Poll: Which country has had the most negative effect on the world?
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LOL. I like the summerisation of atomic bombs, vietnam war, global warmimg and Iraq as 'faux pas'Agayek said:
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Wishy-washy much?Agayek said:
I voted for Russia. Every country listed has had negative influences over the world, but most of them redeem themselves with thier contributions. Russia on the other hand spent that time negatively influencing it's own people. Was a tough decision with countries like North Korea and China in the mix, but Russia has had a much more wide-spread history.
The Vatican could also be a candidate. There's been a lot of atrocities throughout history against our fellow brethren, all in the name of God, the pope, and this small but very deadly country.Skeleon said:
It's not all bad though. Some is very, very good. But it just takes a few bad eggs.. a few rotten apples.. a few jealous zealots...
I voted for Russia. Though looking at the question again it just mentions 'negative effect' rather than taking into account positive contributions. I therefore eliminated Britain, America and Japan due to their great positive contributions.
I guess Germany's genocide of millions of innocents would be negative enough to win this little poll. The USA has recently been meddling in the Middle East and hasn't been doing much good, also Vietnam was just awful. But it doesn't deserve to win this thing outright like it seems to have done.
I guess Germany's genocide of millions of innocents would be negative enough to win this little poll. The USA has recently been meddling in the Middle East and hasn't been doing much good, also Vietnam was just awful. But it doesn't deserve to win this thing outright like it seems to have done.
You don't honestly think no one else would have developed a nuke do you?Hutchy_Bear said:
Last I heard, Hitler was decently far along that path when the war ended.
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1) Global warming is just that, global. You can't say "It's all their fault!", or if you do, at least provide some sort of evidence. I'm 95% certain global warming as a whole is the collective fault of every industrialized nation on the planet.
2) Yes. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and debatably Korea, were all faux pas. Quite literally, they were mistakes made, and bluntly, we had no business being there. All of those put together, however, can't even begin to compare to the various other problems doled out from other nations. For staters, the USSR collapse left Eastern Europe destitute. Then we have Britain giving the Jews Israel, knowing full well the kind of conflicts they'd face. On top of that, there's the India/Pakistan conflicts, the wide variety of genocides and ethnic cleansing performed in Africa and the old Ottoman states. I could go on, for a good long time. Yes, in recent years America has fucked up. And yes, we really shouldn't have. It's the price to pay for not being perfect while acting as the world's foremost superpower. But the mistakes/attrocities/royal fuckups of the US over the last few decades cannot compare to some of the atrocities committed by many of the much older, more respected nations.
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I was sarcasing in my first post. Then I went back and read the thread and had to give a real response.New Troll said:
this is a hard question to answer given the vagueness of it. id need a good deal more information of what constitutes 'negative effect' to really give my answer.
in a enviromental context its hands down America, followed of corse by China then india then Russia, that issue is all about size and cant be helped at the moment, but while America is the 'worst' in polution effects we are also one of the best at trying too find a way to deal with them. unlike the other we arent just telling ourselves global warming is a made up thing.
if its about politics, than id say israel is the 'worst'. now dont get me wrong here either im NOT anti-Israel. to my mind Israel is our 52 state, right behind canada. if i had to pick one nation that is the heart of most of the worlds major strife at the moment it would be Israel. the only global political issue that matters at the moment is the war between Islam and the west and the core of that issue is Israel. we in the west back israel, it puts us at odds with most muslem states. they attack us because we support Israel, so we fight back because they have attacked us and the entire mess has turned into what we have now.
the one thing that kinda makes me chuckle though is that knowing history as i do, this notion that America is some kind of a busybody just butting our noses in were we dont belong is just wrong. especialy when you view the facts that we tryed to stay 'neutral' in both world wars and were demons then because we DIDNT get involved, once the euro-trash proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that THEY couldnt be trusted if left alone for more than 5 minuts than we had very little choice but to become a super power if only to ensure that if our boys are going to die fighting in wars they may as well be wars that actualy involve us from the start.
ill just say, not looking to provoke a fight of any kind that id like all you who have anti-American ideas to take a moment to honestly think about what kind of a world you would have today if America wasnt around for the last 100 years or so.
we might screw shit up from time to time, but the goals of the average American are NOT death and conquest, but rather (i curse Bush for tainting these words) freedom and democracy. and not just for our little corner of the planet , but for the Entire world.
ohh and did i mention we are the only nation to actualy put a man ON the moon? when you look at america its hard to see beyond the deeds of the moment. we are the core of the worlds banking troubles, we are dead center in several wars as well as being thee major power in the world. there is really no global event that we arent ivolved in one way or another. and at the moment most of it is either neutral or bad.
at the moment its hard to see beyond the mistakes we have made. but i submit too you all that the same nation that gave you gitmo also gave the world Star Trek. and i use this example for a reason, it best shows i think, the difference between our 'vision' and our reality sometimes.
in a enviromental context its hands down America, followed of corse by China then india then Russia, that issue is all about size and cant be helped at the moment, but while America is the 'worst' in polution effects we are also one of the best at trying too find a way to deal with them. unlike the other we arent just telling ourselves global warming is a made up thing.
if its about politics, than id say israel is the 'worst'. now dont get me wrong here either im NOT anti-Israel. to my mind Israel is our 52 state, right behind canada. if i had to pick one nation that is the heart of most of the worlds major strife at the moment it would be Israel. the only global political issue that matters at the moment is the war between Islam and the west and the core of that issue is Israel. we in the west back israel, it puts us at odds with most muslem states. they attack us because we support Israel, so we fight back because they have attacked us and the entire mess has turned into what we have now.
the one thing that kinda makes me chuckle though is that knowing history as i do, this notion that America is some kind of a busybody just butting our noses in were we dont belong is just wrong. especialy when you view the facts that we tryed to stay 'neutral' in both world wars and were demons then because we DIDNT get involved, once the euro-trash proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that THEY couldnt be trusted if left alone for more than 5 minuts than we had very little choice but to become a super power if only to ensure that if our boys are going to die fighting in wars they may as well be wars that actualy involve us from the start.
ill just say, not looking to provoke a fight of any kind that id like all you who have anti-American ideas to take a moment to honestly think about what kind of a world you would have today if America wasnt around for the last 100 years or so.
we might screw shit up from time to time, but the goals of the average American are NOT death and conquest, but rather (i curse Bush for tainting these words) freedom and democracy. and not just for our little corner of the planet , but for the Entire world.
ohh and did i mention we are the only nation to actualy put a man ON the moon? when you look at america its hard to see beyond the deeds of the moment. we are the core of the worlds banking troubles, we are dead center in several wars as well as being thee major power in the world. there is really no global event that we arent ivolved in one way or another. and at the moment most of it is either neutral or bad.
at the moment its hard to see beyond the mistakes we have made. but i submit too you all that the same nation that gave you gitmo also gave the world Star Trek. and i use this example for a reason, it best shows i think, the difference between our 'vision' and our reality sometimes.
The US and Canada, as America isn't a country. That should be changed in the poll. I don't think that Guam or Panama did anything that had a global impact.
I went for the Us. Why? Because of this damn financial crisis and almost all recent wars. From what I recall, they even wanted to interfere in the Georgian-Russian war, even though they had absolutely no relation to it.
I went for the Us. Why? Because of this damn financial crisis and almost all recent wars. From what I recall, they even wanted to interfere in the Georgian-Russian war, even though they had absolutely no relation to it.
Firstly I have no objections to your arguement and secondly I was just saying that causually calling the USE of atomic weapons, arguable a major defining point of the 20th century, a 'faux pas' is a bit of an understatment.Agayek said:
