To be honest, at that stage the Mojave is best of with the Legion. Admittedly, the Legion would cause pain and suffering to a lot of people, but at least they get shit done. The NCR have good intentions, but thats about all they have.
Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?
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Legion, the Roman empire lasted a hell of a long time. So modeling the government after theirs isn't entirely bad...
The NCR have a fair balance of effectiveness and decency. I would have voted for the brotherhood but, after I was abducted and told to carry out orders by them or they would blow my head off, I fell out with them a bit and had to brutally murder every last one of them in the bunker.
The NCR. Democracy now and forever!
An interesting note: All NCR main plot quests have three ways to settle things: Really good, meh, and just kill everyone.
It's because the NCR has the most potential for good, but in a Democracy things can go either way.
They also strip away every basic human right, and believe in nothing but constant conquest.
Just because we won't have a nuclear war, doesn't mean we can't kill everyone.
An interesting note: All NCR main plot quests have three ways to settle things: Really good, meh, and just kill everyone.
It's because the NCR has the most potential for good, but in a Democracy things can go either way.
They do it by reducing us to the technological level of educated chimps.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
They also strip away every basic human right, and believe in nothing but constant conquest.
Just because we won't have a nuclear war, doesn't mean we can't kill everyone.
Followers of the Apocalypse, I kinda regret not siding with them (or at least trying to if it was an option), but New Vegas was too horrid to try and play again.
Hmmm, if I had to go out on a limb and pick one I'd say The Brotherhood Of Steel generally has the best chance. The problem with The Brotherhood has always been them getting stuck in their ways, hording technology and knowlege while forgeting the entire purpose for doing so. I think if they were to ever get their factions unified and come out of hiding, they would present a better option than even the NCR.
Anarchy loses it's appeal when you consider what people can do together, and also your viewing Fallout through the eyes of a stupidly talented and powerful individual in all of the games. When your an ordinary person having to deal with the raiders and such "embracing their freedom" at your expense, along with the lack of resources that not building society back up entails, it's hardly all that appealing as an option. "Might Makes Right" is only awesome when your the one with the might.
Of course I will also say that the NCR has been the good guys since the very beginning pretty much. The very first Fallout game was actually called "Wasteland", and it cast you in the role of a "Wasteland Ranger" who was out to bring order to the chaos in and around Nevada. Fallout was actually a prequel to Wasteland as the girl Tandi you rescue winds up founding the NCR, which gives birth to the rangers. I think that the statue of the NCR and Wasteland Rangers shaking hands is kind of symbolic in a way, they sort of reconned it to have them as seperate groups, but then had them unify into more or less one organization, I think as a way of trying to bring the divergent storylines/concepts together somewhat as the game/world has changed a lot since Wasteland.... however you'll notice on the original Fallout box, it was a marketing too to invoke memories of wasteland for us old fogeys who were a little less old then.
Ah well enough rambling, BOS #1, NCR #2, with the NCR being more likely since the BOS is unlikely to ever step up. The BOS would do a better job due to their knowlege of history, and having massive amounts of knowlege and technology that could be put to immediate use, it would be able to do things easily that the NCR struggles with.
Anarchy loses it's appeal when you consider what people can do together, and also your viewing Fallout through the eyes of a stupidly talented and powerful individual in all of the games. When your an ordinary person having to deal with the raiders and such "embracing their freedom" at your expense, along with the lack of resources that not building society back up entails, it's hardly all that appealing as an option. "Might Makes Right" is only awesome when your the one with the might.
Of course I will also say that the NCR has been the good guys since the very beginning pretty much. The very first Fallout game was actually called "Wasteland", and it cast you in the role of a "Wasteland Ranger" who was out to bring order to the chaos in and around Nevada. Fallout was actually a prequel to Wasteland as the girl Tandi you rescue winds up founding the NCR, which gives birth to the rangers. I think that the statue of the NCR and Wasteland Rangers shaking hands is kind of symbolic in a way, they sort of reconned it to have them as seperate groups, but then had them unify into more or less one organization, I think as a way of trying to bring the divergent storylines/concepts together somewhat as the game/world has changed a lot since Wasteland.... however you'll notice on the original Fallout box, it was a marketing too to invoke memories of wasteland for us old fogeys who were a little less old then.
