Poll: What is Real? (My first post. yay?)

[QuidProQuo]

Oh, and a little bit more to add.... anyone could be right in a topic like this. So please feel free to add something.

I'll add something.
Go read the Book or Revelation again.

You misinterpreted almost every reference to it that you made.

Try again.

Ok, so your interpretation of the book is the most absolute and accurate? Then give me a couple corrections... I am SO willing to hear them.

I did not say absolute and accurate.

Corrections?
First of all, God himself isn't going to lead the army to defeat Satan.
I would incourage you to not buy into a certain large church's deliberate mistranslations and misinterpretations. coughCatholicscough

And if you admit your interpretation is not the true form of which the idea the book was conveying, then you have no right telling me I am misjudging the material.

 

[QuidProQuo]

If you must know, I don't accept any random society's beliefs until it is a proven fact. I'm not even Catholic. I'm undecided with my creed at the moment and people like you don't make my decision any easier.

So you just happen to use the Catholic method of interpreting Revelation when you 'don't accept any random society's beliefs until it is a proven fact.'

Nice.

I use this particular form because it makes the most sense. And just because I use the method doesn't mean i belong to the society.

 

[Berethond]

Oh, and a little bit more to add.... anyone could be right in a topic like this. So please feel free to add something.

I'll add something.
Go read the Book or Revelation again.

You misinterpreted almost every reference to it that you made.

Try again.

Ok, so your interpretation of the book is the most absolute and accurate? Then give me a couple corrections... I am SO willing to hear them.

I did not say absolute and accurate.

Corrections?
First of all, God himself isn't going to lead the army to defeat Satan.
I would incourage you to not buy into a certain large church's deliberate mistranslations and misinterpretations. coughCatholicscough

And if you admit your interpretation is not the true form of which the idea the book was conveying, then you have no right telling me I am misjudging the material.

True form?
There's a different between "Not correct in the least bit because they edited it to make it what they wanted" and "Not absolutely perfect."

 

[Berethond]

If you must know, I don't accept any random society's beliefs until it is a proven fact. I'm not even Catholic. I'm undecided with my creed at the moment and people like you don't make my decision any easier.

So you just happen to use the Catholic method of interpreting Revelation when you 'don't accept any random society's beliefs until it is a proven fact.'

Nice.

I use this particular form because it makes the most sense. And just because I use the method doesn't mean i belong to the society.

And how many other forms have you seen/read/learned about?
Have you even read the Book of Revelation?

And, doesn't it? If you use find one part of the interpretation valid, wouldn't it follow tha the rest would be as well?

 

[QuidProQuo]

And if you admit your interpretation is not the true form of which the idea the book was conveying, then you have no right telling me I am misjudging the material.

True form?
There's a different between "Not correct in the least bit because they edited it to make it what they wanted" and "Not absolutely perfect."

Worthless comment, i must say. The book obviously had tons of messages to send to the reader but they must all share one common purpose. It's the reader's responsibility to be able to acknowledge those themes and apply them in what way they seem fit.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Oh, and a little bit more to add.... anyone could be right in a topic like this. So please feel free to add something.

I'll add something.
Go read the Book or Revelation again.

You misinterpreted almost every reference to it that you made.

Try again.

Ok, so your interpretation of the book is the most absolute and accurate? Then give me a couple corrections... I am SO willing to hear them.

I did not say absolute and accurate.

Corrections?
First of all, God himself isn't going to lead the army to defeat Satan.
I would incourage you to not buy into a certain large church's deliberate mistranslations and misinterpretations. coughCatholicscough

Isn't the book of revelations about the persecution of the people that believed in jesus and what not by the romans? Not an actual apocalypse.

 

[QuidProQuo]

Seriously? Really? That's what you're using to discount my entire opinion?

Wikipedia should serve as a starting point for you to do your own research. I didn't post it to tell you off or serve as some kind of ultimate argument finisher. But, if you find something there that appears competently written, has sources, and challenges your traditional view on these topics then you owe it to yourself to do further research.

If not, then, well at worst I walk away from this discussion a little annoyed. You walk away from it ignorant. Your choice.

Wikipedia, being your "haven" for information, is a publicly run website that anyone can add information to. I'm not excluded you altogether. I respect any reply. Give me a site that is run by a college or library, then i will research and judge when i have time.

Searched around for a while, haven't found anything specifically through a library or college yet. Honestly, not sure that either one of those institutions would devote a significant online presence to the topic unless they happened to be supported by whichever religion is in question.

Not wanting to leave you empty-handed, however, I will suggest this:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Testament-Extensive-Notes-Meaning/dp/0980443008/ref=pd_sim_b_4

"The Source New Testament with Extensive Notes on Greek Word Meaning contains abundant and detailed documentation for the meaning of hundreds of Greek words which appear in the New Testament. The Source is the only N.T. translation based on word meaning evidence from the recently discovered papyri and inscriptions. For centuries, translators had to guess the meaning of hundreds of N.T. words. After 1976, huge numbers of papyri and inscriptions were discovered containing these N.T. words in everyday documentation thus revealing their meaning. The Source is the only New Testament translation by a Classical Greek scholar (rather than theologian) and not financed or translated by a committee of a specific denomination."

