Poll: what sex are you?

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I have this theory that there are more girls on, say, Xbox Live than it seems based on voice chatter. In hours upon hours upon hours of playing TFort, Halo, etc online, I've heard two girls. Two. Three if you count my girlfriend sitting next to me on the sofa, and let me tell you she gets a lot of attention. And that's just it: even aside from occasional outright sexual harassment, a girl voice chatting in a game of Team Fortress will immediately get guys talking to her, if only because she's a novelty, and even if they're nice (which is far from certain) it's the kind of treatment that would make most people self-conscious. I feel nervous enough speaking up in a game (as a guy, the "normal" gender) when there's nothing more distinctive about my voice than an Australian accent.

Just a thought.
 

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Im a 14 year old boy D: Oh, how cruel life can be.

And did you know that "gay" means "happy" on Ye Olde English?
 

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shadow1138 said:
mshcherbatskaya said:
I just had this little imaginary chat in my head:

r u a girl?
Yep.
pix pls
Nope.
u r not a girl!
I am a girl.
if u r a girl prove it send pix
I don't have any pix. Or any pictures of myself.
stfu u ghey fag u r not a girl!
How about I send you a tampon instead? Would that work?
Depends used or not :D :p
And your preference would be...?

jim_doki said:
I'll have to check with Crap_haT and see how he feels about open relationships and then get back to you on that.
 

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that's ok, i can wait.

in all seriousness now, I think a big reason for the split is every time they try and make a "girly" game it plays like shit. I am interested into what girls would like to see in a game. i mean the current asthetic is very much, to coin a phrase, testosterriffic with all its explosions and gunplay and chainsawing innocent freaks in the face. I can't imagine that appealing to the non gamer girl. perhaps a romantic comedy dating sim or something?
just to get em involved?
 

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jim_doki said:
that's ok, i can wait.

in all seriousness now, I think a big reason for the split is every time they try and make a "girly" game it plays like shit. I am interested into what girls would like to see in a game. i mean the current asthetic is very much, to coin a phrase, testosterriffic with all its explosions and gunplay and chainsawing innocent freaks in the face. I can't imagine that appealing to the non gamer girl. perhaps a romantic comedy dating sim or something?
just to get em involved?
I seemt to remember an article or thread about a study that suggested that girls liked FPSes as much as the next guy as long as it had a good story.
Also, bring back the adventure game! It'll have 'em coming in droves.
 

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EDIT TO THE FRONT: Man, I just "talk" way too much, especially when I drink.

I'm sure I have said this before, but I think the thing about getting a girl or woman into gaming is that the game has to be sufficiently appealing to overcome whatever initial reluctance she may have. In other words, it has to be a GOOD GAME. As jim-doki said, "current aesthetic is very much, to coin a phrase, testosterriffic with all its explosions and gunplay and chainsawing innocent freaks in the face." See, I think the problem is not as much with the violence, though some women really do find that offensive (so do some men), the problem is that plain ol' chainsaw-gun-esplodey is just not very interesting, as Yahtzee points out when he repeatedly condemns games as run-of-the-mill and bland.

Why would any woman overcome the deterrents of social conditioning, getting pissed at her boyfriend who can't just sit back and let someone else learn a game from the absolute ground up without getting impatient at her lack of skill (even if he isn't the sort of guy who would do this, she will probably fear the possibility), and being made to feel a fool because she keeps confusing the Look and Move thumbsticks or hitting the wrong keys on the keyboard while the person who is teaching her merrily blasts his way through the level in an ego-crushing display of ballistic grace--why would any woman overcome all that for a bland, run-of-the-mill, lackluster game? Or why would any guy sit through the testicle-shrivelling ordeal of being repeatedly pwned by the "friend" who was trying to teach him something he didn't find particularly compelling in the first place? Especially when she probably has other stuff that needs doing, and he can easily find entertainment elsewhere?

In the final analysis, I don't think it's the locker-room smell of testosterone that drives women (or non-gamer guys) away from gaming so much as it is the simple reek of shit.

