Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?

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Al-Bundy-da-G

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The towns in FO:3 are pretty much the same as the NCR or at least would be if they continue growing. Eventually they would join together with the nearest town to make life easier and it would continue to cycle on. In fact i wouldn't be surprised if the next fallout had the NCR fighting against a nation made of all the towns from FO:3 led by the BoS
 

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electronicgoat said:
DustyDrB said:
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Followers of the Apocalypse would never be able to run a society. I think they would be crushed due to their lack of military drive.
I chose Mr. House.
The question is "Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?" not "Which Fallout faction is best governing body?"
It's not "which Fallout faction would work the coolest in a perfect world where humanity was naturally good", either. Having the Red Cross be in the seat of power would be pretty sweet, but I don't think humanity could control itself under that rule.
I'm not talking about the seat of power. That was the whole point of my post before. The Followers benefit humanity the most. That's their goal. They bring education, medicine, research, and technology wherever they go. They don't want to rule. The NCR would likely be the best ruling faction of the ones we've seen (unless the Followers became interested in that sort of thing and realigned their dealings accordingly), but they do a lot of harm.
 

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House all the way! He has a massive robot army to keep the peace and an immense wealth at his disposal. Caesar's legion may have been better if their entire culture is held up by the backbone of slaves and a warrior type mentality. The NCR does a pretty shitty job of controlling its own territory and at a certain point the NCR probably wouldn't allow non-NCR groups to remain independent in its territory. Even House allowed, even encouraged, other groups and factions like the NCR to exist so long as they don't try fucking with him and his property.

If you paid attention to some of the things that House says in the game, you notice that he has a long term plan for advancing humanity. Even if he does it all for money and glory, at least he would be doing something.
 

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Arcade Gannon

He's a humanitarian but not in the way that can never get something done in the Fallout Universe. He accepts that if people have to die, they have to die.
 

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Chelsea O said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot :D
it also eliminates women's rights and supports slavery,so no it isn't the best.
Actually many women have rights in Caesar's Legion as the Vestal Virgins. And the slavery, well every great civilization isn't perfect.
 

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The Boomers. They plan to blow the rest of the world up, Take care of the problem at its source. Simple yet effective.
Heres what I always wondered, how do they have gas to fly the superfortress? wasnt the whole war against china for that?
 

Vault101

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Ultratwinkie said:
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Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)
The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.
I hardly call the Super Mutants and Enclave a "contrived" threat.
They are. There is no actual explanation as to why they are still alive. Super Mutants need FEV, without it they will die a quick death. In fact, there would be no super mutants in the DC area. The Enclave members on the oil rig were infected with an FEV strain that killed everyone on the rig. Navarro wouldn't last long without the rig.


Vault101 said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Paragon Fury said:
Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)
The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.
you should keep in mind however, that after the events of fallout 3 (including broken steel) and the involvment of the lone wander they are probably doing alot better than when you first encountered them

plus there seems to be alot of them and they actually recruit people

also the brother hood in NV cleary shows that being dicks if you dont get your way isnt the best way to go..as for the outcasts? not sure how they will fare....probably keep on going how they are since theres no NCR there to get in the way
Except they lose members to Super Mutants every day, and the time for a replacement is about 18 years, 9 months. Recruits from outside? There is no one in DC. The Chicago Brotherhood actually does something instead of standing around a broken city for no real reason.
Im not saying they are better, but I dont think they are as screwed as some people make out

because we dont actually know how they faired after broken steel, think about it, the defeated the enclave, whcih means acess to some of their gear and some of their rescources

plus the Lone wander I think at some point told them that the super muties were coming from vault...I forgot the name, one of the vaults..I mean with that info mabye they somehow managed to wipe out or lessen the threat

I mean there are people around DC....anyway mabye they did move on...who knows?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Paragon Fury said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Paragon Fury said:
Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)
The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.
I hardly call the Super Mutants and Enclave a "contrived" threat.
They are. There is no actual explanation as to why they are still alive. Super Mutants need FEV, without it they will die a quick death. In fact, there would be no super mutants in the DC area. The Enclave members on the oil rig were infected with an FEV strain that killed everyone on the rig. Navarro wouldn't last long without the rig.


Vault101 said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Paragon Fury said:
Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)
The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.
you should keep in mind however, that after the events of fallout 3 (including broken steel) and the involvment of the lone wander they are probably doing alot better than when you first encountered them

plus there seems to be alot of them and they actually recruit people

also the brother hood in NV cleary shows that being dicks if you dont get your way isnt the best way to go..as for the outcasts? not sure how they will fare....probably keep on going how they are since theres no NCR there to get in the way
Except they lose members to Super Mutants every day, and the time for a replacement is about 18 years, 9 months. Recruits from outside? There is no one in DC. The Chicago Brotherhood actually does something instead of standing around a broken city for no real reason.
No one in DC? I must have missed all those people.
The East coast BoS talks about how they are recruiting from outside all the time.
 

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"If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows" - Mr.House
(I think I quoted it right)

People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, that's why I wouldn't chose the NCR as humanities best faction. Brotherhood of Steel or Followers of the Apocalypse would get my vote. The fact that the East Coast BoS easily... well sort of easily accepted the elder's order to protect people shows there is some good in them in their cold Steel hearts.
 

