Poll: What do you think of World of Warcraft?

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hippieshopper said:
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(Warlocks get a teleport spell, really looking forward to that one ^^)
Here's hoping its a portal spell so you guys can suffer with the spam of 'TP TO IF PLZ!'
I hate that. People need to realize that mages aren't vending machines!!
I've got no problem giving out the food and water when in an instance/raid but being a taxi service for a bunch of lazy gits? Nope.
 

GothmogII

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In response to your third paragraph:
Not if you buy your character or are taken through large areas. And honestly, it's not really skill that helps otherwise either. You have gear "A", which is good enough to get gear "B", which then makes you good enough to get gear "C", all the way up to "?", which is the best gear in the game for that specific class.

In response to most of it in general:
Has Blizzard ever actually created a video game? I mean, yeah they have. They produced games, they put their name on games. But have they actually completely created a game from scratch? Even one?

Blizzard was the company put in charge to make the Warhammer RTS game. They used their story, they used their characters, they made a good game. The Warhammer guys decided at the last minute to cancel it. Did Blizzard scrap the idea? No. They made Warcraft! And what spawned off of that? Certainly not Warhammer40k. It's StarCraft! Okay, I know that StarCraft and WH40k have like nothing in common, but it seems a little funny that they made a game that was similar, only in space.

Diablo 1 was going to be made by another company. Blizzard bought them out. They claimed the game as their own.

So that's all three of their game series...
Not one of them begun on their own.

Warcraft II and III are sequels.
Diablo II and III are sequels.
World of Warcrap is a sequel.
StarCraft II will be a sequel. Actually, no it won't. It's going to be like StarCraft 1, but you will have to buy it three more times. Woo!
StarCraft: Ghost isn't even good enough to call a similarity, it's just a blatant rip-off to Command and Conquer: Renegade. A futuristic-based RTS game turned into a FPS game where the main character is a commando who gets to ride in the different tanks, etc, in the RTS game.


On buying characters and the nature of gear: Yes, a lot of people do that, it is however frowned upon, both within the general community, as a sign of stupid or lazy person (i.e. in the way you'd think of someone who cheats) and by Blizzard themselves, who don't actually allow it, and do their best to find, and ban such players. But, as it's been stated by them many times, a lot of that comes from people actually reporting activity against the ToS, otherwise it takes them all that much longer to do anything about it.

As for the gear, if that's what you want out of the game, then go for it, you don't -need- to do anything, yes, if you want to get into the higher content, you've got to have reasonable gear, but, what do you expect? This isn't an FPS, you can't just pick up a gun and rely on your amazing mouse clicking abilities to rush through everything. There are some things they could do a little differently, but this in an -RPG- firstly, what, would you play Fallout, or Oblivion, or Torment, and expect to beat the final boss after an hour of play? No, you'd play the game, get leveled, get gear, -then- go fight the final boss right?

On Blizzard's games: Oh I don't know...Lost Vikings? Blackthorne? Rock N' Roll Racing?

On their other properties: I don't doubt that they are a -business- first and foremost, and that many of their works are somewhat derivative. But so what? What isn't these days? Very little that's what. As for the supposed Warhammer 'ripoff', tell me this, where exactly is this amazing Warhammer RTS you keep...oh, you mean the one that didn't get picked up? The one that Blizzard ran with anyway and made successful. [sarcasm] As opposed to the amazing and critically acclaimed 'Mark of Chaos' or the older 'Shadow of the Horned Rat' or 'Dark Omen', remember those? [/sarcasm]

As for Diablo being 'bought', I'll admit, I'd never heard about that, however, if it's true, there's a word for that: business. This happens everywhere. A company sees a good idea, likes it, buys it. They own it. What's the problem?

On sequels: Now you're just grasping, when something is wildly popular, you want to do your best to extend it, and while some companies do this badly, and go to unreasonable lengths to extend the life of their product, I don't believe Blizzard have fallen into this trap...yet. I don't get it, are you saying sequels are bad? So, no Fallout 3 for you yes? And certainly no Dead Space, given how derivative that is, oh, and no Bio Shock either, or Far Cry 2, or Crysis, cause y'know, that's just Farcry with superpowers.

On Starcraft Ghost: I wasn't aware that was released, nor that any in depth info or pictures has been released since those first screens and trailers, could be wrong, but either way...I'd love to know where you got your copy. :p
 

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On Blizzard's games: Yes, because we've all heard of the games that they -didn't- rip other companies off for.

On their other properties: It's business, but I never called it otherwise. It's not like "business" and "unoriginality" cannot describe the same thing.

