Poll: UK ban on Extreme pornography

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Tahmoh

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thing about hentai over here in the uk is, they already censor the shit out of it so if its banned fullly not many people will care really. plus as has been said the interweb hold all the stuff they wanna ban so unless they pull a china or france and start limiting what we can view from uk browsers i fail to see how any ban will work.
 

cuddly_tomato

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Aardvark said:
The one thing that gets me is England already has a justice system stretched to the limits. Overcrowded prisons, insufficient police and a legal code in bad need of an overhaul. Do they honestly think outlawing a vice primarily indulged in by middle/upper class adults, between work, church and raising a family, is really going to make the world a better place?

No, they don't and they never did. This is just another crass attempt at harvesting votes from the religious nutbagority.
I think it is less about the religious nutbagority and more about them having an excuse to monitor your net usage. A few years ago the government used benefit cheats to get access to everyones banking records. Every single person in the country. They then followed this up with a law that they could confiscate anything from you that you cold not prove that you had aquired through legitimate means.

By the way, teachers who like even a bit of milder BDSM? Well they have to give up looking at women in leather corsets in their spare time because:-

"conduct involving sexually explicit images depicting violence against human beings (including possession of such images), if it appears to IBB that the conduct is inappropriate [http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060047_en_7#sch3]"

Not "extreme" you understand. A mere riding crop will do. Don't think you can just bung your pics of Morticia Adams in a hidden folder either, Big Brother will be watching [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7430954.stm].

While you are there, read this [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409593.stm]. The UK is turning more and more into a open prison.
 

Aardvark

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cuddly_tomato said:
The UK is turning more and more into a open prison.
The solution to this is simple.

Make sure politicians and captains of industry are caught up in this and prosecuted under these laws. Most of them are paying good money for this sort of thing and photo/videos of the sessions for future appreciation. The more politicians and influential people caught with their pants down around leather-clad women, the sooner these laws will be repealed.
 

Aschenkatza

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There is an actual "Declaration of Sexual Rights" adopted by the "World Association of Sexology"
The 11 rights of Sexuality include:
3. The right to Sexual privacy.

IMO, that includes being able to own pornography. To ban pornography would be against our rights.
While I don't agree with the more graphic pornography, it is not my[or anyone's] business as long as no one is being harmed in the making of it[or use of it].
 

Bagaloo

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No censorship, thank you very much.
Whilst I would agree that the material being sensored is questionable, I also agree that censorship is a slippery slope and one I would rather not slide down.
 

Darkwolf9

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I am honestly not sure. There is good reason for such things. For one thing it gets rid of stuff so that there won't be a community built around it. Secondly by doing it, the government is disapproving of the behavior in way that says that it is really wrong to do such things. I mean really it's getting rid of stuff that only, and I'm speaking generally, sick people would watch and get off to. Most of the stuff that is being censored is stuff that people only watch to get grossed out or say they had seen it. I haven't read the other replies, but I wouldn't doubt if there was a lot of people making references to movies and literature claiming that this is the first step in controlling the masses, which I find to be more less ridiculous.
 

wilsonscrazybed

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I imagine some people are responding with that liberal knee-jerk reaction that happens every time someone mentions the word 'censorship'. "Oh, we must protect the poor pornographer's artistic rights!" you cry. Well, governments are well within their rights to put bans on behaviour that can endanger the health it's citizens as a whole. You don't find many people defending their right to drive drunk as 'artistic expression.' Furthermore the porn business is estimated to be worth 10 billion USD a year. "Who will look out for the poor pornographers!"

What some of you have mistaken as The UK acting as bedroom police, is actually a law designed to protect actors. (And the bodies of people's loved ones.) When enough money is given people will do just about anything. Even a fairly reasonable person will do things that are unhealthy for them, given a high enough wage. This is especially true of the young, impressionable girls that get into porn in the first place.

Porn is valid. I think it has a place in our society, but unlike other forms of media there are few regulators, no guilds, and dark creepy shit is becoming more the norm as porn becomes easier to consume. We need standards, and this to me is a step in the right direction.
 

Shivari

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I find it sadly amusing to see how defensive people get about porn, even "sexual interference with a human corpse". It's really quite sad.