Thank you sir, I hope you didn't take my comment offensively.

 

[Berethond]

Oh, and a little bit more to add.... anyone could be right in a topic like this. So please feel free to add something.

I'll add something.
Go read the Book or Revelation again.

You misinterpreted almost every reference to it that you made.

Try again.

Ok, so your interpretation of the book is the most absolute and accurate? Then give me a couple corrections... I am SO willing to hear them.

I did not say absolute and accurate.

Corrections?
First of all, God himself isn't going to lead the army to defeat Satan.
I would incourage you to not buy into a certain large church's deliberate mistranslations and misinterpretations. coughCatholicscough

Isn't the book of revelations about the persecution of christian groups by the Romans?

....
No, it's about the end of the world.

 

[philzibit]

FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER FTW!

I don't get religion, it's something people base there entire life around, but it's also something with no evidence to prove it's "real" or not.

Whatever makes people happy though, if religion makes people feel better about what they do and how they live, power to them. As long as it doesn't interfere with other peoples happiness. (which, unfortunately, it usually does)

 

[EchetusXe]

Wikipedia, being your "haven" for information, is a publicly run website that anyone can add information to. I'm not excluded you altogether. I respect any reply. Give me a site that is run by a college or library, then i will research and judge when i have time.

Sounds like elitist bullshit to me.

Seriously, what the fuck are you doing? Your debating religion on a video game website and accepting only academic papers as something worth reading. Oh, not to mention the opinions of random strangers.

Here, I'll copy and paste a part of the guys links for you:

[Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books". Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." "Martin Luther found it an offensive piece of work" and "John Calvin had grave doubts about its value."]

There, now your computer isn't affected by the inferior cookies of non-college/non-gaming websites. Or would you prefer me to mail you Ingersoll, Jefferson, Martin Luther and Calvin's original manuscripts?

 

[QuidProQuo]

Wikipedia, being your "haven" for information, is a publicly run website that anyone can add information to. I'm not excluded you altogether. I respect any reply. Give me a site that is run by a college or library, then i will research and judge when i have time.

Sounds like elitist bullshit to me.

Seriously, what the fuck are you doing? Your debating religion on a video game website and accepting only academic papers as something worth reading. Oh, not to mention the opinions of random strangers.

Here, I'll copy and paste a part of the guys links for you:

[Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books". Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." "Martin Luther found it an offensive piece of work" and "John Calvin had grave doubts about its value."]

There, now your computer isn't affected by the inferior cookies of non-college/non-gaming websites. Or would you prefer me to mail you Ingersoll, Jefferson, Martin Luther and Calvin's original manuscripts?

If you really want to make the point of me debating religion on this site, know what forum your in. Last time i checked, this is off-topic conversation. I've had trouble with sourcing Wikipedia before and i haven't trusted the site since. I find it an overused alternative to thoroughly researching a topic. No offense.


EDIT: And it's not like i am going to block out everyone else just because their beliefs differ from mine. So i respect others opinions, but i may not agree.

 

[Rensenhito]

Personally, I don't adhere to any sort of belief system. Belief leads to extremism.

 

[QuidProQuo]

Personally, I don't adhere to any sort of belief system. Belief leads to extremism.

Good Point. Extremists much like the conflicts in the Middle East?

 

[QuidProQuo]

Thank you for pointing this out, PPSaurus. I understand what your saying. It's much appreciated.

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

This is totally off-topic (but in Off-Topic, so maybe that takes the stink off it) but how long did you read the forums before posting your first post? This question isn't particular to you, by the way. I always wonder, but it's rare for people to announce their first post as such, so it's hard to ask.

 

[QuidProQuo]

This is totally off-topic (but in Off-Topic, so maybe that takes the stink off it) but how long did you read the forums before posting your first post? This question isn't particular to you, by the way. I always wonder, but it's rare for people to announce their first post as such, so it's hard to ask.

Actually, I was quite a reader myself but i never registered. My friends mostly got me into this site and I never left. I see the "first post" announcement as a way to get yourself noticed by the community. Though many rookie posters are not as developed in the frontal lobe as i can be sometimes.

 

[mshcherbatskaya]

This is totally off-topic (but in Off-Topic, so maybe that takes the stink off it) but how long did you read the forums before posting your first post? This question isn't particular to you, by the way. I always wonder, but it's rare for people to announce their first post as such, so it's hard to ask.

Actually, I was quite a reader myself but i never registered. My friends mostly got me into this site and I never left. I see the "first post" announcement as a way to get yourself noticed by the community. Though many rookie posters are not as developed in the frontal lobe as i can be sometimes.

I do appreciate the people who read a bit before jumping in. Congratulations on both your first post and your superior lobes.