On sequels: I'm not grasping. I even looked it up on the wiki. Every one of those games you listed was either a port, an unsuccessful game, or both. The fact that I listed those is because I figured someone would say, "But wait! They completely made StarCraft II all on their own, didn't they??"

On SC Ghost: You're right, it wasn't released. But from the trailers, screenshots, and known information about the game, it's enough to know at least enough information about it to say that it's clearly taken directly out of the same idea. If suddenly Bungee was about to come out with "Halo Bros. Tennis", you'd be a little sceptical, wouldn't you?

On buying characters, items, or in-game currency with real life currency: It's still retarded. It still was advertised on Worldof[warcrap].com. And it still seems to not matter to at least the majority of the game's player population.
 

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I voted yes because I think it will be more of the same, and have so many bugs on release it'll be a week before it's running properly and a few more years before it's vaguely fixed.
 

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it all depends on the balance that blizz put into the game as most players found at BC release there epic gear was replaced by lvl 63. also i am lookin forward to doin attunements for different dungeons/raids as it adds a challange to the game. just because a game is coming up to a new expansion is no reason to make it easyer.
 

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SC Ghost was never released because Blizzard believed it was good for a start but never finished it because it wouldn't live up to Blizzard's Standards.
Diablo 1,2 and soon 3 are completely original. Someone may have thought of the idea but Blizzard then used that idea when the person who thought of it scrapped it. Then they made it one of the most popular games to this day. Starcraft is ubsurdly popular EVERYWHERE. They made a friggin awesome game that Warhammer 40K can't touch.
Also if people were so touchy about "orginality" then why don't they just sue Blizzard for their 150 USD a month, because of them "Copying" their idea?
Stammer your a fool to believe that Blizzard would advertise buying characters. They actually ordered Ebay and such sites to prevent selling items/ characters and such! They also do repeated articles warning people against buying gold and such because most of the time it's a scam. Why would Blizzard promote the "easy way out" when they want you to enjoy the game's content and not rush thru to gain that feeling of, "Ha ha! I am totally awesome and you are not because I spent money to do so!" It's just unfair to the community. Hell, Blizzard put even a Report Spam button so that, in-game, you come across a gold seller that they get reported TO BLIZZARD at that moment of a potential gold farmer.
 

GothmogII

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Stammer said:
On Blizzard's games: Yes, because we've all heard of the games that they -didn't- rip other companies off for.

On their other properties: It's business, but I never called it otherwise. It's not like "business" and "unoriginality" cannot describe the same thing.

On sequels: I'm not grasping. I even looked it up on the wiki. Every one of those games you listed was either a port, an unsuccessful game, or both. The fact that I listed those is because I figured someone would say, "But wait! They completely made StarCraft II all on their own, didn't they??"

On SC Ghost: You're right, it wasn't released. But from the trailers, screenshots, and known information about the game, it's enough to know at least enough information about it to say that it's clearly taken directly out of the same idea. If suddenly Bungee was about to come out with "Halo Bros. Tennis", you'd be a little sceptical, wouldn't you?

On buying characters, items, or in-game currency with real life currency: It's still retarded. It still was advertised on Worldof[warcrap].com. And it still seems to not matter to at least the majority of the game's player population.
Just on the original IPs...when you say rip off...how? I mean...even if WC -was- intended to be an RTS realisation of the Warhammer franchise, one that did -not- come to fruition until after WC itself was released, isn't that like calling any game -based- on say, The Lord of the Rings a rip off? But then, the developers of those games didn't change the source really did they?

So...what? Are you really quibbling over the fact that Games Workshop doesn't have their stamp of approval on it? Would that really make a difference to whether or not you like the games? And, if Games Workshop -did- have a problem with it, where's the stink? The outrage?

As for sequels and other IPs, what I meant was in answer to the question: Do Blizzard have other IPs that are their own. Answer: Yes they do, several. Regardless of whether or not -you- think they were notable or successful, that doesn't erase their existence.

My response on the sequels was simply that: Just because of the fact they are sequels, or even at times derivative, does not make them bad games. Bad games make bad games. And from any Blizzard game I've played, I can't honestly say they've made a bad one so far, but that's of course just my opinion. Of course, there are elements of all of them I don't like, bu t I really can't understand the kind of spitting bile some people get when talking about these things, be it a hated game company, game, or otherwise.

