Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

[Terminal Blue]

less likely to get caught in the zipper.

Sorry, I had to laugh at this..

It doesn't hang 3 feet from your body. In many cases it doesn't even cover the entire glans.

 

[kurupt87]

Utter shit

You are delusional. Do some research on your o-- Oh right, you probably don't even have any foreskin, so you can't really say what's different, now can you? Hm.. Well, that's bit of an issue here now isn't it?

If you wanna know the truth, ask those who didn't have their foreskin amputated. There's no other way to find out.

If the default state is perfectly fine, and the only thing you add by circumsizing is bad things, then you can by logical reasoning figure out that it's not a good thing to circumsize.

Let me repeat, I can retract my foreskin and be circumsized for a day, you can't pull your skin forward and try being uncircumzised. So arguing against people with foreskin whether it's good or not, is pointless and ultimately useless. We already know how it is to have it, and the sensation of not to have it.


To put things easier, if you wanna know what it's like to have two hands, ask someone who has two hands and stop putting all your trust in the research done by the people with one hand.

Don't be dense, the man makes perfect sense.

You do not know what it's like be circumcised. A circumcised head and a non-circumcised head even look different, not to mention the physiological differences.

His points are rational, even though I disagree with his conclusion.

@SciMal
Using his conclusion; female circumcision, removal of the clitoral hood/labia and not the clitoris, would be ok because it had been done in the past and is part of the culture.

Lube would be used by all these now modern women during sex and there wouldn't be much difference during the act. You'd even get most women protecting it saying it looks nicer and they like the lube.

 

[Raven_Operative]

Exactly. The doctors would freak out if after a child's birth, the parents wanted to cut off part of the baby's earlobe, or the tip of its nose. So why is a penis any more tolerable? Just because members of a widely-accepted religion do it is -not- a sufficient response.

Actually, there is a reason to do it aside from religion. It makes it much easier to keep your wang clean and therefor is beneficial to your hygiene.

http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_outweigh_the_risks.html

 

[Terminal Blue]

Using his conclusion; female circumcision, removal of the clitoral hood/labia and not the clitoris, would be ok because it had been done in the past and is part of the culture.

Lube would be used by all these now modern women during sex and there wouldn't be much difference during the act. You'd even get most women protecting it saying it looks nicer and they like the lube.

To be fair, they'd suffer a far greater loss of sensation even from that than the average circumcised man. The clitoral hood is very sensitive in and of itself.

Not that I don't agree with the point. This is the argument used to defend FGC, and in fact once you dig into it it becomes a surprisingly muddy water. A lot of why we see it as abhorrent is because we read it as evidence of oppression or misogyny against women and girls, whereas actually most people who advocate it and perform the procedure are women who see it as an initiation ritual into the rewards and perks of adult womanhood.

"It's just part of our culture" isn't an argument of itself. Cultural practices still need to justify their existence.

 

[Raven_Operative]

Off with his head!

OMG Hilarious man, hilarious!

 

[Raven_Operative]

Also it's not that hard to keep an uncicrumcised penis clean.

But how many kids under the age of 10 do you know that are always squeaky clean? Sure it isnt hard to, but most kids probably wont care.

 

[Daffy F]

It can help it keep clean, but I'd say keep it unless there is a genuine issue with having it remain (such as a few uncommon medical conditions that require circumcisions).

 

[Daffy F]

If no other reason to have a foreskin matters to you, then I will say this. The foreskin double folding skin layers account for roughly 40-50% of the penis's skin. Your penis can only grow as large as the skin available to it. When you circumcising an infant you are effectively making his penis 40-50% smaller than it could be.

Circumcision makes your penis smaller.

There's so much bullshit in this one paragraph you probably shouldn't comment on any biological issue anymore.

I know it may seem strange, but the skin is an organ and grows to meet the needs of the individual. If skin was restrictive in the way you're implying, nobody would be obese. Ever.

Also, penis size does not vary due to circumcision. It varies due to genetic factors and environmental factors, with slight correlations to HEIGHT and ETHNICITY (which are ALSO genetic and environmentally affected quantitative traits).

