I don't understand the outrage.
Mass Effect was never, ever, ever good.
The only reason it got so much recognition
is because it was an X360 exclusive.
Get over it, it never was anything more
than a below-average cover shooter
with cliche'd dialogue and some
unnecessary, badly done RPG elements.
I think I may have lost my argument somewhere along the way. I'm basically trying to say what Das Boot is saying. If the writers and the developers feel that the ending isn't how they feel Mass Effect 3 should end, then more power to them to change it. The Directors Cut of Kingdom of Heaven is certainly better than the original. But under no circumstances do the fans have the right to demand that they change anything.
See, I think fans do have some rights about how a product is handled, having payed for it and all, but demand is definitely too far, they should just ask for changes, from there it depends on how much the developer believes in their project and their artistic vision.
Except that's not true. There were several variations of those 3 endings. As found with a quick google search:
What You Must Know?
One of the key factors that will affect your ending, is whether or not you saved or destroyed the Collector's Base from Mass Effect 2. If you didn't import a saved data from Mass Effect 2 onto your Mass Effect 3 playthrough, then the Collector's Base was destroyed. However, if you imported the save data and chose to save the Collector's Base, you?ll somehow get a different ending from when you destroyed the Collector?s Base.
Another factor that will affect the outcome, is the final battle against the reaper and the Readiness Rating that you get. The Readiness Rating is the overall war assets you?ve collected, while playing through the game. You can see your War Assets on the Normandy. One of the ways to increase the readiness ratings is for you to play the multiplayer a lot and contribute to the Reaper Threat agenda. While that?s the only way to increase your chances in getting possibly the best ending, you will have to wait for Bioware to release more information on how to do it.
Collector's Base Saved
Readiness Rating < 1750 ? Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
Readiness Rating 1750 ? Choose to Save the Reapers and the Earth will be saved.
Readiness Rating 2050 ? Choose to control a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
Readiness Rating 2350 ? Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat destroyed
Readiness Rating 2650 ? Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth is destroyed.
Readiness Rating 2800 ? Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you?re able to create synergy
Readiness Rating 4000 ? Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard lives.
Readiness Rating 5000 ? Choose to destroy the reapers and not Save Anderson to see Shepard lives.
Collector's Base Destroyed
Readiness Rating < 1750 ? Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
Readiness Rating 1750 ? Choose to control a Reaper and the Earth will be destroyed.
Readiness Rating 1900 ? Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat destroyed
Readiness Rating 2350 ? Choose to control a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
Readiness Rating 2650 ? Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth will be saved.
Readiness Rating 2800 ? Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you?re able to create synergy
Readiness Rating 4000 ? Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard lives.
Readiness Rating 5000 ? Choose to destroy the reapers and not Save Anderson to see Shepard lives.
Now does this make any of the endings less shit? No. But Bioware didn't lie. Plenty of endings, each pretty shitty, but still varied enough, and hinging upon past actions to be the truth.
They were vague, and somewhat misleading, but they never lied.
Except all of that doesn't stop it from being a clear ABC ending that doesn't even take the game's most major decisions (curing the genophage, your resolution to the Quarian-Geth war etc.) into account. Even your decision to destroy or preserve the Collector's base only changes only two value in those Readiness Ratings (requirement goes from 1900 to 2350 and 2350 to 2050). It has no explicitly noticeable impact in-game.
There's A: Control, B: Synthesis and C: Destroy. Even though they have minor variations depending on your Readiness Rating it's still a clear ABC-ending.
It's the exact thing they promised us there wouldn't be. If you can't see that then don't bother replying, that discussion would go nowhere.
One of the first things I learned when I started taking writing classes was that you write for your audience. Whether it's an academic paper or a novel. If you don't write soemthing people want to read, you will not be successful.
All this talk about artistic integrity is bullshit. Books that maintain their "artistic integrity" rarely make money. They will occasionally win awards, but more often than not they end up on the 10 cent rack.
I think it's fantastic the ME crowd is voicing their displeasure at the ending/writing. What I don't think is fantastic is the attempt at a lawsuit for false advertising and all the hate mail and death threats Casey Hudsen is reportedly recieving.
