The egg came before the chicken, but the chicken came BEFORE the CHICKEN egg. Whoa ho ho I added something pointless to this already pointless thread (that's already been added, hence making my post retardedly redundant)
Poll: What came first Chicken or the Egg?
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Raptors.
And once they had reached the peak of Hunter Evolution, they lounged at the top of the food chain for too long, and devolved before they realized what was going wrong. Hence came the chicken. And why we still have cockfights.
And once they had reached the peak of Hunter Evolution, they lounged at the top of the food chain for too long, and devolved before they realized what was going wrong. Hence came the chicken. And why we still have cockfights.
Depends on how you look at it. Evolutionist, the egg. Creationist, the chicken.
This thread feels awful spammy to me, btw
This thread feels awful spammy to me, btw
Interesting thought, though we're talking about a chicken's egg in particular, aren't we? I guess I take that as read even though it's not explicit in the question.Glefistus said:
I heard one answer to this conundrum that went "An Egg is a potential chicken, while a chicken is an actual chicken. As actuality precedes potentiality, the chicken came first."
i'm slightly appalled at how many likely intelligent people voted egg.
while both are delicous only the chicken can run long enough to reproduce,while the egg could suffer any number of possible destructions without a protective chicken around.
while both are delicous only the chicken can run long enough to reproduce,while the egg could suffer any number of possible destructions without a protective chicken around.
This requires more information
Does it have to be a chicken egg?
If not, the egg (dinosaurs)
Doe the egg have to give hatch into a chicken?
Then the egg came first from a very similar ancestor to the modern chicken.
Does the egg have to be laid by a chicken?
Then the chicken from the previously mentioned egg came first before laying a real chicken egg.
Does it have to be a chicken egg?
If not, the egg (dinosaurs)
Doe the egg have to give hatch into a chicken?
Then the egg came first from a very similar ancestor to the modern chicken.
Does the egg have to be laid by a chicken?
Then the chicken from the previously mentioned egg came first before laying a real chicken egg.
*crawls into fetal possition* chicken...egg....egg bocomes chicken....but chicken make egg......*starts to cry*
BrynThomas said:
honestly you had a strong point but i got lost in this comment at "Does the egg have to be laid by aa chicken?" you coulda name heaps of animals who do lay eggs! lizards,snakes as such but what about a spider? the animal has to be there to lay the egg/s. eg dinosaur lays the egg therefore are baby dinosaurs same with the chicken and that what not
Well, but evolution is a constant process and it's difficult to draw the line between "chicken ancestor" and "true chicken". Evolution doesn't happen in such artificial jumps, so where to draw the line between chicken and chicken ancestor?CrystaltheEchidna said:
Birds stem from dinosaurs, so at some point in time we'd have to draw the arbitrary line between "this is still a dinosaur laying the egg" and "this is a bird hatching from it". It's less a problem of evolution itself, more one of how we categorize animals.
Yeesh! Did you bring that big word in here to impress me? I know what it means! *sigh* everyone blundering in with cries of "SIENSE! WOOO!" and missing the point. Consider this:Glefistus said:
"Which came first, X that can't come without Y, or Y that can't come without X?"
That's the underlying form of the dilemma. Chicken or egg is an example from 300-odd BC and true it's lost some of it's relevance as the understanding of chickens and eggs has changed...