormality then so is laughter. The sole purpose of both is to make you content, happy and emotionally satisfied.

And since those are goals I find quite a bit more important than, say, economical wealth, celebrity or climbing the social ladder my conclusion is that I don't give a toss how people want to label it. It's things we do because they come naturally for us and they make us happier people.

OT: I'm gay. More than that; I'm a left-wing activist gay punker. And no, I don't find the word selection in "Zero Punctuation" the least bit offensive. If the man had been taking himself 100% seriously and never pointed his rhetorical barbs inwards then I might be slightly vexed with his judgmental and arrogant attitude but he's the bloody poster-boy for self-irony.

As long as you're aware that you're not above anyone else in any way and you're able to make jokes on your own expense, as well as on at the expense of others, then you can say whatever the hell you please without offending me.

 

[101flyboy]

You're either unbelievably stupid or just trying to piss me off.

You don't know what abnormal means. Being less in numbers doesn't=abnormal. Different isn't abnormal. Heck, in the way you are using it, being "wrong" doesn't make something abnormal. And yeah, you actually are going on and on, in a desperate attempt to justify your views. And basically prove your right, and all in all, act haughty. You come off incredibly pretentious. It's actually so immature at this point that I don't think I should dignify your posts with responses anymore.

If you honestly think this..... I don't know what to say. If the normal function of sex is to reproduce with a mate of the opposite gender. 2 creatures having sex within their own gender would be an abnormality. This is not up for discussion. It has nothing to do with numbers or statistics.

I'm going on and on because you're not understanding some very simple concepts. A child would have understood what I was saying by now.

Anyway, there isn't an argument, I don't need to argue with you. You act as if some type of burden is on me. Sex is not just for procreation, and to say otherwise shows you to be absolutely clueless. For you to say "animals abuse what sex is, homosexuality in animals is not REALLY homosexuality, it's dominance/masturbation/lack of opposite sex partner, is they SAME shit I ALWAYS hear from people who are trying to make the invalid and illogical point that homosexuality is unnatural. The SAME shit. It's not homosexuality, it's dominance. You have NO idea what you are talking about. It's not just "chemical reward" why you see two fucking male dolphins in life time pairs. It's literally comical how you truly think you sound intelligent. I don't know how many times that statement has been proven wrong by any random low-grade expert on this issue, let alone the National Geographic, which has done stories on this before, which maybe you should look up. You are so fucking wrong, and too arrogant to just chill out and take a step back. You are shouting me down with this snobby ass self-righteous attitude that is disgusting to say the least.

You choose to ignore the points I'm making. It's getting really fucking annoying. Don't reply back unless you actually read what I say.

BIOLOGICALLY sex is for procreation. THIS IS IT'S FUNCTION! It's a way to combine the DNA of 2 creatures and mix them to create a genetically different and hopefully superior hybrid. This is superior to other forms of reproduction such as mitosis and parthenogenesis because it creates a genetically rich species. If a species exists as carbon clones of their parents. Then they are more susceptible to disease. Because they're all alike.

The mixing of genetics in procreation allows for diversity and faster adaptation. In other words. Sex is evolutions way of solving certain problems. It is just for procreation I'm afraid. We have given it other meanings. And as I've explained in many, many posts. The pleasure and connection we feel after it is our bodies way of rewarding us for something beneficial to our species. It's not aware enough to know the difference between a hand and a vagina. Ect.

As for the shit about animals. As I said, humans aren't the only creatures to abuse the chemical reward. That should be the end of that argument. You're not special.

Listen, you implying I'm an idiot and thinking you are somehow above and beyond being wrong doesn't change the fact that, biologically, sex is not just for procreation. There are SEVERAL other benefits of sex outside of procreation. And, you also seem to think that everyone/everything is "supposed" to procreate. Are you kidding? Are you really that ignorant? And I never even said sex is for fun only. And, having sex for fun is NOT abusing sex, it's called having a different view point on what sex means to them.

You have a lot to learn. If you are going to speak on behalf of something, please know what you are talking about.

You huffing and puffing like a mad man isn't going to change the fact that biologically.... it is. Any other benefits attained through the act. Like emotional connection, stress relief, hormone regulations ect. ect. ect. Are all secondary to it's original cause.... procreation.

