Poll: Ultimate Sacrifice

[Loonyyy]

If you don't exist, it doesn't do you any good. It's oblivion, and that seems like the worst place to condemn yourself for people who will never know of your sacrifice, especially if you never capitalise on it.

 

[Nuuu]

I wouldn't do it, not only would it suck for me, but then there wouldn't be as much "fun" anymore would there?

 

[Catchy Slogan]

That sounds like a boring world to live in.

No, I wouldn't do it. The past is made from people having the freedom to make bad choices/ decisions.

The past is what make the present, with out that past, this present cannot exist. If the present doesn't exist there would be no one to sacrifice themselves for it.

We are product of everything that has come before us both good and bad.

Also, by erasing all the bad things that happened, you run the risk of something even worse taking its place. something completely unkown.

You also lose all the good things that have come from all these wars and such.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Would I erase myself from history to rob every single person on the planet of their free will?

That's not an ultimate sacrifice, thats the biggest dick move ever conceived. Made even worse since you wouldn't exist anymore, and no one would have anyone to blame for the lose of free will (And they couldn't play the blame game anyway, since that requires a little bit of self interest).

Interesting take on it, but im alittle confused, how exactly is it robbing people of their free will?

He's sort of a jerk and he's saying people have the right to kill, rape, and steal. Oh, also that people born into impossible odds (orphans in sub-Saharan Africa) are thankful for their freedom to try and fail, as opposed to the tyranny of the situation being fixed by an outside force.

He's pretty much an idiot who has never left his house.

Really now. Idiot, eh?

Okay, here's how it works. We live in somewhere in between utopia and a crap sack world. Some place are closer to one pole then the other. Life sucks for some, not for others. I wont argue against that.

So here's the proposition made by the OP, as I see it. Would you give up your very existence so that everyone can live happily? Sounds great - a test of ones moral fiber. How could one not bestow ultimate joy on those who he loves (And everyone else, while we're at it). But here's the problem: for there to be no sadness, there must be no sin. For there to be no sin, their are only two possibilities: that everyone in existence has decided it to be so (Great), or for an external being (Or something else) to force everyone to abolish sin.

Which is pretty much slavery.

So, since someone decided I was an evil maniac who's never left his house (I mean, its not like I've gone around the god damn globe once, and took a 16 month break in the Middle East, which is in the top 3 shittiest regions on Earth), I make a counter claim - that anyone who says yes to this question is a slaver, someone who's decided that all others are not 'smart' enough to run their own lives, and would be better off if they were all mentally chained to this person's clearly superior mind and moral compass.

...

Obviously, I don't think that last part is true for everyone. But honestly, it probably is for at least one person in this thread.

 

[zf6hellion]

Your presented with a choice, Every single problem in the world today (War, Famine etc) will be solved over night, no one will ever be unhappy again and there would be no crime, But you get erased from history, Not killed - Erased. Everything you've ever done wont ever have happened (*Edit* Apart from making that choice, the world would still be fixed)and everyone who knew you would instantly forget you ever existed and to make matters better or worse depending on your outlook, you are still alive, but no one can see you or hear you, You can't intereact with anything or anyone, all you can do is watch the effects of your sacrifice. The question is, Would you do it?

Me, I'd love to say I would do it, for the good of everyone else.. but really, I know I couldn't.. Selfish maybe, But I dont want to die, and when I do eventually die the least I want is people to remember me, so no, I couldn't do it.

If Nier can do it, then so can I.

Granted it won't be as cool an ending because the world don't lose their collective save datas or realize someone just vanished. But... eh.

 

[ZephyrFireStrom]

Without picking your example apart for all the bits that don't make sense, and sticking to the spirit of what you're asking: yes. I'm not so into myself that I would prefer my own pleasures of life to the good of the greater world.

For the greater good of what? These humans are worth jack. The majority of them are unoriginal clones that flock to the next best thing, that best thing being something entirely irrelevent. What good there is left in the world is dwindling, hanging by a thread, vastly out numbered by the corrupted. There isn't enough good on the planet to stop the spread of corruption. To prolong the human race is to doom the universe.

 

[neoontime]

Eh, I would at least try to fix the world on my own first. If things go to shit, and I start an apocalypse, at least I have something to make up for it.

 

[Fanfic_warper]

I have so little impact as it is, being erased from history doesn't seem too bad to me in the end.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Nope. The worlds a fine place, I wanna see how things work out before I die. Even if i live afterwards, whats there left to look at? Happines? That's going to get pretty boring after a while ain't it?

Plus, you know, I like my life.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I wouldn't. Humans aren't worth it. Well majority of them anyway, so weak and stupid. They deserve all the suffering they get and then some. Specially rich and famous people and the clones that follow them.

Oh hoo-fucking-ray! The inevitable misanthropic douche is in the house. Nelson Who? Mahatma What? No, every single homo-sapiens on the planet is worth nothing more then their own weight in shit and no one human has ever done anything good for anyone else. That's why I wouldn't give up my own conscious existence to end all human suffering. Not because I value myself too much, not even because I think humans are stronger if we have to overcome ordeals to succeed. I just can't be arsed because I spend too much time in my mum's basement to see any good in the world.

If you hate us so much, then just go away because nobody cares.

OP: I'd do it. If I could end all human suffering the only thing I would need for the rest of eternity is to be able to watch the Utopia my choice created blossom and prosper.

First off, I said majority of humans aren't worth it. Get your facts straight dumbass. There's no good reason to give up my life just so corrupted, indecent, moronic factory clones such as yourself could live happily ever after. Fact is majority of humans lost their ability to overcome actual challenges. And for the record, we don't have basements where I come from. You stupid mindless fucking troll.

