Poll: What if you were forced into military?

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angryscotsman93 said:
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asiepshtain said:
Whatever they think I could do the most good in, its what I did when I was drafted for real.

It disappoints me to see such a low level of courage here sometimes, either you fight or someone else has to fight for you. We all die eventually, better to live a shorter life of meaning then twenty more years as a coward which serves nothing but himself.
Or humans could just not fight.
Hmmm... you've yet to be tainted by the inevitable knowledge that human nature prevents mankind from being a peaceful race... Interesting...
Other animals don't go to war. They may fight sometimes, but they don't go to war.
Well, then again, you're comparing us to creatures with lower cognitive functions, smaller populations, and readier access to food than us. Simply because we don't see lions marching in formations and roaring cadences doesn't mean that we should see them as paragons of peace; this simply means that they lack the intellect to understand the concept of "war" as we humans know it.

Here's an example: Let's say there are two prides of lions on the savanna. One of the tribes controls the savanna's only local watering hole. As a result, those lions have access not only to the most water, but also to more prey, as they attack the grazing animals coming in for sustenance. One day, the other lion pride is caught encroaching on their territory, heading for the watering hole to hunt and drink. A little fight breaks out, and the "invading" pride is driven away. Now, while this may seem similar to human conflict, there are some key differences, the largest of which is the intention of the aggressor pride. The invading pride simply wanted to make use of the watering hole; it had no intention of holding the terrain forever. When seeing the hole's advantages, the pride only recognized the immediate concerns of water and food, and didn't notice the long-term advantages or consequences of continued ownership of the hole.

Now, let's replace the prides with two clans of humans in Europe. One group of humans lives on land that is difficult to farm- non-nutritious soil, no loam or peat to spread over the area, no grazing territory for farm animals, et cetera ad infinitum. The other group lives on excellent land- nutritious soil, great grazing land, plenty of natural resources at their disposal, and so on. After some months of planning, the clan in crappy land attacks their better-off neighbors, driving them away and rebuilding their village on the newly-won good land. Now, in this scenario, the goal of the human tribe wasn't just to temporarily control the area- the clan's goal was to permanently control the land. The human group had recognized the far-reaching strategic and economic benefits of controlling that land, whereas the lion pride did not.

The difference wasn't that the lions were a bunch of tambourine-shaking beatniks and the humans were all poor hapless by-products of the industrio-military complex; the difference was that one group had access to the necessary cognitive abilities to recognize long-lasting bonuses to a scenario in which the other group would be unable to recognize said benefits.

See what I'm saying,PersianLlama? Oh, yes, and ince you're advocating peace and I'm in the NJROTC, I feel the need to say this: Get a haircut, hippie!

You think that's stupid, I call a guy in or unit a "godless Bolshevik sonuvabitch" for fun.

Humans just might have the intelligence to share the land and provide resources to help eachother. Oh, and my hair is pretty short.

I don't quite get the last comments, were you trying to insult me...Or...?
 

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This poll doesn't take into account that you could join the Air Force or Navy
I thought that Combat Support/Long Range support pretty much covered that.

Hell, at least the original post acknowledged the fact there are a lot of non-combatant jobs in the military, something most people in the "Would you join the military?" recent thread(or for that matter, the general public) seemed to be quite unaware of.
 

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dukethepcdr said:
Given my physical problems, especially my bad back and vision, I'd probably fail basic training. Might even end up getting kicked out under section 8.

If they'd let me do work with computers and electronics equipment away from the actual battle zone, I might be helpful to them in a war though.
You can wear glasses/contacts in the military, you know? Except if you are a pilot, maybe special forces. Bad back? Iffy. I have two roommates right now who suffer from back problems and are both in the Navy(Granted, I don't know if they had those before they joined).

And I'm pretty sure all branches have Technicians. Some work closer to the battle zone then others(Naval technicians work wherever the ship is, which could be in a battle zone or not depending on the situation). Granted, no US naval warship has been shot at in decades.
 

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bloodmage2 said:
i'd become a military engineer, or at least an AI programmer, i can't fight so save my life(quite literally), but i can program and build things.
Believe it or not anything that deals with computers or advanced technolgy that involves programing, etc, are awesome career fields in the military (at least the US) Since it has such a hard time keeping the people it trained to stay in, they tend to off decent bonuses to hold out for the long haul.

All but data entry stuff that is.
 

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I'd pick up and leave. My family and me don't get along. Friend are all over the world anyway. Everything I own can be place in my trunk. Only thing keep me her is lazyness. Plus no way am I going to die for a country I don't care about.
 

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Asdrubaal said:
Im from a peacefull an neutral country no way we will ever get into a war :p
Peaceful neutral country like Georgia?

Yeah, me to actually, and I only served for 15 minutes.
 

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angryscotsman93 said:
Psepha said:
I'm not convinced by some of the options such as behind the lines support where you'd never have to touch a weapon... I know that in Britain, even the cooks in the navy are made to train in weaponary.
But that aside, assuming it was possible, I'd take something like civilian service where I never had to touch a gun. Ever. I'm not going to pretend it's for some noble reason such as killing is wrong, or disagreeing with war. It's because few things terrify me more than guns.
And what's wrong with that? You're getting paid as military personnel and you'll be feeding troops near the front, so if some enemies decide to crash the dinner party, you should be able to defend your shipmates and let the U.K. government get their money's worth. It's much the same in every military: regardless of your job, you receive weapons training.
Well, my point was that I can't even bring myself to hold a gun. I'm seriously terrified of the things.
 

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Danzaivar said:
asiepshtain said:
Whatever they think I could do the most good in, its what I did when I was drafted for real.