Anyways, I'm definitely of a different mindset about porn, and sex in general, then most people. I don't think masturbating, or even having casual sex, is moral, and most people will vehemently disagree with me. I really don't care what you think, I don't think it's right to do those things, and I really think you should only have sex with someone you're in a truly serious relationship with. Call me a prude or whatever you will, but I don't believe in it.

This is probably the only belief of mine that correlates with my Catholic upbringing, as I disagree with the church's stance on most every other social issue, including the fact that I don't believe in God anymore.

Now I really couldn't care less about what you personally do in your room at night, but seriously, the stuff that they're banning is stuff that should be banned.
 

Dys

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Beastiality and necrophelia are already illegal...
I'm also fairly sure that killing someone is also illegal.
So really they are going to be censoring pornography that is likely to do permanant damage to anus/breast/genitals? Who decides what is likely to happen? Some people are into violent sex, some people are into watching all kinds of (sick) torture fetishs. This doesn't make them any more likely to do it in real life than I am to go out and shoot somebody because I've seen a James Bond film. Censoring harmless things because you dislike them is selfish and ignorant.

Not only is it obscene to suggest censorship of violent sexual fantasies in general, it is a complete double standard as films like saw and hostel, which depict graphic physical torture are allowed into the country and given very little censorship. Why is it that things are automaticially worse if they involve boobs? Surely unconsentual and largely unmotivated depictions of torture are worse, right?
 

Booze Zombie

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I've got a lot of pictures on my PC, I hope I don't get in trouble... That would do more harm than any amount of cartoon pictures could ever hope to.

Actually... does this cover cartoon stuff? I don't want to have to delete my "octopus fun time" collection, if you know what I mean.
 

mark_n_b

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There is a bit of a problem, you cannot legally injure a person, interfere with a corpse, or have sex with a person anyway. So that material should not exist as it stands.

What of drawings of a person humping... I don't know... a cat girl? How about medical texts?

What constitutes pornography and what constitutes material that is "grossly obscene"?

I'm not big on this law. Yes I don't think there should be videos of necrophylia and a person who is responding to that has some potentially dangerous psychology working.

But then we have to wonder about responses to some fetish material, say drinking... bathroom material... yes, distasteful and unerotic to many, but not readily available to the public in general and not intrinsically dangerous to the actors or home viewers that enjoy that sort of thing.

And how big does the penetrating member have to be? I can somewhat see the point of it all, but it is a dangerous slippery slope. Once fetish material is banned, it is a short trip to standard hardcore material, then all pornographic imagery, and then whatever may be considered pornographic imagery...

and who is going to say "we need to support people's right to watch the sickest porn they want to"? People have trouble saying a cartoon of a naked attractive woman is potentially stimulating.

At the extreme point noted above "Revenge of the nerds" and several Monty Python films would be illegal. And that's absurd, and that's why people take a stance against laws based in fairly reasonable philosophy such as this one.
 

Booze Zombie

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I have a computer filled with cartoon pictures and I'm pretty nervous about this law because some of them have... well... anthos in them. And tentacles.

I don't want to go to jail, so would these be legal under this new law?
 

Jinx_Dragon

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I was just drifting through, but who knows I might say if the topics are as riveting as this...

I want to point out something no one is thinking. People are judging this as a protection issue or a personal rights issue and generally responding emotionally and no rationally. Now while they are not at fault for doing so they are over looking what this issue really is: a legal issue. Legal issues are cut and dry, they use language very precisely and have obvious boundaries set by that language. Those who create the legal issue may go further, often using emotional responses to get people to ok the law they are trying to pass, but how he wording of the law is interoperated is all that matters.

In this case it is NOT, I repeat NOT, about sex with animals, children or violent images. One has to look at the wording of the law and they will see no reference to these things. The words they will see is "grossly offensive, disturbing or otherwise of an obscene character." That is exactly what it will cover, and while it covers the before mentioned abuses it covers EVERY type of porn as well. Why? Well these words are 'in the eye of the beholder' and nothing more. Someone, even if just one person who truly fits frauds only 'sexual abnormal*,' finds anything offensive then this law bans it!

Considering how many religious nuts the world has this is a under cover means to create a law banning all porn.

I call this a open ended law myself, one that can be used for a WIDE range of things... including things that a reasonable person might never even think it could ever cover. Even the people making these laws might find themselves becoming criminals, as the law is always interoperated as written and open ended ones are always twisted any way the person interoperating them wants.

