Poll: Time for a general election?
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Should Mr. Brown call a general election?
If he has a scrap of common sense, no.
The advantage of being PM is being able to call a general election when their floating high in the polls. As it seems to be a given that his days in office are numbered and the tories are getting in anyway, it would be better to wait until the expenses scandel has blown over then call one. That way he could at least ensure Labour a significant percentage of the commons and to avoid ultra-right parties getting in (the last thing any 'left' [centralisation anyone?] party needs).
The problem with Brown is that lately he's been over-cautious. The people want to see something done about an issue instantaneously, he did it brilliantly in the 2007 foot and mouth crisis and the floods. Now he seems to wait longer and hence portray the wrong image.
All in all though, 12 years of Labour is enough. People want change.
So who would I vote for?
Lib Dems.
A study showed that if everyone who said they would vote for Lib Dems but didn't because they thought they'd 'never get in', they would actually win with a fairly large majority. The fact that their policies are clearly defined, that they have been the least affected by the expenses scandel and that I think Nick Clegg is a great politician all compound this.
But that's just me.
If he has a scrap of common sense, no.
The advantage of being PM is being able to call a general election when their floating high in the polls. As it seems to be a given that his days in office are numbered and the tories are getting in anyway, it would be better to wait until the expenses scandel has blown over then call one. That way he could at least ensure Labour a significant percentage of the commons and to avoid ultra-right parties getting in (the last thing any 'left' [centralisation anyone?] party needs).
The problem with Brown is that lately he's been over-cautious. The people want to see something done about an issue instantaneously, he did it brilliantly in the 2007 foot and mouth crisis and the floods. Now he seems to wait longer and hence portray the wrong image.
All in all though, 12 years of Labour is enough. People want change.
So who would I vote for?
Lib Dems.
A study showed that if everyone who said they would vote for Lib Dems but didn't because they thought they'd 'never get in', they would actually win with a fairly large majority. The fact that their policies are clearly defined, that they have been the least affected by the expenses scandel and that I think Nick Clegg is a great politician all compound this.
But that's just me.
Its gone well beyond that. If anything, this just made people want change even more. Recession and expenses combined have sealed gordon browns fate. If the man has any integrity, he will call a general election. His party dont have a true mandate to rule anyway, they only recieved 36% of the vote in 2005 and got a very large majorityInvisibleSeal said:
Bwaaahhaaaaa.WrongSprite said:
Does anyone know how to get coffee off of an LCD monitor? I seem to have spat mine out!
THANK you good sir. Private Custard was just being a dick because he couldn't give me a decent counter argument.secretsantaone said:
Well my only concern is that by calling an election one of either UKIP or the BNP would get some stake in the political system. They're playing on people's fears of unemployment in order to make racist ideas seem legitimate. A member of the BNP last year called the holocaust the 'holo-haux'...
Also I remember hearing somewhere that government expenses for second homes were actually brought in by the conservatives in the 1980s. >_>
Still just hope a bigotted niche doesn't get any power in the election.
Also I remember hearing somewhere that government expenses for second homes were actually brought in by the conservatives in the 1980s. >_>
Still just hope a bigotted niche doesn't get any power in the election.
Well people do just criticise him with no real reasoning. He didn't ruin the economy. It was reckless mortgages given to people who didn't have the money to pay for them and hence the banks made a loss but then sold on these 'toxic' loans screwing others over. Sure you could say "he should of done something" but I doubt anyone could of seen this coming and if anyone else was in power they'd just be getting the finger too. He is just the scapegoat at the moment as he's the easiest to blame. Also he doesn't seem to show many human tendensies which doesn't help either.EMFCRACKSHOT said:
If you can't see just how incompetent he is then I hope to God you're not registered to vote. The man is a disaster. From ignoring expert advice and selling our gold reserves shortly before the market tripled (costing us £2bn), to not allowing the Ghurkas to stay until an actress from Ab Fab virtually bludgeoned him.