It disappoints me to see such a low level of courage here sometimes, either you fight or someone else has to fight for you. We all die eventually, better to live a shorter life of meaning then twenty more years as a coward which serves nothing but himself.
So you would have served in the Nazi army to protect Germany as the allies pounded down on it? Better to live a short life of meaning right?

Christ it's people like you who don't question the direction of a country which make the world a dangerous place.

The Christians in the Crusades...
The Muslims in the Crusades...
The Americans who deposed a king, won, and were smart enough to realize that they still needed a strong central government...
The French who deposed a king, won, and weren't...
The French who fought under Napolean, even while realizing he was attempting to be Emperor...
The German people who fought for the fatherland despite not believing in the Nazi Party...
General Robert E. Lee who fought for Virginia against the Union despite not believing in the Cause...
The Confederate army who fought with him (including the Negro detachments) who understood that their livelihood was at stake...
The Russians who fought, starved and died at Leningrad and Stalingrad...
The Poles who fought to the last man...
The Catholics, Swiss, Austrians, and Czechs who understood that nothing would be gained by directly resisting the Axis...
The American soldiers who served in Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq...
The unnumbered Samurai who died defending the Code of Bushido...


Make this world less dangerous than the one uneducated idiot who would rather lay down his sword then take it up and fight for that which is precious to him and his beliefs, all for the sake of a peace wrapped in silence, death, and slavery. ;)
 

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In Norway we have this primitive mental sickness of an policy named "Conscription", I managed to steer clear of it, so I have a paper stating I'm not good enough for armed service. As long as I got that, our army can't touch me to get me in. <w<
 

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Trace2010 said:
Danzaivar said:
asiepshtain said:
Whatever they think I could do the most good in, its what I did when I was drafted for real.

It disappoints me to see such a low level of courage here sometimes, either you fight or someone else has to fight for you. We all die eventually, better to live a shorter life of meaning then twenty more years as a coward which serves nothing but himself.
So you would have served in the Nazi army to protect Germany as the allies pounded down on it? Better to live a short life of meaning right?

Christ it's people like you who don't question the direction of a country which make the world a dangerous place.

The Christians in the Crusades...
The Muslims in the Crusades...
The Americans who deposed a king, won, and were smart enough to realize that they still needed a strong central government...
The French who deposed a king, won, and weren't...
The French who fought under Napolean, even while realizing he was attempting to be Emperor...
The German people who fought for the fatherland despite not believing in the Nazi Party...
General Robert E. Lee who fought for Virginia against the Union despite not believing in the Cause...
The Confederate army who fought with him (including the Negro detachments) who understood that their livelihood was at stake...
The Russians who fought, starved and died at Leningrad and Stalingrad...
The Poles who fought to the last man...
The Catholics, Swiss, Austrians, and Czechs who understood that nothing would be gained by directly resisting the Axis...
The American soldiers who served in Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq...
The unnumbered Samurai who died defending the Code of Bushido...


Make this world less dangerous than the one uneducated idiot who would rather lay down his sword then take it up and fight for that which is precious to him and his beliefs, all for the sake of a peace wrapped in silence, death, and slavery. ;)
Erm, I was on about people fighting regardless of the cause, your post was a list of people fighting for a cause.

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing (Or did you just want to get that post off of your chest?)
 

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id get a navy recruiter 2 sign my card so i would b on a ship, if that doesn't work id defiantly b on the front like owning noobs and knifing people in the back
 

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definately frontline. it will probably be simple, no paperwork, no inspections,
and so what if ur being shot at? they'll probably never hit. only the guys who show pictures of their families get hit. 10,000 movies cant all be wrong
 

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Danzaivar said:
Trace2010 said:
Danzaivar said:
asiepshtain said:
Whatever they think I could do the most good in, its what I did when I was drafted for real.

It disappoints me to see such a low level of courage here sometimes, either you fight or someone else has to fight for you. We all die eventually, better to live a shorter life of meaning then twenty more years as a coward which serves nothing but himself.
So you would have served in the Nazi army to protect Germany as the allies pounded down on it? Better to live a short life of meaning right?

Christ it's people like you who don't question the direction of a country which make the world a dangerous place.

The Christians in the Crusades...
The Muslims in the Crusades...
The Americans who deposed a king, won, and were smart enough to realize that they still needed a strong central government...
The French who deposed a king, won, and weren't...
The French who fought under Napolean, even while realizing he was attempting to be Emperor...
The German people who fought for the fatherland despite not believing in the Nazi Party...
General Robert E. Lee who fought for Virginia against the Union despite not believing in the Cause...
The Confederate army who fought with him (including the Negro detachments) who understood that their livelihood was at stake...
The Russians who fought, starved and died at Leningrad and Stalingrad...
The Poles who fought to the last man...
The Catholics, Swiss, Austrians, and Czechs who understood that nothing would be gained by directly resisting the Axis...
The American soldiers who served in Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq...
The unnumbered Samurai who died defending the Code of Bushido...


Make this world less dangerous than the one uneducated idiot who would rather lay down his sword then take it up and fight for that which is precious to him and his beliefs, all for the sake of a peace wrapped in silence, death, and slavery. ;)
Erm, I was on about people fighting regardless of the cause, your post was a list of people fighting for a cause.

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing (Or did you just want to get that post off of your chest?)
To be honest, everyone fights for a cause they find worthwhile, even if it is to simply bring back the most kills.
My point is that people's motivations to fight in war often differ from the overall goals of the realm they fight for. There is no differentiation between the two categories you're trying to separate.