Alittle arrogant aren't you? So quick to call bullshit without even looking into whether or not any of what I said had merit. Here [http://www.glorialemay.com/blog/?p=350] you [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/19/health/webmd/main3949777.shtml] go [http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Your-Penis-Is-So-Small---The-Horrors-of-Circumcision&id=2528111]. Skin only grows to an extent and at a staggeringly slow speed which is why the obese have stretch marks. Also the material has to be there in the first place before it can grow to accommodation. Yes, genetics are the determining factor for size, but by cutting off the skin you are limiting the potential size it can grow. Your penis stubs itself to protect itself. If you are lucky. If genetically you have a large penis and circumcised, you may likely not have enough skin for comfortable erections.

If you still think it's all bullshit, then I ask you this: how do you crop/dock dogs? You cut off some skin from the ears/tail. What does it do? Makes the dog's ears/tail a certain shape but it's smaller than what it would've been uncropped/undocked.

Only because you actually cut parts of their ears off. They still grow to the same size, just minus the bits you had chopped off. The same goes for the foreskin.
(Not advocating the docking of ears or tails though, I think it's barbaric)

 

[Raven_Operative]

Also it's not that hard to keep an uncicrumcised penis clean.

But how many kids under the age of 10 do you know that are always squeaky clean? Sure it isnt hard to, but most kids probably wont care.

Do you really think cleanliness is an issue? Its a non issue. Even with kids, its a stupid "benefit." This fear of what could happen with a foreskin is overblown. The same kind of overblown fear that makes people scared of non Christians.

Overblown fear means there is in fact something to be overblown.

It should be a relatively well know fact that if you don't clean something well it will probably get disease or start to deteriorate.

 

[Sewora]

I'm so tired of the bullshit about cleanliness. The foreskin keeps it clean! What is so god damned hard to understand? It serves the same purpose as the eyelids. To keep crap from getting in and destroying the pH balance.

And IF you are so ignorant that you think it's filthier because it's covered, it only takes a millisecond to retract the foreskin. No matter how you argue, you will still be grabbing your penis when you clean it. An extra microsecond of work to do shouldn't matter unless you're the laziest bastard on the planet.

US is the only modern country in the world that has circumsizion as a standard procedure.
That should mean the rest of the world has filthy disgusting penises... We really do?
Well then.. I suppose all the research, experience and knowledge of the world is wrong, oh well... Sorry, we'll try to be more like the third world to appease your illusion of perfection and start violating the rights of children because we think their penises are better off mutilated!

 

[Sewora]

Also it's not that hard to keep an uncicrumcised penis clean.

But how many kids under the age of 10 do you know that are always squeaky clean? Sure it isnt hard to, but most kids probably wont care.

Yet I've never heard of a 10 year old child in this part of the world goes to the hospital for penile problems.. I wonder why.
I have never read or heard it being an issue at all, and my mother is a former nurse.
I also have 6 brothers, all of which are uncircumsized. And none of us has ever had any issues with our penises. We have to be a freak-case family I suppose.

 

[Raven_Operative]

Also it's not that hard to keep an uncicrumcised penis clean.

But how many kids under the age of 10 do you know that are always squeaky clean? Sure it isnt hard to, but most kids probably wont care.

Do you really think cleanliness is an issue? Its a non issue. Even with kids, its a stupid "benefit." This fear of what could happen with a foreskin is overblown. The same kind of overblown fear that makes people scared of non Christians.

Overblown fear means there is in fact something to be overblown.

It should be a relatively well know fact that if you don't clean something well it will probably get disease or start to deteriorate.

Overblown fear is making nothing into something. Its like the damn "terror" scare. Do you really think the moment you step outside someone will fly a plane into your house? Do you really think that zombies will attack your house screaming "allah akbar?" Do you really believe everything is out to get you? That is irrational fear.

Its not that fragile. It will not get infected that easily. Sure, you need to clean it but this mentality of "if its dirty for ONE SECOND it will make me burst into flames" is stupid fear mongering. Hell, the "issues" only effect a meager portion of the population. Hardly something to be so scared of.

Wow... Your just taking what I said and blowing it completely out of proportion.

I never said that if it was dirty for 1 second it would burst into flames, what I was saying is that if it is dirty for an extended period of time, the likely hood of deterioration starts to increase.

Also, sure there were some "terror scares", but that doesn't stop the government from protecting the country from them. Better safe than sorry is a good rule to go by. Personally, (although this may be because I have no manner of luck whatsoever)I would rather have a small bit of skin chopped off the end of my dick than have the possibility of it getting a disease because when i was young, i took a bath about once a month. Simply put, I was an idiot when i was young, and i refuse to believe i'm no the only one out there who was like that.