And yes you moron. Originally the idea was that every available human should procreate when their sexually mature. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE. With society as it is now. The original function of sex is less important than ever. We have NOW assigned ulterior meaning to the action. Because of the chemical rewards and emotional ties.

NO ONE IS SAYING HOMOSEXUALITY IS LESS IMPORTANT IN MODERSN SOCIETY. All I'm fucking saying is that it's a biological abnormality. Stop being such a defensive son of a *****. This doesn't make a lick of difference to you. The fact that it is an abnormality means absolutely nothing. Most fucking fetishes are abnormalities for fucks sake. Do you think it's biologically normal to wan to fuck feet? How about someone covered in PVC? Our perversions are our abnormalities. There is nothing wrong with exploration of them.

Will you stop just arguing a completely dead point. If you truly don't believe sex's biological function is to reproduce. Then you're an idiot. It's that simple. The rest of this argument is moot.

Look, you're wrong. I don't need to explain myself again, and continuing to try to justify yourself, really weakens your overall opinion. No need to get upset because you can't make me agree with you. It's over.

 

[101flyboy]

One thing I thought about last night, many of you, maybe even most I don't know, aren't from the US. You are from the UK/Australia/Asian countries/Canada. So, your views on things like the word ****** will be different than my views on the word. I guess that's because homosexuality is an extremely contentious issue in the US, and it pretty much is just a normal/irrelevant/not discussed thing in your countries, so you don't have the on edge feeling that a lot have here in the States. So, I can sort of understand why some of you don't get why I think it's a bigger deal than many of you think, it's because it's not a big deal where you live and in your existence. I know I've heard comedians use fag a lot, even gay ones, in the UK, and there not be any issue. In the US, the word ****** is a definite no-no word. So, I should have taken that into account when talking with some of you.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

This isn't gonna be me ranting at this, cause frankly myself I couldn't give two fucks what words he uses.

But this is a question for Escapist people...specifically the homosexual ones if there are any here.

The question is: do you get offended and/or annoyed when Yahtzee casually uses the term '******' in his reviews?

Examples are in the Web of Shadows review: "it feels like the red suit is forced to stay in tidying up while the black suit goes out to beat up faggots."

and the Demon's Souls review: "Pause? What kind of ****** are you!?"

aaaaand the Mirror's Edge review: "if you can excuse the ammount of faggotry in that sentence."

now as i said at the start of the post, I don't care about the seemingly semi-derogatory use of this word in his reviews, even though I'm gay. it just doesn't bother me.

but do any of you get somewhat offended when he uses the word in this sort of context?

He's said plenty of other nasty things as well, but never in a hateful or ignorant way, he insults people, thats who he is, when he uses words like "******" or "****" he's using them because the "badness" of the word adds to the comedic effect, if he said "butt" instead of "ass" it wouldn't be funny.

 

[FolkLikePanda]

Meh, over here Faggots are meat balls made from pork products, herbs and sometimes breadcrumbs.

 

[HK_01]

The word "fag" has lost any connection to gay people whatsoever by now. Well, mostly. Kind of like the word gay has lost its original meaning and is now used as a word for homosexual people, instead of a word for happy or merry.

In any case, Yahtzee is not using it as a derogatory term for homosexuals.

So no, I don't see why it's offensive.

 

[AtmaPhil]

I live in montreal and I laughed my ass off at his Splinter cell review I doubt anyone should take offense to anything he says its comedy.

 

[Lavi]

I'm a lesbian and I don't expect any straight person to ever use the word ****** in a nice way anyways. Not like he hates gays, so what do I care?

 

[Andrew Bohan]

Well, you are likewise pissing me off. Because of your density.

1)For you to say "there is a massive difference between what gay people have been through and what black people went through" is actually moronic. And offensive. And completely disrespectful.

Discrimination is discrimination. It doesn't have degrees of severity. There isn't any "equal" or "less valid" discrimination. It's all WRONG.

And really, is there a major difference between being enslaved as a group, and then just outright being sought for and KILLED? Throughout history, and up through today's times? I don't really think so. But, that's beside the point. Because, there aren't any comparisons here being made. There isn't any competition being made. Wrong is wrong. I can't believe you would even go as far as to essentially say "their issue is less important because they haven't really been through it tough." That's just really fucking wrong.