I believe they're a lot of over-entitled king baby cry ass'. What I can't believe is that Bioware is even giving in to their demands and releasing DLC to change the ending.
The point is, is that they responded at all to all the fucking whining. Your right, I didn't know if the DLC was changing the ending or not, but that's not important. The idea that they created this DLC in response is.
You call it whining, I call it grown adults having issue with a product that billed itself a certain way and didn't deliver, and instead of just taking it and rolling over they are calling the company and EA out on it. Games are no longer the realm of kids stuff and shouldn't be treated that way. People are demanding thought out stories with satisfying conclusions, how is that demand "Whining"?
personally I find the ending hilariously bad, but I perfectly understand why any fan of a series which is all about the story and characters would hate that ending and want to see it changed, and I fully expect the ending to change not just because the fans deserve better but because bioware could do better with even the slightest of effort.
Hardly. A good ending is important to any story, but the uproar the Retake and Hold the Line people made is just going overboard. They're acting as if BioWare just stole their girl/boyfriends/wifes/husbands and are now demanding the wrong be righted.
If a "good ending" is "important to any story," then why do you see them "going overboard"? I would understand your reaction if the ending were not "important to any story."
Second, what we have is an interactive story, which is essentially an adventure video game with RPG elements. It is not just "any story." That makes the idea of a "good ending" even more complex.
With that, not just any complaint but the content of such complaints (which have been discussed in other threads) should be noted, and I find the content of such valid and logical.
I went with entitled crybabies simply because now they are complaining about the extended cut DLC which has proved what I really thought all along which is they are just Bioware fans doing what Bioware fans do which is complaining about everything the company ever does.
I'm not sure if the problems concerning the ending can be repaired with cut scenes. The other bad news is that I don't think what can be done to fix these problems can be offered in a DLC offered for free.
I went with entitled crybabies simply because now they are complaining about the extended cut DLC which has proved what I really thought all along which is they are just Bioware fans doing what Bioware fans do which is complaining about everything the company ever does.
I'm not sure if the problems concerning the ending can be repaired with cut scenes. The other bad news is that I don't think what can be done to fix these problems can be offered in a DLC offered for free.
I like me some option 3. For sure, make sure Bioware knows your opinion on the ending and dissatisfaction with it, but do not force them to make a new one. Let Bioware decide if they need to make a new one, but don't pressure them to.
But, TBH, a bit of 1 is included in my opinion as well. I mean, if an ending to a game series gets you this worked up, you take the whole entire thing way to damn seriously.
Hardly. A good ending is important to any story, but the uproar the Retake and Hold the Line people made is just going overboard. They're acting as if BioWare just stole their girl/boyfriends/wifes/husbands and are now demanding the wrong be righted.
If a "good ending" is "important to any story," then why do you see them "going overboard"? I would understand your reaction if the ending were not "important to any story."
Second, what we have is an interactive story, which is essentially an adventure video game with RPG elements. It is not just "any story." That makes the idea of a "good ending" even more complex.
With that, not just any complaint but the content of such complaints (which have been discussed in other threads) should be noted, and I find the content of such valid and logical.
I see them going overboard because they're literally making a movement out of being upset with a crap ending. It's just a bloody story, for Chrits's sake, not someone's mother getting killed.
If I may satirize, the ME games were just a big Ego handjob, but ME3 pulled away before the users could cum. And now they've got blue Ego balls. My. Heart. Bleeds.
Look above. I don't care how one's ego was well-stroked, they're still overreacting.
ACV (a game that despite its issues is still amazing) has a lot more legit reasons to demand attention from Namco Bandai then what Retake people are upset over.
It´s a good thing that finally something happend. The gaming industry isn`t used to pay much attention to it`s own customers. It doesn´t matter if it`s about an ending or a gaming service. They need a wake up call. There were a lot of people who expressed their discomfort and anger about ME3 in a serious way. Too bad the whiners stand out the most but that`s how it is.
Regarding the massive amount of hours people put into the ME universe+the false advertising of many multiple ends i think they have the right to complain as much as they can. It shows that they care about the product and all they want is a reasonable worthy end, withhout the out of nowhere space kid and three different colored explosions.
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