Poll: What's your opinion on Loli and Lolicon?

[Cynical skeptic]

Though, while I say this, there are plenty of people who are pedophiles who view it as the only legal substitute for CP that they can find..

That may not last forever, though. I've heard that lawmakers are starting to arrest people for owning loli.

You are correct, there was a bust of this man's loli paraphernalia collection recently (within the last 2 years) and he was arrested and fined. His collection contained a vast number of eromanga and miscellaneous products. However the damning evidence was the manga's specification of underagedness.

This was in the United States, I'll have you.

The Hadley case (the one you're talking about) wasn't a "bust" of a guy's collection. In the US its illegal to ship anything "obscene" through interstate means. Obscenity, is of course, determined by the miller test (something you might recognize if you've been following the California vs video games shitstorm). The miller test asks the "average person" three questions, "does this offend you?" "Is this pornographic?" "Does it have artistic merit?" If the average person answers "yes" to one and two and "no" to three (despite being confused over being asked the same question three times), the material is deemed obscene.

Most porn gets around this by simply brown-bagging everything. If the employees of UPS/USPS/FEDex can't see the material, they cannot apply the miller test. If they cannot apply the miller test, "obscenity" law becomes worthless.

Japan, on the other hand, has no such law. So they ship everything in clear plastic wrap. Hadley had a few lolicon books imported. Someone saw them, determined he was in violation of shipping obscene materials, he goes to jail.

John Ashcroft tried to append Child Pornography legislation so "drawings" could be deemed child pornography, (mostly to close a loophole where tracing or applying brush photoshop filters to child pronography caused it to cease being child pornography), but this law does not nor ever will apply to lolicon. As first you'd have to find a person that looks like the average manga girl before you could claim the works were based on real people.

So, yea, fap in peace oh ye perverts.

This has been a public service announcement from someone who knows waaaaay too fucking much about this subject.

As for my opinion... the only people who don't know its pure fantasy are people who already have severe mental damage. If we restricted everything based around how an insane person would react to it...

 

[Sacman]

[img height= 300]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4585/konachancom2248sample.jpg[/img]
Does it work now?

Yes it does and holy shit thats....fucking cool! You'd want that as a pickguard or as the whole guitar?

I'll go with it on the pick guard and have what's left of my guitar be a wire mess like the background in this pic... make it look like an opened computer... it goes along with the operating system theme and Lain theme...

Spoiler

 

[Julianking93]

[img height= 300]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4585/konachancom2248sample.jpg[/img]
Does it work now?

Yes it does and holy shit thats....fucking cool! You'd want that as a pickguard or as the whole guitar?

I'll go with it on the pick guard and have what's left of my guitar be a wire mess like the background in this pic... make it look like an opened computer... it goes along with the operating system theme and Lain theme...

Spoiler

Ooooo I like that idea! Looks cool and I'm pretty sure no one else does things like that.

Go for it! It'll look badass!

 

[Good morning blues]

At its most basic level, people are looking to representations of children for sexual gratification. While I don't think that a crime has been committed, it's also not something that I am comfortable with or will condone.

Alot of things at their most basic level can be seen as depraived. What about fans of horror? They get a joy out of the suffering and deaths and terror of others.

That's a fair enough point, but I really don't think that sexual exploitation of children has been as blunted and devalued by western culture as violence, and I have the same reaction to, for instance, a Hostel movie as I do to loli porn: depending on the gratuity and depravity of violence in something like a horror movie, I very well may not be comfortable with or condone it, even if I don't think people should be punished for watching it.

 

[Sacman]

[img height= 300]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4585/konachancom2248sample.jpg[/img]
Does it work now?

Yes it does and holy shit thats....fucking cool! You'd want that as a pickguard or as the whole guitar?

I'll go with it on the pick guard and have what's left of my guitar be a wire mess like the background in this pic... make it look like an opened computer... it goes along with the operating system theme and Lain theme...

Spoiler

[img height= 300]http://kuro.hanyuu.net/sample/22e339719f511b89310291f2d5582ca1/Konachan.com%20-%2028067%20sample.jpg[/img]

Ooooo I like that idea! Looks cool and I'm pretty sure no one else does things like that.

Go for it! It'll look badass!

That settles it then I'll take in tomorrow to get repainted and order the pick guard special!!!
and I'll play something really electric when I get home... like maybe Paranoid Android... or maybe the Lain opening...

 

[Miumaru]

At its most basic level, people are looking to representations of children for sexual gratification. While I don't think that a crime has been committed, it's also not something that I am comfortable with or will condone.

Alot of things at their most basic level can be seen as depraived. What about fans of horror? They get a joy out of the suffering and deaths and terror of others.

That's a fair enough point, but I really don't think that sexual exploitation of children has been as blunted and devalued by western culture as violence, and I have the same reaction to, for instance, a Hostel movie as I do to loli porn: depending on the gratuity and depravity of violence in something like a horror movie, I very well may not be comfortable with or condone it, even if I don't think people should be punished for watching it.

I go by, no harm, no foul.

Plus, overall my point is, atleast with people here, there is likely something you like that the same logic against Loli can be applied to.

 

[Yureina]

Not interesting to me. If anything, I try to avoid this kind of stuff like the plague.

 

[Julianking93]

[img height= 300]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4585/konachancom2248sample.jpg[/img]
Does it work now?

Yes it does and holy shit thats....fucking cool! You'd want that as a pickguard or as the whole guitar?