2)There are no gay jokes anymore, huh? They may have declined in stature, but they still exist. Yeah...................heard of the movie The Dilemma? That movie went as far as saying (paraphrasing) "That's a gay car, no real men would ever drive such an unmanly, girly car." Did you not know of that entire firestorm? Ron Howard directed the movie, and kept the line in the script, and most people approved of this. It is STILL OK to use gay people as a punching bag, the only difference is that there are consequences for it, the way things should be.

To say comedians "don't act like gay men", I never said that. I said many use gay men in their acts as punchlines. And you say that's because some gay men debase themselves to be famous, and act outlandish and ridiculous. Yeah...............right. Who are those gay men, again? Neil Patrick Harris? Stephen Fry? Or is it just a stereotype and assumption that all gay men are flamboyant queens. Just yesterday I heard jokes made about Rosie O'Donnell. Why are gay/lesbian people still defined by their sexuality? That's the reality of the situation. Gay is still GAY!!!!11!!! to a lot of people.

There is still homophobia in the UK. Insecurity of homosexuality is a personal thing, that is exacerbated by society, but not the sole cause of it. Gay/lesbian relationships are still classified as civil partnerships, and not marriage.

3)Are you serious in thinking ****** is not used against white people? Don't act like a ******. Don't hang with niggers. Don't be a ******. It's even implied with WIGGER, meaning, a white ******, which is a pretty popular term. I see this on YOUTUBE all the time. Wigger/****** are used by kids a lot. I live in southern USA, Richmond Virginia, capital of the confederacy. ****** isn't even necessary used against black individuals anymore in the way you think it is. It's basically used as an act. Don't ACT like a ******. That is the same thing with ******. Don't BE a ******, don't act like a ******. It's the same shit. But, you do live in the UK, so these terms and the way they are used may be foreign to you. It's a reality, it isn't a myth being blown out of proportion.

4)The UK is one of the best and really only places in the world where LGBT citizens have equality and are generally free from discrimination and hatred. But even there, there is still discrimination. It still exists. Homophobia is extremely prevalent worldwide. Most countries do not grant full equality to LGBT citizens. Most people are homophobic due to sexuality issues, or because of brainwashing, usually from those with sexuality issues. Something like 72 countries have policies against homosexuality.

Homophobia is real. And you don't do any favors in preventing it, and making the world a better place for your gay friends and LGBT citizens worldwide, by trivializing the depths of it.

Eugh. Too much shit to sift through.

I'm going to simplify everything.

1)There is a massive difference. Argue all you want. Doesn't change anything, I'm not saying what happened to homosexuals is in anyway excusable. And I've already told you I have arguments with anyone who is in actual fact a homophobe. Saying ****** doesn't make you one I'm afraid.

2) I didn't say they don't exist. I said they aren't the 'go to' joke that you assume they are. Gay jokes are pretty much out of fashion now.

3) Fair enough. Not something I've ever come across. But it does sound like something that would be said. I still say there is the difference because they use it to imply black people are less than human. Most people who say fag don't imply anything to do with gayness. Just as a base insult.

4) The UK isn't the best. Yes intolerance still happens. But that's life. Humans are intolerant. Simple as. Doesn't excuse it. Although it does explain it. And there are plenty of countries far better than even the UK with acceptance of homosexuality. Scandinavian countries for example. It's pretty much a none issue in those.

1)I never said using the word ****** makes you a homophobe. It does make you insensitive if you use it, knowing the pain it causes gay men worldwide, and not caring. But, sorry, there isn't a "massive difference" other than a difference of EVENTS. In terms of discrimination, it's all wrong. There isn't any argument, and yes, you are implying that anti-gay discrimination is of less value because it's lesser discriminatory. Hate is hate, none of it is any worse or better than the rest.

2)Gay jokes are not out of fashion at all, not in my existence. There are fewer than before, but they still do continue. And gay/lesbian people are still mocked, with stereotypes of them used against them. The show "Modern Family" with the two extremely flamboyant gays are basically a running stereotype. Stereotypes against gay/lesbian people are used for heterosexual enjoyment. It's OK if it happens less; the fact it happens at all is the bigger issue.

3)Fag is used as a base insult because homosexuality is considered an insult to many.