Some people make it sound like murders fresh babies on it's sacrificial altar of money and gore. Really. You play games to have fun. You don't have fun. Don't play! And that isn't to say we shouldn't criticise, just, I don't know, stop acting like you just got raped! (Apologies to any rape victims reading this.)
 

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It'd better be good. I think it will, i'm even reactivating my account and reinstalling as i write this. Will probably get some extra ram. However, it still won't be as good as 'vanilla' WoW..
 

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I'm pretty sure my entire response could be summed-up by the question, "What is an IP?" haha

No, seriously. I know what an "IP Address" is, but I have no idea what it means in what you're saying. And you use it in such a way that I couldn't answer any other response except for one.

That response being that sequels aren't bad games.
And I agree.

Also tinkering a bit with the whole "Stamm is acting like a rape victim" thing, I don't really get that either. On the second of two essays I wrote about why I dislike World of Warcrap, I discussed a lot about why I hate it. It's not so much that the game has terrible graphics or requires no skill or isn't creative. No. It's the fact that it has so many fanboys saying that it has the best graphics, is incredibly skilful, and is the most creative thing since sliced bread.

I don't hate WoW. I actually had fun playing it (before I got bored out of my mind and went back to Final Fantasy XI). But honestly, people take the game like it's their Lord and Savior. I'm sure that's why the way it goes is you either hate it with a passion or love it with everything you've got. Because those who hate it, hate it because everyone who loves it won't shut up about it.
 

GothmogII

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Stammer said:
I'm pretty sure my entire response could be summed-up by the question, "What is an IP?" haha

No, seriously. I know what an "IP Address" is, but I have no idea what it means in what you're saying. And you use it in such a way that I couldn't answer any other response except for one.

That response being that sequels aren't bad games.
And I agree.

Also tinkering a bit with the whole "Stamm is acting like a rape victim" thing, I don't really get that either. On the second of two essays I wrote about why I dislike World of Warcrap, I discussed a lot about why I hate it. It's not so much that the game has terrible graphics or requires no skill or isn't creative. No. It's the fact that it has so many fanboys saying that it has the best graphics, is incredibly skilful, and is the most creative thing since sliced bread.

I don't hate WoW. I actually had fun playing it (before I got bored out of my mind and went back to Final Fantasy XI). But honestly, people take the game like it's their Lord and Savior. I'm sure that's why the way it goes is you either hate it with a passion or love it with everything you've got. Because those who hate it, hate it because everyone who loves it won't shut up about it.
Thank you for clearing that up. Sorry...I read to much into emotion as expressed on the internet... A lot of !'s for example I tend to read as..well, anger. Sorry about that ^^'

As for IP = Intellectual property, an umbrella term for various legal entitlements which attach to certain names, written and recorded media, and inventions /wiki
 

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How is it expected to turn out? I mean because there's two parties here, there's Party 1, who think the expansion will be great and full of new stuff to grind away at, and Party B, who have realized that all there is to do is grind away until level 80, then grind away getting better stuff...

P.S. I know I did it on purpose...
 

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Interesting thing about the original Warcraft game, it was originally a Warhammer Game yes but only early on in production. Games Workshop didn't like that Blizzard was changing alot of things and so gave up on the project so Blizzard just decided to keep going anyway. As a result it's not any more similar to Warhammer as it is to any other Tolkien-esque setting.
 

Stammer

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Encarta said:
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I guess Encarta doesn't have everything that Wikia does lol.

Though to be honest, I really don't have anything different to say than I already have. I think I dislike Blizzard for a similar reason as I do WoW, and that is that it is indirectly. I think I dislike Blizzard because it's literally thriving off of only like three games in its entire existence: Diablo II, StarCraft, and Warcraft III. And they really just feel like a lazy company. They haven't made a single game since WoW. StarCraft II is soon to be released, but they totally discarded all of the new content and split it into three different parts. And after looking at WoW, I don't think Blizzard would screw themselves over with Diablo III. I've actually made bets that D3 is going to either cost money to play or is going to be severely lacking in many aspects. And to me, that's not the sign of a good company.
 

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Sorry to join this late but, Stammer could you please stop calling it World of Warcrap? It just makes you come across as childish.
 

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TOFUM4ST3R said:
Stammer said:
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By the way, "World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King" sound nothing like "The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle Earth II: Rise of the Witch (Not Litch, which is not an actual word) King." For one thing, it is more succinct.

(My apologies if this offends anyone, I just want to correct some fallacies.)
lich is an actual word. its from the german "leiche" meaning corpse.

i play wow as it was meant, so i presume, as a game. it hasnt taken over my life. i play when i feel like. i think the expansion wont pull too many new players in but it should give the established players some new things to play with and complain about in general chat.
 

