Poll: What web explorer do you use?

[Unusual_Bulge]

unless you happen to run everything as root, which any smart *nix user doesn't do.

If, for example, you run Windows offline and check every piece of media you put in the computer for virii before you put it in, then you won't get infected either. Just because you can put in a condition under which you'll never get a virus, doesn't mean nobody can ever get a virus.

as for the marketshare, linux and unix both have a much juicier slice of the pie than windows does. linux and unix are both used in big business, wall street, the stock exchanges, banks, google, the city of munich, many many websites, apache has been the #1 webserver for at least 10 years or so, oh and all the top computers in the world run a either linux or unix. so for crackers, they are much juicier to go after for money gain

Now I'd have to admit that I don't know a lot about these sorts of things, so I'm trying to make some guesses. Wouldn't Stock Exchanges and Banks be run offline (or at least in a closed network)? I'm sure they have some truly online component, but the bits where all the money sits I've always thought would be isolated. Also, I'm sure most people have heard stories about websites being attacked, I'd be surprised, given their market share, that Apache based websites haven't been among them. However, as I said, my knowledge of the types of attacks and server architechture are fairly limited.

the security of the systems have nothing to do with marketshare, unsecured linux got a higher rating than windows xp did. xp only got the "you showed up and it worked award", secured linux (more than the default install) has gotten one of the highest security ratings for tested operating systems. openbsd is one of the few os's i know of that i can use my fingers and toes to count the security holes in the default install in the past 10 years and i might not even need my toes

But the number of security holes you know of isn't going to be the actual number of security holes. If there were as many people scouring BSD or Linux for security holes as there are for Windows, sure they might come off much better than Windows, but I'd be willing to bet you'd get many more security holes appearing than you do currently. Also, doesn't BSD have an even smaller market share than Linux (or is it grouped together with Linux? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_market_share ), so the fact you have seen less security holes for it than any of the others fits in nicely with the theory that market share has some impact on security.

Sorry if I'm a bit off with any of this, as I said, my knowledge isn't tremendous in this field, but your arguments are yet to convince me.

Edit: Got a bracket on the end of my link, stopped it working properly!

 

[shatnershaman]

I like vista and firefox it makes me happy. =)

 

[cleverlymadeup]

unless you happen to run everything as root, which any smart *nix user doesn't do.

If, for example, you run Windows offline and check every piece of media you put in the computer for virii before you put it in, then you won't get infected either. Just because you can put in a condition under which you'll never get a virus, doesn't mean nobody can ever get a virus.

running as root could possibly infect things HOWEVER they won't exist, that's the beginning of it

Now I'd have to admit that I don't know a lot about these sorts of things, so I'm trying to make some guesses. Wouldn't Stock Exchanges and Banks be run offline (or at least in a closed network)? I'm sure they have some truly online component, but the bits where all the money sits I've always thought would be isolated. Also, I'm sure most people have heard stories about websites being attacked, I'd be surprised, given their market share, that Apache based websites haven't been among them. However, as I said, my knowledge of the types of attacks and server architechture are fairly limited.

nope not closed network, they are on the internet, so are banks and they run unix, not windows

But the number of security holes you know of isn't going to be the actual number of security holes. If there were as many people scouring BSD or Linux for security holes as there are for Windows, sure they might come off much better than Windows, but I'd be willing to bet you'd get many more security holes appearing than you do currently. Also, doesn't BSD have an even smaller market share than Linux (or is it grouped together with Linux? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_market_share), so the fact you have seen less security holes for it than any of the others fits in nicely with the theory that market share has some impact on security.

Sorry if I'm a bit off with any of this, as I said, my knowledge isn't tremendous in this field, but your arguments are yet to convince me.

ok those stats are DESKTOP not a true market share, try also including corporate servers, web servers and such, the market share changes at that point, cause i'll show you stats for web servers and cherry pick who has a larger share of the market

the fact there are fewer bugs and more people are actually huntinng *nix bugs, this has been proven many times over, than for windows, there are more developers for open-source *nix apps than for windows apps.