Ah well enough rambling, BOS #1, NCR #2, with the NCR being more likely since the BOS is unlikely to ever step up. The BOS would do a better job due to their knowlege of history, and having massive amounts of knowlege and technology that could be put to immediate use, it would be able to do things easily that the NCR struggles with.
You need to study your Roman history boy, especially the rise to power of Julius Caesar and Gias Octavian Caesar Augustus(The fourth coolest guy in history)Souplex said:The NCR. Democracy now and forever!
An interesting note: All NCR main plot quests have three ways to settle things: Really good, meh, and just kill everyone.
It's because the NCR has the most potential for good, but in a Democracy things can go either way.
They do it by reducing us to the technological level of educated chimps.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
They also strip away every basic human right, and believe in nothing but constant conquest.
Just because we won't have a nuclear war, doesn't mean we can't kill everyone.
NCR seem to be a more republic and greedy society that always craves more and more just expanding land and use mainly numbers to win battles.
The Legion seem a bit more fit as they are very more secure with the roads and let those fit to survive thrive, but at the same time they have some disagreeable terms such as using woman mostly for mating.
Anarchy is probably a good choice if it were my character in charge.
The Legion seem a bit more fit as they are very more secure with the roads and let those fit to survive thrive, but at the same time they have some disagreeable terms such as using woman mostly for mating.
Anarchy is probably a good choice if it were my character in charge.
NCR is really the best choice. Though there is corruption, on the individual level most of its members (soldiers, politicians, etc) really do want to make the Wasteland a better place. Also, they may ask for taxes but they won't enslave you, do not conscript, and will do their best to keep some raider from showing up and blowing your head off cause he likes your snow globe. Thats a hell of a lot more than any other faction is offering.
House just wants your money, pure and simple. As a living, breathing person you don't mean squat to him unless you are useful in some way. If you aren't, go piss your money away in a casino and GTFO.
The Legion have no sustainability that we have seen. They do absolutely nothing to endear themselves to either the conquered or their neighbors, and the entire operation is still, despite Caesar's best efforts, nothing more than a band of tribals and thugs masquerading as an army. They make it abundantly clear that the only thing holding the Legion together is Caesar, and he won't live forever. Once he dies, it will collapse in on itself and all those "unified" tribes will be right at each others throats again.
Independence=Raiders taking your snowglobes. Some towns would manage, but most would be wiped out. Hell, Goodsprings would have gotten it in the beginning of the game if the Courier hadn't been there. Would any other town like that stand a chance without help? Probably not.
The Enclave and Brotherhood are just a collection of military and science types who are too concerned with hiding in their bunkers and playing last man on Earth to actually run anything. Lyon's group in FO3 were a step in the right direction, but they were more concerned with fighting than rebuilding.
The Followers are a decent non-NCR group, but they are too idealistic with nothing to back it up. Its all well and good that they want to help people, but short of curing a few colds and feeding a few bums they can't really DO anything.
House just wants your money, pure and simple. As a living, breathing person you don't mean squat to him unless you are useful in some way. If you aren't, go piss your money away in a casino and GTFO.
The Legion have no sustainability that we have seen. They do absolutely nothing to endear themselves to either the conquered or their neighbors, and the entire operation is still, despite Caesar's best efforts, nothing more than a band of tribals and thugs masquerading as an army. They make it abundantly clear that the only thing holding the Legion together is Caesar, and he won't live forever. Once he dies, it will collapse in on itself and all those "unified" tribes will be right at each others throats again.
Independence=Raiders taking your snowglobes. Some towns would manage, but most would be wiped out. Hell, Goodsprings would have gotten it in the beginning of the game if the Courier hadn't been there. Would any other town like that stand a chance without help? Probably not.
The Enclave and Brotherhood are just a collection of military and science types who are too concerned with hiding in their bunkers and playing last man on Earth to actually run anything. Lyon's group in FO3 were a step in the right direction, but they were more concerned with fighting than rebuilding.
The Followers are a decent non-NCR group, but they are too idealistic with nothing to back it up. Its all well and good that they want to help people, but short of curing a few colds and feeding a few bums they can't really DO anything.