I'll go with it on the pick guard and have what's left of my guitar be a wire mess like the background in this pic... make it look like an opened computer... it goes along with the operating system theme and Lain theme...

Spoiler

[img height= 300]http://kuro.hanyuu.net/sample/22e339719f511b89310291f2d5582ca1/Konachan.com%20-%2028067%20sample.jpg[/img]

Ooooo I like that idea! Looks cool and I'm pretty sure no one else does things like that.

Go for it! It'll look badass!

That settles it then I'll take in tomorrow to get repainted and order the pick guard special!!!
and I'll play something really electric when I get home... like maybe Paranoid Android... or maybe the Lain opening...

Do Paranoid Android because I fucking love that song!!

 

[Android2137]

If the contents could only be described as adorable and non-erotic, is it still lolicon? Because I like how cute the style looks, but when they start flashing their panties... eh... Well... It explains why used panties are available in vending machines in Japan...

 

[Good morning blues]

At its most basic level, people are looking to representations of children for sexual gratification. While I don't think that a crime has been committed, it's also not something that I am comfortable with or will condone.

Alot of things at their most basic level can be seen as depraived. What about fans of horror? They get a joy out of the suffering and deaths and terror of others.

That's a fair enough point, but I really don't think that sexual exploitation of children has been as blunted and devalued by western culture as violence, and I have the same reaction to, for instance, a Hostel movie as I do to loli porn: depending on the gratuity and depravity of violence in something like a horror movie, I very well may not be comfortable with or condone it, even if I don't think people should be punished for watching it.

I go by, no harm, no foul.

Plus, overall my point is, atleast with people here, there is likely something you like that the same logic against Loli can be applied to.

And that's a fair enough point. I guess that my overall point is that just because something shouldn't be a crime doesn't mean that it should be condoned, either. It shouldn't be illegal to be a heroin junkie, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be social pressure not to do it. I feel the same way about loli stuff.

 

[Sacman]

[img height= 300]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4585/konachancom2248sample.jpg[/img]
Does it work now?

Yes it does and holy shit thats....fucking cool! You'd want that as a pickguard or as the whole guitar?

I'll go with it on the pick guard and have what's left of my guitar be a wire mess like the background in this pic... make it look like an opened computer... it goes along with the operating system theme and Lain theme...

Spoiler

[img height= 300]http://kuro.hanyuu.net/sample/22e339719f511b89310291f2d5582ca1/Konachan.com%20-%2028067%20sample.jpg[/img]

Ooooo I like that idea! Looks cool and I'm pretty sure no one else does things like that.

Go for it! It'll look badass!

That settles it then I'll take in tomorrow to get repainted and order the pick guard special!!!
and I'll play something really electric when I get home... like maybe Paranoid Android... or maybe the Lain opening...

Do Paranoid Android because I fucking love that song!!

So do I!!! too bad it's the only song I know off of OK Computer... I think Subterranean Homesick Alien would be a good choice too and maybe Electioneering...

 

[Gigano]

As no one gets hurt during production of it, and as there's no sound indication that it sometimes leads to real molestation (more than other more uncontroversial factors do), I see no reason to condemn it.

As I'm not big of preventively criminalizing stuff "before the fact", I don't think it should be outlawed either, even if a certain causality is proved. Taking such then proven risk on behalf of others would make the viewing of it unethical by the harm principle though.

Subjectively, I find the idea of it fairly repulsive, even if the art style does differentiate it from actual "human" pornography to some degree. But each to his own, I shan't judge anyone for it.

 

[Socius]

Well, hello there.
Why don't you take a seat over here?

 

[Sacman]

Well, hello there.
Why don't you take a seat over here?

your a little late I posted that earlier...

 

[Socius]

Well, hello there.
Why don't you take a seat over here?

your a little late I posted that earlier...

I noticed just after posting T_T
Thought it would be a shame to remove it though.

 

[Nickolai77]

Are we talking animated or real?

If you get off to animated pictures of 2 years olds. Good for you. We all have our different tastes.

If you get off to the thought of real 2 year olds. Good for you. We all have our different tastes. Just do not let your desires get the better of you and hurt someone.

Beyond the minor point that two year old's would classify as Toddler con and not Loli, i completely agree with the reasoning above.

Loli can be creepy, but it's not causing un-consented harm to others, therefore it should not be a crime.

 

[Sacman]

Well, hello there.
Why don't you take a seat over here?

your a little late I posted that earlier...

I noticed just after posting T_T
Thought it would be a shame to remove it though.

yeah Chris Hansen has such a soothing presence to us lolicons...

 

[Kortney]

Sounds like a place for Wapanese paedophiles. Lovely.

 

[Cazza]

Meh at least your not into the real thing. Lolicon to my knowledge doesn't hurt anyone so it's fine. If someone proves otherwise then it's a differnet story.

In fact if a pedophile can use loli instead of the real thing then thats great. Hopefully then use it as a stepping sone onto normal stuff. you get the picture.

 

[Herianden78]

Loli is alright i guess. I've tried reading a few loli doujins, didn't really care for it, if someone likes it, good for them, everyone has their own tastes.
Real life CP though, that shit is fucked up.
Why is it different? Because nobody was harmed in the drawing of lolicon. But real CP is ACTUAL kids being exploited.
I don't see how people can say they're the same.
Actually that's a lie, I can, it's because they are both liked by the same group of people.