He's been at the pointy end of this country's political system for 12 years now, most of it as chancellor (oh yeah, this country's financially fucked!) and now as an unelected PM. He dithers, mumbles and smiles smarmily as things fall down around his ears. He is respected by no-one and should stand down now. There's now way the UK should have been forced to tolerate ONE unelected PM, there's no way in hell we should have to tolerate TWO if he decides he wants to pass the baton to someone else.
His list of fuck-ups is longer than your list of excuses.
Oh, and where's our promised referendum on the EU treaty? Simply changing its name doesn't alter a thing.
He's been at the pointy end of this country's political system for 12 years now, most of it as chancellor (oh yeah, this country's financially fucked!) and now as an unelected PM. He dithers, mumbles and smiles smarmily as things fall down around his ears. He is respected by no-one and should stand down now. There's now way the UK should have been forced to tolerate ONE unelected PM, there's no way in hell we should have to tolerate TWO if he decides he wants to pass the baton to someone else.
His list of fuck-ups is longer than your list of excuses.
Oh, and where's our promised referendum on the EU treaty? Simply changing its name doesn't alter a thing.
Well said sir.Private Custard said:
He has also massively increased public debt. We borrowed our way into the recesssion, we can't borrow our way out of it. And it is us who are going to have to pay for this with increased taxes. We already leave uni with a massive debt, we can't afford to pay of Browns as well. And that vat cut was jus plain retarded. That did more damage than good. Where is the help thats been promised for small businesses as well? Up Gordon Browns fat arse along with anything else that resembles effective policy
Who needs policies that work when it's far simpler to bury your head in the sand and hope the 'bad things' go away!!
I thought that he was the one responsible, what with him being the chancellor of the exchequer before, controlling the budget and all that. I don't know for sure, but wasn't it this government that got rid of some legislation that stopped the banks from lending too much?MrPop said:
Just to say - I haven't been in England for a year or so, meaning most of my information comes from online news.
I completely agree. I never liked Tony Blair, but at least he was charismatic I suppose. I don't see why the people of Britain should have to tolerate a PM they did not elect, especially now. The sheer amount of mistakes made by this government means the economy won't recover for a very long time (remember the amount of debt!)Private Custard said:
Then again, with the situation Britain's apparently in now, I don't see how an election could solve anything - the british people probably need a miracle.
I'm sick of brown promising to do x,y or z week in week out and seeing no bloody progress on the issues he's promised to sort.
I'm sick of him claiming the goverment is doing so much for unemployed people when there doing fuck all that i can see.
I grew up through the last tory goverment and i won't vote for them on general principle, Labour are unelectable now so i'm giving serious consideration to the lib dems.
I'm sick of him claiming the goverment is doing so much for unemployed people when there doing fuck all that i can see.
I grew up through the last tory goverment and i won't vote for them on general principle, Labour are unelectable now so i'm giving serious consideration to the lib dems.
I keep waiting for a new right wing party. I can't really vote conservative as i know how badly the fucked up my region, i wont vote UKIP as they are shor sighted fools and i wont vote bnp as they are bunch of racist scum. I cant stand left wing or centre left policy though. Its all lets make everybody happy half measures.
And the Lib Dems are a do nothing party, they are as much talk as the other 2 main parties. They want PR for gods sake. Lib Dems=bad, Conservatives=worse, Labour=evil
And the Lib Dems are a do nothing party, they are as much talk as the other 2 main parties. They want PR for gods sake. Lib Dems=bad, Conservatives=worse, Labour=evil
Gordon Brown INCREASED public borrowing during a huge (blatantly unsustainable) economic boom, with tax revenues at an all time high, when he should have been reducing public debt. I guess he thought the shit would hit the fan after Labour got voted out, and that it would be the Tories problem. That is why we are so screwed, why there have been no big public works projects announced to create jobs, it is also why the country will be crippled with high taxes for decades.
I don't have much faith in the Tories, but they can't be any worse they really can't. Shame the Lib dems won't get in, Vince Cable is probably the best person for chancellor.
I don't have much faith in the Tories, but they can't be any worse they really can't. Shame the Lib dems won't get in, Vince Cable is probably the best person for chancellor.