Australia tried the same crap to ban web pages, making a open ended law and selling it to the people as protecting children, animals, little old ladies... anything that could produce an emotional response. The wording of the law meant it could censor any page, even this one, and indeed it has already been shown the pages we knew they have on the cutting board wouldn't even make up 1% of the pages that deal with already criminalised acts. The excuses offered did not cover the whole of the law. Most where the usual crap the government wants to ban, such as bad mouthing said government or general dissent.

So while it is a issue of civil rights, personal rights and what not you have to vote against such a bill because it is just way too open. Cause if I was was British I would sue the arses off every retail sex store using one religious nut case, easily found in this world, to get your straight up heterosexual porn banned. Why? Cause you would deserve it for being so stupid as to let the words 'disturbing' govern what can and can't be seen!

Now, back to watching unforgotten realms like the Geek I am. Oh and before I go: Heterosexual sex can cause damage to the Vagoo and particularly the anus so if that is the only real boundary it is a flimsy one. How many woman here have hurt after intercourse even though the pleasure was so much greater? Or do I start feeling sorry for you all, that your lovers can't 'make love' to you till you can't walk.

It was once said, by who I can't remember, that you can judge how free a country is by the laws they have against porn. I feel this is true, as it is always the 'hot button' politicians press when they have even bigger censorship laws down the books and the cultures most open to different opinions and criticism being voiced are more open to normal sexual behaviour. Even the strange behaviour....

*Someone who feels no physical attraction at all.
 

NekoAnastasia

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NekoAnastasia said:
But if the police see my homevideos, which I consented and enjoyed making (hypothetically, naturally) I go to prison. That's not right. I know some people think that the creation of extreme pornography (in human cases, I'm ignoring beastiality/necrophilia because I agree with outlawing that) victimises women, but it doesn't, we're victimised when the government says "I don't care if you consent, it's weird, so nyer".
Mind you I agree on the whole your consent should override anything,But playing the other side I could see what they may think let me give you a few examples.

A man could be abusive to his wife and child and when he gets caught assaulting his wife with homemade taped videos of him raping her, He'll just have her say it was consent and then nothing would happen. People who have been abused will back me up in it is the furthest thing from your mind to actually inform someone of your abuse. So many wives could be forced into just saying it is consent.

It is likely this sort of thing could happen and could be a reason to ban it,Though is that the governments reason no. But it would have been a better one for taking away consent.

Also I am not sure how you can say play assault is not weird but then say bestiality is weird. As a fetishist we all should be understanding to all fetishists no matter what I think. I don't criticize your love of being beat up as much I trust you won't criticize my love for princess dresses as we are both in the same grey area when it comes to governments.
All right, I'm against necrophilia/beastality and for most other things because I believe in INFORMED consent. An animal and a dead person cannot give their consent, therefore anything you do to them is tantamount to rape and should most certaintly be illegal.

Anything else, it should be down to the people involved giving INFORMED consent. This means that they are mentally aware of exactly what's going on, they're mentally sound to make their own decisions, they're not influenced by fear, abuse, etc, they have to be in sound mind, informed, and give their consent. Anything situation where the parties don't give that should be illegal, but if everyone involved does, then they should be good to go with no interference.

I've been in heavily abusive relationships myself, and I know the kind of mental affect it can have on you, but if you're under duress then that isn't informed consent, so it doesn't count either way. Also, a guy can't just claim for someone else that they consented, because surely they can just refute it? If the man in your example claimed she consented, and she or her child said actually, no they didn't, and it appeared that way on the tape, a lot should happen. Although rape laws within marriage are flimsy as hell.

I'm still adamant that informed consent is the bottom line. People in the scene know how to protect themselves, they respect one another's boundaries, they have safe words to ensure safe play, etc. It's none of Gordon Brown's business.

EDIT: I have to say, it's refreshing to see so many "No" votes :3
 

Thirdman

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What I'm not clear about is the definition of "possession"

Are they completely banning viewing it or just having it on your pc or disc etc
 

NekoAnastasia

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Thirdman said:
What I'm not clear about is the definition of "possession"

Are they completely banning viewing it or just having it on your pc or disc etc
Having it on something you own. If you're at a friend's house watching it on his computer, it'll be him who goes down, not you.