lol i dont think i would get past the psychiatric part Ive had these thoughts.... oh god all the blood...anyway as i was saying running scenarios constintley in your head of fighting and killing hearing the screaming of your victims as they plead for death...anyways i would probably go front lines for the whole war thing.A random person said:
Poll: What if you were forced into military?
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Well, then again, you're comparing us to creatures with lower cognitive functions, smaller populations, and readier access to food than us. Simply because we don't see lions marching in formations and roaring cadences doesn't mean that we should see them as paragons of peace; this simply means that they lack the intellect to understand the concept of "war" as we humans know it.PersianLlama said:
Here's an example: Let's say there are two prides of lions on the savanna. One of the tribes controls the savanna's only local watering hole. As a result, those lions have access not only to the most water, but also to more prey, as they attack the grazing animals coming in for sustenance. One day, the other lion pride is caught encroaching on their territory, heading for the watering hole to hunt and drink. A little fight breaks out, and the "invading" pride is driven away. Now, while this may seem similar to human conflict, there are some key differences, the largest of which is the intention of the aggressor pride. The invading pride simply wanted to make use of the watering hole; it had no intention of holding the terrain forever. When seeing the hole's advantages, the pride only recognized the immediate concerns of water and food, and didn't notice the long-term advantages or consequences of continued ownership of the hole.
Now, let's replace the prides with two clans of humans in Europe. One group of humans lives on land that is difficult to farm- non-nutritious soil, no loam or peat to spread over the area, no grazing territory for farm animals, et cetera ad infinitum. The other group lives on excellent land- nutritious soil, great grazing land, plenty of natural resources at their disposal, and so on. After some months of planning, the clan in crappy land attacks their better-off neighbors, driving them away and rebuilding their village on the newly-won good land. Now, in this scenario, the goal of the human tribe wasn't just to temporarily control the area- the clan's goal was to permanently control the land. The human group had recognized the far-reaching strategic and economic benefits of controlling that land, whereas the lion pride did not.
The difference wasn't that the lions were a bunch of tambourine-shaking beatniks and the humans were all poor hapless by-products of the industrio-military complex; the difference was that one group had access to the necessary cognitive abilities to recognize long-lasting bonuses to a scenario in which the other group would be unable to recognize said benefits.
See what I'm saying,PersianLlama? Oh, yes, and ince you're advocating peace and I'm in the NJROTC, I feel the need to say this: Get a haircut, hippie!
You think that's stupid, I call a guy in or unit a "godless Bolshevik sonuvabitch" for fun.
Personally, I'd choose long range. Long training time, but even in games, I'd much rather snipe, than mix it up close range. I'd ask if I could receive front line training too though, just so if I happened to get stuck, I'm not fucked. [Although, I'd say a sniper could take out a fair few front line men if needed]
Besides, snipers get sent out to take out high-value targets, so I'd feel better morally. I'd much rather kill some mother-fucker who started this whole affair than to kill some poor sap who was forced to serve.
Besides, snipers get sent out to take out high-value targets, so I'd feel better morally. I'd much rather kill some mother-fucker who started this whole affair than to kill some poor sap who was forced to serve.
For the last time, Where did you people get the idea that sniping was long-range combat?
For that matter, where did you get the idea that in a drafting scenario any of you would be snipers? Snipers take a long and arduous training to become the best shooters in the world. And even when you have to be in something like the top 10% in the army already to even try for sniper training, the fail percentage for the training is over 50%.
Long range combat was meant as artillery, missiles, and ground-support actions for fighters and bombers, possibly as naval service as well.
Belonging to long range combat means that if you have any say in the matter, you will never, ever be closer than 10 miles to the enemy and will actually never even see them. Long range combat means you pull a lever and 25 miles away an enemy takes cover.
I can uderstand some people doing it as a joke, others because they don't understand the reality of the matter, but get the notion out of your heads: sniping isn't long range combat and no more than 0,1% of drafted personnel could even hope to have a serious chance to pass the initial tests for sniper school.
When I made the OP I thought this was self-explanatory, but apparently not.
Also, wouldn't be drafted due to poor results in psych-tests? Then it would simply mean (this is a drafting situation people) that you would be trained in a meanial task, instead of sending you back home. You would work in spare-part factories, fill up sandbags, aid the cooks by peeling potatoes and chopping up vegetables. You would be trained, you would be used as long as there is any job for you. Flat feet, almost total deafness, fear of blood and nearsightedness are not obstacles that mean complete rejection from the draft, they would simply mean you would do one of the tasks were they are not a factor.
/Rant.