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I'm a Wow player, but that doesn't mean I'm a blinded fanboy.
Yes Wow isn't without it's foibles, but on the whole it's a good game. It's made even better if you can find a guild with like-minded players who enjoy raiding and chilling out (in my case, I was never the PVP whore).
As for WotLK, people winge about how theyre gear is going to be obselete, but people would complain even more if Blizzard didn't update their game with new content, and an expansion is a great way to get people excited about the game again and introduce loads of cool new stuff.
I often wonder where all the hate for Wow comes from, so I like to put it down to the fact that people don't seem to like the popular choice or market leaders (see MS, Halo and any popular music band that is slighly off someone's personal taste). These days it's cool to hate Wow, but I don't care, I enjoy the game and that's enough for me. Someone endlessly spewing needless hate isn't going to change me, which is why I myself don't do it, I'm a positive guy :)
Oh yeah Lich King, I'm looking forward to it anyhow, should be great.
 

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Let me start off by saying that I was a Hardcore raider. For nearly the entirety of TBC I was in the higher end side of raiding guilds. My guild was serious enough to say "Yes you have to attend 95% of the raids, and yes you need to dedicate time to help the guild progress as a whole." We didn't wake up at 9am in the morning to start early morning raiding. Walking around in my PVE gear to me was my trophy. It was a symbol of the accomplishments that my guild and I have made.

I spent a lot of my time to reach a goal that was not only time consuming, but actually challenging to attain; only to have everything my guild worked for trivialized. After playing the Wrath of the Lich King beta, I just lost my desires to play. When we downed Illidan for the first time it actually meant something. I feel as though these accomplishments were essentially torn away from us when they nerfed most of the bosses into nothingness.

Blizzard's new idea of "Give everyone everything" is fundamentally flawed. Hybrid classes are now able to compete with DPS classes on a DPS basis. So now rolling a Druid is worth way more then rolling a Warlock. That Druid can fill another roll in a raid by simply respeccing. Granted they need the gear to support it, but gear isn't hard to get in WoW anymore. A Warlock can't respec to fill any healing roll, or tanking roll at all. They deal damage and that's all.

The utility that kept Hybrid classes in raids (Shaman totems, buffs, debuffs) were essentially spread out throughout all the classes. Problem is, Hybrids still have the added utility of being able to change their role in a raid by changing gear sets and spec. So really pure DPS classes now got the shaft. When it comes to high end raiding every little bit counts. Essentially the game is broken for me. It caters to casual gamers rather well, but for me as a devoted player, It's just not worth my time anymore.

Why should I play now since my goal has always been to go for the best. Now in WoW you can't be the best. Everyone and their sister has the full Tier 6 set. All I can say now is "Hey I beat Mother Sharaz before she was nerfed, woohoo!."
 

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Stammer said:
Encarta said:
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I guess Encarta doesn't have everything that Wikia does lol.

Though to be honest, I really don't have anything different to say than I already have. I think I dislike Blizzard for a similar reason as I do WoW, and that is that it is indirectly. I think I dislike Blizzard because it's literally thriving off of only like three games in its entire existence: Diablo II, StarCraft, and Warcraft III. And they really just feel like a lazy company. They haven't made a single game since WoW. StarCraft II is soon to be released, but they totally discarded all of the new content and split it into three different parts. And after looking at WoW, I don't think Blizzard would screw themselves over with Diablo III. I've actually made bets that D3 is going to either cost money to play or is going to be severely lacking in many aspects. And to me, that's not the sign of a good company.
I dislike Blizzard because it's literally thriving off of only like three games in its entire existence: Diablo II, StarCraft, and Warcraft III.
Blizzard's entire existence =/= the past 5 years. Blizzard is an old company.

They haven't made a single game since WoW.
Uh, Starcraft 2? Diablo 3? The former has been in development a loooong time. What do you want them to do? Divert resources from these games and pump out some mediochre crap so that they can say that they made something?

tarCraft II is soon to be released, but they totally discarded all of the new content and split it into three different parts.
Discarded new content? What?

I've actually made bets that D3 is going to either cost money to play or is going to be severely lacking in many aspects. And to me, that's not the sign of a good company.
... that's not the sign of a bad company that's a sign of you hating Blizzard and believing it will do bad things based on... nothing. What evidence is there that Diablo 3 will be lacking? Gameplay videos? Something said in an interview? I know it's not from past reputation because I have never known Blizzard to release a sub-standard game.