...Are you claiming Caesar's legion doesn't strip away human rights? Because if you are, you really need to play that game again.Skullkid4187 said:You need to study your Roman history boy, especially the rise to power of Julius Caesar and Gias Octavian Caesar Augustus(The fourth coolest guy in history)Souplex said:The NCR. Democracy now and forever!
An interesting note: All NCR main plot quests have three ways to settle things: Really good, meh, and just kill everyone.
It's because the NCR has the most potential for good, but in a Democracy things can go either way.
They do it by reducing us to the technological level of educated chimps.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
They also strip away every basic human right, and believe in nothing but constant conquest.
Just because we won't have a nuclear war, doesn't mean we can't kill everyone.
Give New Vegas independence and you stagger the spread of the NCR,effectively destroy the legion within the next 5 or so years,and cause independence.
This forces the NCR to stop for a couple years,reinforce itself and keep spreading.
NCR wins in the end unless you go with NCR.
This forces the NCR to stop for a couple years,reinforce itself and keep spreading.
NCR wins in the end unless you go with NCR.
Never did I mention anything about human rights. I think you quoted me, when you meant to quote someone else.MaxwellEdison said:...Are you claiming Caesar's legion doesn't strip away human rights? Because if you are, you really need to play that game again.Skullkid4187 said:You need to study your Roman history boy, especially the rise to power of Julius Caesar and Gias Octavian Caesar Augustus(The fourth coolest guy in history)Souplex said:The NCR. Democracy now and forever!
An interesting note: All NCR main plot quests have three ways to settle things: Really good, meh, and just kill everyone.
It's because the NCR has the most potential for good, but in a Democracy things can go either way.
They do it by reducing us to the technological level of educated chimps.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
They also strip away every basic human right, and believe in nothing but constant conquest.
Just because we won't have a nuclear war, doesn't mean we can't kill everyone.
Either Mr. House because of his technology and intellect or the FoTA because of their tech and medical expertise and good nature.
Followers of the Apocalypse. Even in my Legion-sided playthrough, I did everything I could for the Followers (and oddly enough, they actually had a better ending than with the NCR).
Some spoilers follow. They're light, but you are warned.
They don't really push their morals on each other: The Followers guy in HELIOS gives you another option that would help everyone, but accepts your choice if you do otherwise. They are willing to work with people whom they don't agree with (the Garrets and The Kings) for a greater goal. They value knowledge, but don't horde it (which is the ideology that corrupts the Brotherhood of Steel). They show some guts (bugging Mr House for the sake of research, working in hot zones like HELIOS), but also know that violence can be necessary (all those armed guards in the Mormon Fort? They aren't as naive as some people think). They accept people who come from questionable backgrounds (Arcade Gannon, The poet kid from the Khans, former junkies).
I see no downside.
NCR will cause more harm than good. Their goals at this point seem purely to expand an empire. They will cause war whenever they reach a new territory and will take any resource they want even if it hurts the people of the area.
Some spoilers follow. They're light, but you are warned.
They don't really push their morals on each other: The Followers guy in HELIOS gives you another option that would help everyone, but accepts your choice if you do otherwise. They are willing to work with people whom they don't agree with (the Garrets and The Kings) for a greater goal. They value knowledge, but don't horde it (which is the ideology that corrupts the Brotherhood of Steel). They show some guts (bugging Mr House for the sake of research, working in hot zones like HELIOS), but also know that violence can be necessary (all those armed guards in the Mormon Fort? They aren't as naive as some people think). They accept people who come from questionable backgrounds (Arcade Gannon, The poet kid from the Khans, former junkies).
I see no downside.
NCR will cause more harm than good. Their goals at this point seem purely to expand an empire. They will cause war whenever they reach a new territory and will take any resource they want even if it hurts the people of the area.
Boom. Answer.Vault101 said:
However, I was trying to do a good playthrough and quit because the NCR main questline never flagged. So... whatever that means.
This.Qtoy said:
Yeah, your list is missing the best choice. After the Followers, of course, it would be NCR, even though they are bloated and potentially corrupt.
He said it much more eloquently than i could right now.DustyDrB said:
The NCR are rebuilding train lines and roads and returning some semblance to a broken world. They are the best hope for the post apocalyptic future. If only the NCR and the BoS could settle their differences and work together at least there is some hope in New Vegas in that regard.
Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.
The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)
The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)