Poll: UK Election Day

[Daystar Clarion]

Race does not determine nationality. If you had been born in China, raised there with all their traditions etc, you would be Chinese, the colour of your skin matters not.

Of course it does, no one's going to look at a white guy and accept that he's Chinese.

I mean it's a bit of a silly comparison as China is a pretty extreme example, with so few non-orientals living there. But if we can't tear down reason with ridiculous examples where's the fun in life.

I know what you mean, but Griffin was trying to convince people that, no matter how many generations a black family had been living in Britain, they were not British.

How many generations do you need to go back to claim you're British? The way I see it is that 90% of the current population cannot trace their lineage back to a native Britain, there have been so many invasions and settlements in the countries history.

Exactly. Griffin is just a prat.

 

[Pariah87]

We're too young to vote (ONE YEAR, DAMNIT) but we had a ballot in Sixth Form

I voted Labour (I can say this, because it was a fake election in a school, so it's kay) because although I'm more liberal than socialist, I abhorr the Tories (I'm Scottish (Dundee!) it's in my blood) and I think that Labour is the safest pair of hands we have (even though they caused the recession (the local problems, not the generally global mess))

A lot of people around here are generally unfazed. NORTHAMPTONSHIRE is a Conservative stronghold, much to the malign of me, my Dundonian dad, my Liberal Brighton mum and my Middlesbrough politics/history teacher

There's a suprising amount of liberalism, though, in the schools

That explains why Northampton is such a state seeing as the county is Tory yet Northampton North and South are both Labour, so the borough council are always arguing with the county council.

I voted. It was a major party.

I am intrigued by the predicitons regarding the Lib Dems though, especially with all the support I've seen for them online.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You are as bad as The_root_of_all_evil: link. You two need to stop making me laugh.

Well, the yolk's on him. I don't want to turn the other chick to this as it might be egging him on, but hen he might be getting a nest of them ready, the dumb cluck.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Race does not determine nationality. If you had been born in China, raised there with all their traditions etc, you would be Chinese, the colour of your skin matters not.

Of course it does, no one's going to look at a white guy and accept that he's Chinese.

I mean it's a bit of a silly comparison as China is a pretty extreme example, with so few non-orientals living there. But if we can't tear down reason with ridiculous examples where's the fun in life.

I know what you mean, but Griffin was trying to convince people that, no matter how many generations a black family had been living in Britain, they were not British.

How many generations do you need to go back to claim you're British? The way I see it is that 90% of the current population cannot trace their lineage back to a native Britain, there have been so many invasions and settlements in the countries history.

Exactly. Griffin is just a prat.

By his own standards he is an African.

That is, after all, where his ancestors lived.

He should go back there. Go into the hut of a Nigerian witch-doctor weilding a machette and tell him how much he hates black people. I would pay quite a bit to see that.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I don't usually trust quotes unless they're spoken.

Ok
Mr. Griffin saying that he would force them to go home, even if they were born here.

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

Who the hell is he?

The guy pictured was Neil Carmichael and the Labour MP i mentioned is David Drew.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I don't usually trust quotes unless they're spoken.

Ok
Mr. Griffin saying that he would force them to go home, even if they were born here.

People who truly believe that he's not a bigot are fucking idiots.

 

[Kinguendo]

Well, apparently you're on my friends list, though I'm not on yours :S. I'm only up here for university anyway, in my second year now. Though Leeds is so much better than Birmingham, I'll probably stay here when I graduate, if I can afford it and find a decent job up here

Odd... you dont appear on my friends list BUT when I went to your profil the only option it displayed was "remove"/ O-o

 

[Sovvolf]

I don't usually trust quotes unless they're spoken.

Ok
Mr. Griffin saying that he would force them to go home, even if they were born here.

People who truly believe that he's not a bigot are fucking idiots.

The only reason he's even got a seat is because those idiots vote for him. No Griffin is an evil racist shit who want's to turn Britain into Nazi Germany, thinks that all those soldiers that thought against Hitler were bastards, criticises and mocks WWII veterans... then he goes and calls him self a patriot.

On with the election. I voted Liberal Democrats though with the looks of things where getting our arses handed to us.

 

[ENKC]

Nothing quite as crass as who you voted for as that would probably be illegal, but what actually did you do?

Why would that be illegal? Asking people about voting intention is standard practice.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Nothing quite as crass as who you voted for as that would probably be illegal, but what actually did you do?

Why would that be illegal? Asking people about voting intention is standard practice.

Because that information can then be sold. As far as I can tell.

 

[ENKC]

Nothing quite as crass as who you voted for as that would probably be illegal, but what actually did you do?

Why would that be illegal? Asking people about voting intention is standard practice.

Because that information can then be sold. As far as I can tell.

I'm still not seeing the problem. You're allowed to ask people anything you like, but whether they tell you is their own business. No illegality whatsoever is involved as far as I can see.

 

[maxusy3k]

I voted for a major party.
My reasons were for the things they propose to offer.
e.g. Tax break for the UK games industry and a proper review of the stupid Digital Economy Bill.