For that matter, where did you get the idea that in a drafting scenario any of you would be snipers? Snipers take a long and arduous training to become the best shooters in the world. And even when you have to be in something like the top 10% in the army already to even try for sniper training, the fail percentage for the training is over 50%.
Long range combat was meant as artillery, missiles, and ground-support actions for fighters and bombers, possibly as naval service as well.
Belonging to long range combat means that if you have any say in the matter, you will never, ever be closer than 10 miles to the enemy and will actually never even see them. Long range combat means you pull a lever and 25 miles away an enemy takes cover.
I can uderstand some people doing it as a joke, others because they don't understand the reality of the matter, but get the notion out of your heads: sniping isn't long range combat and no more than 0,1% of drafted personnel could even hope to have a serious chance to pass the initial tests for sniper school.
When I made the OP I thought this was self-explanatory, but apparently not.
Also, wouldn't be drafted due to poor results in psych-tests? Then it would simply mean (this is a drafting situation people) that you would be trained in a meanial task, instead of sending you back home. You would work in spare-part factories, fill up sandbags, aid the cooks by peeling potatoes and chopping up vegetables. You would be trained, you would be used as long as there is any job for you. Flat feet, almost total deafness, fear of blood and nearsightedness are not obstacles that mean complete rejection from the draft, they would simply mean you would do one of the tasks were they are not a factor.
/Rant.
Just courious...why go off of current conflicts. I think the OP was intended to be on the fact of "if" your nation was going to be invaded by a military/alliance that would have a chance of destruction of it.doomdiver_16 said:
And as such if you don't believe that is a cause worth fighting for, what cause would you fight for?
If I had to do training it would be long range, but if I had an honest choice I would do civil service n haul ass out of there soon as.
/cowardice
/cowardice
if forced...I'd see what i could do maybe...
i like doing my best in everything lately =D i don't know what I'd be best at though XD...
i like doing my best in everything lately =D i don't know what I'd be best at though XD...
Theres several ways to get away woth choosing none of the above. If the draft is sortof like in Denmark you can just find some way to make it look like you suffer rom some injury or other stuff.
I was called "unfit" for military service when i was at the draft, because i was using an inhaler at the time. I had abad cough and the doc gave me an inhaler, which is also used for people with astma. When i shoved itr to the draft-docter he said they couldn't use me, but i could join if i wanted if i ever got off the inhaler. a month after my own doc said it wasn't astma after all, justa bad cold cough something and I got the inhaler taken away after having used it for only three months. I was glad, the military in Denmark pays really bad and i'm not really into war at all.
fail the IQ test or something, perhaps you can smoke weed just before entering the draft, and they'll call you unfit for beeing a junkie or something.
I was called "unfit" for military service when i was at the draft, because i was using an inhaler at the time. I had abad cough and the doc gave me an inhaler, which is also used for people with astma. When i shoved itr to the draft-docter he said they couldn't use me, but i could join if i wanted if i ever got off the inhaler. a month after my own doc said it wasn't astma after all, justa bad cold cough something and I got the inhaler taken away after having used it for only three months. I was glad, the military in Denmark pays really bad and i'm not really into war at all.
fail the IQ test or something, perhaps you can smoke weed just before entering the draft, and they'll call you unfit for beeing a junkie or something.
え、本当に？わーいわーい！^^ae86gamer said:I'm also half Japanese. Don't worry your not a coward. I would do the same thing to XDSimalacrum said:well, i'm half Japanese so i'd toddle off over there if a war started
why yes, yes I am a coward ^^
Either civilian service or Combat support, depending on what the crisis was. If it was something I agreed with, then I'd go into Combat support. I'm unlikely to get into any frontline duty on the account of a health condition, but I'd do my part.
If it was some crap I felt was not worth fighting for or utterly unneccesary, I'd go into civilian duty and get it over with.
If it was some crap I felt was not worth fighting for or utterly unneccesary, I'd go into civilian duty and get it over with.
Given my physical problems, especially my bad back and vision, I'd probably fail basic training. Might even end up getting kicked out under section 8.
If they'd let me do work with computers and electronics equipment away from the actual battle zone, I might be helpful to them in a war though.
If they'd let me do work with computers and electronics equipment away from the actual battle zone, I might be helpful to them in a war though.
What reason?
There's no definite answer, if it was really a global threat like the World Wars, I'd serve.
But, if it was more of a policing action like Afghanistan or a good for the world kinda thing like Iraq is supposed to be, then no, there should never be a draft for that.
It all really depends on if a draft is justified.
There's no definite answer, if it was really a global threat like the World Wars, I'd serve.
But, if it was more of a policing action like Afghanistan or a good for the world kinda thing like Iraq is supposed to be, then no, there should never be a draft for that.
It all really depends on if a draft is justified.