 

[CartoonHead]

Internet Explorer, but that is the choice of the Company I work for.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

 

[Unusual_Bulge]

nope not closed network, they are on the internet, so are banks and they run unix, not windows

Do you have a link or anything to back this up? I tried looking quickly but couldn't find anything decent. Closest I got was that the London Stock Exchange delivers all of their real-time market data through a closed network. http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/products/marketdata/techinfo.htm

ok those stats are DESKTOP not a true market share, try also including corporate servers, web servers and such, the market share changes at that point, cause i'll show you stats for web servers and cherry pick who has a larger share of the market

As I said though, you hear stories about websites being attacked all the time and, more than likely, unix based systems are among those since they are so prevalent in that market. So I figured I'd just fall back to desktop statistics since I had (in my own head) ruled out the other possibilities, so probably not the best argument there, sorry. Again, any data you have on numbers of attacks on which OS would be appreciated.

This has perhaps gotten a little out of hand, and maybe I was a bit off base with my Linux comments (though I am yet to be totally convinced). Back on topic, I still believe that desktop market share of web browsers has an impact on their security.

 

[Eyclonus]

I use Firefox as my university's IS services put all these popups that annoy IE to spite IE users.
Over the others there are several reasons:
-IE7: might as well scream "I'm Naked!!!" to the world at large.
-Opera: had ads when I first used it and seems like it still has those stability issues
-Safari: A big f-bomb to Mac over this one, it crept down onto my system making the whole LAN run slower then a 56k line, it constantly jerked me around trying to be the default browser and subsequently wouldn't keep bookmarks.


As far as I'm concerned only Firefox as a soul
(an image would be here appropriate to our discussion but alas I can't get the image tags to work)

 

[x434343]

Opera. Love how they help you make tabs (Left mouse click, drag mouse down, release), back and forward (left click and drag left/left click and drag right), and the speed dial. Le gasp, IT'S MY MAIN BROWSER. No bugs or such. I haven't gone back to FIREFOX.

 

[TheKnifeJuggler]

Firefox because when I updated to IE7 my computer started to screw up every thing. It still takes a long time to start up.

Also because of download day.

 

[IankBailey]

I use both Firefox and Opera.

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

Firefox: for the addons.

 

[PwnStar]

how many people NEVER use internet explorer ?? i bet hardly any as some things you have to use it, with that in mind whats the point of any other ?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

how many people NEVER use internet explorer ?? i bet hardly any as some things you have to use it, with that in mind whats the point of any other ?

I never use IE, anything I do can be done on Firefox.

 

[x434343]

how many people NEVER use internet explorer ?? i bet hardly any as some things you have to use it, with that in mind whats the point of any other ?

I never use IE, anything I do can be done on Firefox.

Anything you can do on the internet can be done on most browsers. In essence, you basically just said "Anything I can do in a truck, I can do in a sedan."

 

[crimson5pheonix]

exactly, I don't need IE so I don't use it. I haven't come across any compatibility issues yet. So why use a "truck" instead of a "sedan"?

 

[shatnershaman]

IE7 is actually quite good its basically firefox 3 without add ons

 

[Stammer]

I dunno what it is, but on my desktop, Internet Explorer doesn't really work at all. Like, I try to avoid opening at much as I can, but if I do, lots of weird things happen. First of all, if I click on my email thing on MSN (which opens in IE by default and I don't know how to change it), it will open my email in IE, about 5-6 ad windows will pop-up, and if I ever try closing any of the windows, IE will "Not Respond" and shut all of the windows down. This means that while I'm trying to read my emails, I have to have 6-7 windows open at any time, possibly more because they occasionally multiply.

I tried uninstalling it and then reinstalling it, but that didn't work. Thankfully it got rid of the "Not Responding" part of it, but I still get destroyed by ads.

You should probably just stop looking at porn then. I rarely get any pop-ups using any browser I've got, Safari, Firefox or Opera.

I hope this answers you and that you stop projecting your pornographic lust onto people who don't need porn to satisfy themselves. Some people have girlfriends, you know.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Internet explorer, simply because it's the default and I can't be bothered to change it.

 

[AlphaWolf13]

I use google chrome...
It's not listed on here

IE7 is actually quite good its basically firefox 3 without add ons

>.<

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