4)The UK is really one of the best countries, not the best, but right up there. The Netherlands is generally considered the best, but that isn't true anymore, because of Muslims. Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc. are generally good, but not OVERLY gay accepting either. There isn't any country where homosexuality is really accepted. It's beyond tolerated, but it's not really accepted anywhere. Humans are intolerant, but that doesn't really explain. The problem is the threat/fear people feel of difference. That's learned. And we all need to do our part to change that.

I'm gonna pick you off on point 2 right there. Redneck jokes are fine when it's an archetype applied for humor. Black people get it in quite a few shows too. Alot, and I mean ALOT, of groups are subject to this so as a bisexual if I can't see why the GLBT community should be any different then explain why you do? After all surely EVERYTHING is ok to joke about or nothing is.

There is a difference between joking about something, and making a joke of something.

I wouldn't say there is. It's all humor at the end of the day. Yes, joking about the stereotypes of sexuality. How is that making a joke of being homosexual in general. It's also generally taking the piss out of typical "family values" arguments. That show in general shows how you don't need to be your standard cut and paste family to be a good one. Bit like how The Middle takes the sheer and utter piss out of the bible belt and middle america. I'm failing to see the point you're driving at here. I don't see how joking about stereotypes belittles an entire sexuality. They're stereotypes. No-one thinks all gay people mince around and act like camp ring-leaders. If they do the whole point of humor is pretty lost on them to begin with.

There is a HUGE difference between joking about something, and making a joke of something. People joke about.............the stereotypes that black individuals like chicken, or make big meals for holidays. You'll hear black comedians joke about that, about the family, Pookie or Shenaynay, all that. George Lopez will joke about Latinos, but see, he's not making a joke of Latinos by essentially sub-humanizing them.

Then, jokes about gay/lesbian folk. Most of them are reduced to "faggots are flamers" "all those gay men are whores who suck millions of penises" and "Rosie O'Donnell is more of a man than I am (which I heard from a comedian just about 4 days ago). Most "jokes" when it comes to LGBT people aren't jokes. I'm not gay and I realize this. They are put downs against gay citizens.

I agree that Modern Family tries to make an example that "different" couples can be families in their own eccentric ways. Still, it's an overtly flaming gay couple. Easily, we could see two regular masculine guys. Why don't we? Because it's funny to use the flamer stereotype for the enjoyment of the heterosexual viewers. Because flamers are entertaining in how big of fags they are. It's not about joking about stereotypes, it is classifying a stereotype towards an entire group of people and then using them as a punchline. There are no NORMAL gay/lesbian couples on TV, just caricatures. There are TV shows that revolve around black families, latino families, teenage moms even, and they are presented in a regular, every day person light, not just obnoxiously. If you think that is all because they are "joking about stereotypes", then I think the whole driving force behind that is lost on you.

Name me a few black characters in the media that spring instantly to mind within comedy who don't rely on the same tired stereotypes. Latin, it's barely ever represented but it's there all the same, teenage moms same kinda stigma. You forget that this is big budget comedy. It doesn't reflect worldview as much as some might think it does either. Yes, so the gays in one big budget comedy are reduced to flaming queens. I'd put good money on that out there there's one major TV show based around gay life that isn't reducing them to OH HELLO THERE THAILOR and if there isn't, what the fuck does it matter that much? This is a way off topic point, yeah, but ultimately hollywood and the tv networks are so far behind the times in the best of situations that it hurts.

 

[Perfice]

How is Yatzhee an 'equal-offender?' I've never heard him use any words regarding lifestyles or race other than the word '******.' If you have I'd like to know where he ever said any of this.

It's not 'stupid' to get offended by the use either just because he's offensive in general or because it's used in a joking kind of way. There are people who use rape as a form of joke which is not meant to offend anyone. If you actually were raped then the joke takes on a different meaning though and you can't just say 'you're stupid for getting offended by that, we joke with everyone about that.'

I'm not offended by it myself, but I'm not gay. However being gay still isn't completely accepted in society and the use of the word itself is still commonly used as an offensive way to call someone stupid or weird. Now don't get me wrong, you may be sitting at your computer saying 'I've never heard anyone use gay as an offensive word and I have lots of gay friends.' That may be true, because believe it or not everywhere you go people have different views and lifestyles. There are still places where blacks are not allowed to eat and the sheriff will back you up if you turn them away. However being gay in the states is still not as widely accepted as being black has become over the last fifty years.