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Skullkid4187 said:
Chelsea O said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot :D
it also eliminates women's rights and supports slavery,so no it isn't the best.
Actually many women have rights in Caesar's Legion as the Vestal Virgins. And the slavery, well every great civilization isn't perfect.
did cearsar tell you that?

I will say that you cant trust half of what they say..its all built around myth and stories

I mean take lanius aparently had half his face removed...but take off his mask and its all there...I doubt it was an oversight on the developers part, it was just made up story

plus even if you do ackowelge that no civilisation is perfect then I fail to see how legion is more perfect than NCR

I mean I would rather put up with the problms of the NCR than be a slave

also I find it funny that ceasar talks about corruption in the NCR...this asshole deals in slaves and has no qualms about harming innocents, hes lost all right to whine about corruption

but anyway each to their own....
 

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Vault101 said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Chelsea O said:
Skullkid4187 said:
Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot :D
it also eliminates women's rights and supports slavery,so no it isn't the best.
Actually many women have rights in Caesar's Legion as the Vestal Virgins. And the slavery, well every great civilization isn't perfect.
did cearsar tell you that?

I will say that you cant trust half of what they say..its all built around myth and stories

I mean take lanius aparently had half his face removed...but take off his mask and its all there...I doubt it was an oversight on the developers part, it was just made up story

plus even if you do ackowelge that no civilisation is perfect then I fail to see how legion is more perfect than NCR

I mean I would rather put up with the problms of the NCR than be a slave

also I find it funny that ceasar talks about corruption in the NCR...this asshole deals in slaves and has no qualms about harming innocents, hes lost all right to whine about corruption

but anyway each to their own....
One, it's CAESAR. 2. no the Official Fallout New Vegas Guide did. Caesar's Legion can protect it's own citizens unlike the ncr. Caravaners don't need guards in Caesar's land because all tribes were destroyed or joined Caesar. It provides food and water for its citizens, in ncr their are still scavengers. If you play through Caesar's Legion's campaign you will see how corrupt ncr senators and citizens are. Heck even ncr soldiers even say how corrupt they are. Also not everyone in CL is a slave, it has citizens too!
 

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Mutants.

Because they build a goshdamn building oin the middle of the desert.

...and then we blew it up.
 

Comrade Mateo

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Some kind of organization which operates like east coast Brotherhood, and outside of that individually governed communities. Basically how it works without all those big powers meddling.
 

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None of them are entirely bang on, which really is kind of the point.

A sort of holy grail, pie-in-the-sky, best hope for humanity scenario following the events of New Vegas would be something along the lines of an Independent (Courier-led) or House Vegas, that eventually forces both the NCR and Legion to come to the negotiating table and eventually co-mingles some of the values of all 3 states a few years down the line.

The NCR is pro-equality, pro-rights, and has the groundwork for what could be an actually functional democracy at some point in the future. Right now, however, the democracy that the NCR has, isn't what it claims to have. It's corrupt. Extremely. Basically a plutocracy with good PR. Also they're really slimy about expansion. That's got to go.

The Legion has the backbone and ethics that the NCR lacks - honestas, industria, prudentia - and the kind of work ethic that gets shit done. Not to confuse ethics with morality, by the way, that's something else entirely. Not to mention the fact that Caesar's point of The Right Kind of Government for the Right Circumstances, while harsh, is pretty much dead on. The wasteland is not a genteel enough place to allow a pre-war 'soft' democracy to succeed. It can be eventually, but it isn't there now. What the wastes need right now isn't a friendly gathering of equals, it needs a father figure to tell them to quit hitting your sister, do your homework, and eat your vegetables because if you don't so help me I will fucking spank you. Of course the downsides to the Legion as presented are manifold, and frankly pretty evident if you've played the game. It's too harsh in the social message it delivers, and as a society goes, it's unbalanced toward the military. Oh, and the whole sexism thing ... that's just wasteful. Caesar himself knew that the Legion had to change, but if/when he's defeated at Hoover Dam he risked losing his shot at it and it's not entirely clear if he had a backup plan.

In this scenario (crazy space aspirations aside) House/Vegas serve as the base to let this mixture work. It has what both the NCR and Legion lack: infrastructure and excess. Basically Vegas doesn't really need anything, and it has the ability to produce far more than it consumes. It's got water, it's got power, it's got technology, and it's got people. And most importantly, if things go right, it has all of this from a position where it cannot reasonably be taken by force. Assuming after the events of FNV, Vegas has the ability to secure territories within the borders of the Mojave, Vegas has an army of (or supplemented with) military robots, an orbital deathray, artillery emplacements, and an air force. It can make people play nice, and given the political situation, that's necessary.
 

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WTF. NCR?
Did ANY of you work for and see the House ending?
You were like the human diplomat to the brain-computer that wanted only to fix and advance humanity. Something that can't be solved by humans...

er..damn...I guess that shows where I stand, eh?
A game that teaches you things about yourself. Amazing complexity.
 

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none!
the NCR is falling apart at the seams
the BOS are a bunch of racists (they refuse to accept tribal,s)
the Enclave preforms experiments on humans
we all know what legion does
and Mr.House refuse to give access to the strip!
maybe the Mormons of Followers of The Apocalypse.