Nah, that would only end your suffering sooner. I'd rather go on a massacre and go down in history as an infamous killer. Still more than what you would accomplish.

Oh I'm so sorry. You're right, I should have got my facts straight. It's quite clear to me now that you have in fact met every single human being on Earth and thus been able to pass the completely fair and not at all presumed judgement that the vast majority of us don't have a single ounce of compassion within us. How could I be so moronic as to believe that that was just a completely one-sided impression that you've got from whatever band you happen to be listening to at the moment? I also commend you on your powers of clairvoyance, seem as you obviously can tell despite the fact that I have probably never seen you before that I am a "factory clone" and will never accomplish anything in my life as noteworthy as a mass murder. Now that I think about it, it just seems so clear that I am exactly the same as every single person out on the street, and they in turn are all identical to each other. We might as well all be goose-stepping in perfect rhythm, so what's the point of actually, y'know, getting to know anyone, let alone feeling something as weak and unoriginal as compassion for them when they will only disappoint me. Thank you for opening my eyes as to how futile it all is, excuse me while I go wrap my lips round a shotgun barrel.

(also, I'm sorry I wasn't aware about the fact that your mum doesn't have a basement. What is it then, her attic?)

 

[Da Orky Man]

Your presented with a choice, Every single problem in the world today (War, Famine etc) will be solved over night, no one will ever be unhappy again and there would be no crime, But you get erased from history, Not killed - Erased. Everything you've ever done wont ever have happened (*Edit* Apart from making that choice, the world would still be fixed)and everyone who knew you would instantly forget you ever existed and to make matters better or worse depending on your outlook, you are still alive, but no one can see you or hear you, You can't intereact with anything or anyone, all you can do is watch the effects of your sacrifice. The question is, Would you do it?

Me, I'd love to say I would do it, for the good of everyone else.. but really, I know I couldn't.. Selfish maybe, But I dont want to die, and when I do eventually die the least I want is people to remember me, so no, I couldn't do it.

But doing that will doom humanity to cultural stagnation, and therefore ruin humanity as a whole. Because everyone has what they want, no new technologies, no more exploration, no anything.

 

[JoJo]

Really now. Idiot, eh?

Okay, here's how it works. We live in somewhere in between utopia and a crap sack world. Some place are closer to one pole then the other. Life sucks for some, not for others. I wont argue against that.

So here's the proposition made by the OP, as I see it. Would you give up your very existence so that everyone can live happily? Sounds great - a test of ones moral fiber. How could one not bestow ultimate joy on those who he loves (And everyone else, while we're at it). But here's the problem: for there to be no sadness, there must be no sin. For there to be no sin, their are only two possibilities: that everyone in existence has decided it to be so (Great), or for an external being (Or something else) to force everyone to abolish sin.

Which is pretty much slavery.

So, since someone decided I was an evil maniac who's never left his house (I mean, its not like I've gone around the god damn globe once, and took a 16 month break in the Middle East, which is in the top 3 shittiest regions on Earth), I make a counter claim - that anyone who says yes to this question is a slaver, someone who's decided that all others are not 'smart' enough to run their own lives, and would be better off if they were all mentally chained to this person's clearly superior mind and moral compass.

...

Obviously, I don't think that last part is true for everyone. But honestly, it probably is for at least one person in this thread.

Basically, I agree with this. I don't want the world to become a boring perfect machine where nothing interesting ever happens and no-one has any choice to do good or bad. I want to experience the full spectrum of life, the good, the bad, the highs and the lows, I don't want to become a -super-happy robot who has no meaning in his life.

 

[DanielDeFig]

I'm saying yes now, even after I tried imagining myself in such a situation.

But truthfully, I can't know for sure what I would do.

 

[thejackyl]

I would say 'No' to that, and not because of the selfish reason of "I no longer exist (more or less)", but because if no one was every unhappy, existence would become boring. Without the negative you can't effectively put the positive into perspective.

It's like that episode of "The Twilight Zone" where this mob boss or something dies and goes to his afterlife, which is a giant casino. Every time he pulled the lever on a slot machine, or spun the roulette wheel he would win. By the end of the episode he had realized he's really in Hell.

now, if it was just an end to violence, crime, war, etc. but we didn't magically make humanity "perfect" (as in, people can still be dicks, bad things happen once in a while, etc.) than I would have to think about it a little more.

 

[Jonluw]

Yes.
Absolutely.
Especially if I am not doomed to wander around invisible or whatever forever, but will actually die in time.
Edit: I don't know if I'd do it if I'd have to live for eternity though.
I can take a lifetime in loneliness if it means a perfect world.
I'm aware of the "you can't experience happiness without sadness" bit; but OP did say that everyone was guaranteed happiness, and I take that to mean that the world is altered in such a way that everyone will experience happiness and complete contentment even though they have nothing to contrast it to.
i.e. I go with the conditions in the OP instead of going on about what the OP says will happen isn't logical. Christ people. Do you have to pick everything apart? After all, it's pretty obvious that we've abandoned logic and laws of nature way down the road here.

Spoiler: But how can you remove all evil from the world without also removing free will? Magic, okay? It's magic.

My theory is that the people who are finding flaws with OP's scenario do so because they are afraid to admit to themselves that they wouldn't be willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of humanity.

 

[retyopy]

I don't have it in me. I'm sorry, but I don't.

 

[DJ_DEnM]

It depends: Can I watch from above? Cause honestly I'd like to see how my family would live without me.

 

[Mandalore_15]

If there were no pain and misery in the world, you wouldn't be able to appreciate the good in it. So no, I wouldn't do it, and I'd be doing the world a favour. ;-)