I sat around watching guys play video games for years before I saw one that looked interesting enough to bother to learn. Periodically, I'd give a game a shot then quit after maybe 30 minutes because it was repetitive or unintuitive or just really frustrating. (Plus the sneaking self-doubt that I was just too uncoordinated or dumb to figure it out.) Then I went back and talked over those old games with some of the guys I knew who helped me learn to play, and that's when they confirmed it for me: the games I had tried were repetitive or unintuitive or just had a certain section in a certain level that was known to be just absurd in some way or other and guess where I had thrown down the controller in disgust, oh so many years ago.

I don't think the key is to make more dating sims, I think the key is to make more Beyond Good and Evils, more Prince of Persias (I've heard several women mention in conversation that they liked that game), and more Bioshocks--I noticed a number of people mentioned hooking friends and family on Bioshock, which is rather violent, yes?--and more Mario Karts. (Though I can't play Mario games of any sort because Mario looks like a wee, cartoon Ron Jeremy, which I find irrationally irritating, but I'm rather strange. We know this.)

Um, I'm wandering now, aren't I... *set down cabernet*
*puts down mouse, picks up cabernet*
Priorities, it's all about priorities...
 

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It doesn't help a non-gamer (especially girl) to get into gaming, becuase the average internet idiot acts like this [http://www.machinima.com/film/view&id=25420].

- A procrastinator
 

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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!

*ahem*
see, I like the idea of great games being made more, games that are so good they trancend gender. I've always liked that idea. I just think it's time for a game directly targeted at "the ladies" that doesn't suck. This is really showing my ignorance, but what WOULD get a girl interested in gaming? I've seen that cute and good controls work, (god bless you super monkey ball), but is there a single concept, like say blowing stuff up, that appeals to ladies?
 

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jim_doki said:
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!

*ahem*
see, I like the idea of great games being made more, games that are so good they trancend gender. I've always liked that idea. I just think it's time for a game directly targeted at "the ladies" that doesn't suck. This is really showing my ignorance, but what WOULD get a girl interested in gaming? I've seen that cute and good controls work, (god bless you super monkey ball), but is there a single concept, like say blowing stuff up, that appeals to ladies?
Saskwach said:
Also, bring back the adventure game! It'll have 'em coming in droves.
Just my 2 cents.
 

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Ah mshcherbatskaya, I can't believe you managed to post that whole thing half-cut and made it coherent. Good Job!
And I understand the whole pressure in-front of partner thing. As I played Ocarina of Time on the advise of my girlfriend at the time. I loved it, but whenever she watched me play I suddenly sucked at combat and other mundane things. Makes you feel crap in their eyes, even though they probably don't care.
Best thing is to try something new on your own first, so you don't embarrass yourself in-front of anyone. This can also be applied to may thing son life.
 

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mshcherbatskaya said:
I don't think the key is to make more dating sims, I think the key is to make more Beyond Good and Evils, more Prince of Persias (I've heard several women mention in conversation that they liked that game), and more Bioshocks--I noticed a number of people mentioned hooking friends and family on Bioshock, which is rather violent, yes?--and more Mario Karts. (Though I can't play Mario games of any sort because Mario looks like a wee, cartoon Ron Jeremy, which I find irrationally irritating, but I'm rather strange. We know this.)
I could never imagine getting any of my family members hooked on Bioshock. My dad sees violence on screen and whinges about Hollywood and their obsession with sex, drugs and rock n roll (or something), I tried to get my sister into BG+E but she gave up on the hovercraft battle (I think this might be a problem spot for those who aren't interested in skill gaming), my brother is a gamer but shootan games are beyond him, and my mum smiles and nods respectfully when I get all superlative about Bioshock's plot. The violence would get to her too.
 

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EnzoHonda said:
I'm guessing we're about to find out that The Escapist is a major sausage-fest (well, not really a major discovery).

I'm male, but I have a freaky amount of respect for women. (Like anyone who was an Arts major in University)
This surprises you? The gaming industry is predominantly male. I'd be amazed if more that 15% of any site is made up of female members.