Seriously if that Bill passes into actual law then it'll be bad for the whole country. I've never pirated anything myself but what's to stop a more tech savvy person hacking and using my wireless internet to download copyrighted material? Getting me perma-banned from the internet, its just wrong and needs a massive overhaul. It's also really bad for wi-fi hot spots /Rant.

Not sure if you've had this picked up on elsewhere in the thread, but that Bill has passed into law. Seriously, check it out. It was rushed through while everybody was out on the campaign trail, with practically no MPs showing up to vote on it, aside from a large Conservative presence enough to push it through.

And since the election results are coming in, looks like it's here to stay.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I did not vote, not because I don't agree with it, but simply because I felt I wasn't ready to make the choice.

I'm not really that politically educated and my opinion may just be uninformed.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Nothing quite as crass as who you voted for as that would probably be illegal, but what actually did you do?

Why would that be illegal? Asking people about voting intention is standard practice.

Because that information can then be sold. As far as I can tell.

I'm still not seeing the problem. You're allowed to ask people anything you like, but whether they tell you is their own business. No illegality whatsoever is involved as far as I can see.

Well IANAL, but this way you, supposedly, get less fights and drama.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I don't usually trust quotes unless they're spoken.

Mr. Griffin saying that he would force them to go home, even if they were born here.

Force them to go home...even if they were born here...
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[Cheesebob]

Well....its a Hung Parliment with the Tories in charge.

God help us all

 

[Wedlock49]

I support the BNP's stand on immigration as well as withdrawing from the EU but i'm not overly keen on some of their other policies.

I can't help but find it very ironic when the English start complaining about immigration.

EDIT: Apologies, but i realised i assumed you are English, which may or may not be the case.

I am English. We have every right to complain about immigration, our population is being inflated too fast for our dwindling economy to handle. Yes lots of Brits do emigrate to countries like Australia, Canada and USA. Those countries are english speaking countries, they have similar cultures to us. Now a family from I don't know say Pakistan move over. They have legal visa's and are good muslim people, they work and pay their taxes. They have EVERY right to be here, they contribute to our economy and are not a burden. Say a family moves over and works for a while but then applies for benefits once they are legal residents for no better reason than it's easier what right do they have to be in our country? The same goes for native Britons who don't work when they are perfectly capable of it.

My stand on immigration is that as a country we can not keep up with immigration, it's too easy for people to get a visa here and then leach our benefits. So why is it so bad for me to believe that we need to be stricter with our immigration policies? We also have a shockingly large amount of illegals in this country and a stupid amount of asylum seekers traveling through europe to get here passing through plenty of other safe countries. I VERY much agree with Swedens stance on immigration, they are preserving their own culture and stopping themselves from becoming over populated.

I myself do wish to emigrate from England once i'm done with my A levels and maybe go to university in a forgien country, Canada and Australia at the top of my list and if/when I decide to go I will work and I will learn, I will pay taxes and I will contribute. Not all immigration is bad at it's sad people are so closed minded to think that people with beliefs like mine are bigots. The British people in Spain who refuse to speak Spanish and force our culture on them is just as wrong and they shouldn't be in that country either! But spanish government isn't my problem.

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Mr. Griffin saying that he would force them to go home, even if they were born here.

That entire video is out of context and made of clips of ONLY him talking it's obviously edited and so not a viable source of information.

Ok, just to clear up. I am not a supporter of the BNP I agree with a number of their ideals but not with their members. I am not racist and I love forgien cultures but in saying that, I believe Britian should be for the legally British. (Notice how I say British and not the whites.)

 

[Treefingers]

I support the BNP's stand on immigration as well as withdrawing from the EU but i'm not overly keen on some of their other policies.

I can't help but find it very ironic when the English start complaining about immigration.

EDIT: Apologies, but i realised i assumed you are English, which may or may not be the case.

-snip-

Fair point. I can see where you're coming from there.

Though i find it ironic because it the British Empire at one point was responsible for colonizing the world by stamping out and marginalizing other cultures and claiming land and artefacts for themselves by unfairly force. Complaining about some Indian guy taking an Englishman's job seems kind of... well, ironic. And silly.

Not because the English like to travel abroad to North America and Aus.

But that's another topic altogether...

 

[Wedlock49]

Fair point. I can see where you're coming from there.

Though i find it ironic because it the British Empire at one point was responsible for colonizing the world by stamping out and marginalizing other cultures and claiming land and artefacts for themselves by unfairly force. Complaining about some Indian guy taking an Englishman's job seems kind of... well, ironic. And silly.

Not because the English like to travel abroad to North America and Aus.

But that's another topic altogether...

I can agree with how it's ironic, but modern people didn't do that and we are not emdebted to them because of it. It honestly makes me sad when I think about how much the west has destroyed, Native Americans, Aboriginis, Mayans, Aztecs all these cultures that were so diverse and just different snuffed out because of our self important bigoted church!

(This may be off topic, but I can't figure out how to put the snip in without screwing up the quote, i'm sure it's something simple that i'm overlooking, would anyone mind PMing to let me know?)