Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?

[DazBurger]

Followers of the Apocalypse.
Without a doubt.

That and the Washington part of the Brothers of Steel.

 

[albear]

Followers of the Apocolypse ftw, they just let people get on with it, and work to help behind the scenes, they kick ass

 

[Harbinger_]

Spoiler

The part where you create your own with the robot army of course assisted by the Followers of the Apocalypse after you've given the boot to Caesar and the NCR. I did it with all factions thinking I was awesome so I had the firepower of the boomers and the technical know-how of the Brotherhood and the remnants, the remnants who if the game would let me I would give amnesty to as they helped the war-effort and they are essentially defectors anyway. Also House is dead. The NCR mismanaged everything and Chief Hanlon even admitted in the game that the NCR couldn't keep a sustained front in the Mojave.

Also the reason they mismanaged everything is because it was all about brahmin barons and people that cared more about hoover dam's power supply than the actual people.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

House.

NCR - They are like Modern Day America...stomp on everyone...
Legion - They have Pros and Cons....Safety to Women Slavery seems to be a big 2
Yes Man - You arent Immortal....unlike Mr.House
Brotherhood of Steel - They dont seem to care about people


I choose Mr.House as he seems on the ball....Yes you can call him nuts but he has goals and those dont include push everyone around who doesnt see it your way...such as seeing Humanity back to the way it was....he has the numbers to do it...

 

[Vault101]

Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)

The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.

I hardly call the Super Mutants and Enclave a "contrived" threat.

They are. There is no actual explanation as to why they are still alive. Super Mutants need FEV, without it they will die a quick death. In fact, there would be no super mutants in the DC area. The Enclave members on the oil rig were infected with an FEV strain that killed everyone on the rig. Navarro wouldn't last long without the rig.

Either the NCR or East Coast Brotherhood of Steel.

The Legion will collapse once Caesar dies ( you kill him, the cancer does or he does of old age), the Enclave can't adapt to the new environment, and House's ideas will get stopped dead once the lack of proper resources and cooperation becomes apparent. The normal Brotherhood of Steel can't survive either; their ideas about technology and acceptance just will not hold up for very long in the Wastelands. (The sad part too is during New Vegas you get to see that even people of the main body of the Brotherhood realize this, but refuse to change or adapt, and basically validate everything Elder Lyons and the East Coast Brotherhood were saying/doing.)

The east coast brotherhood are dying as well, and for no reason. Why protect civilians from a contrived threat? And in a place where there are no people? The CHICAGO brotherhood is correct, but the east coast one is just contrived and nonsensical.

you should keep in mind however, that after the events of fallout 3 (including broken steel) and the involvment of the lone wander they are probably doing alot better than when you first encountered them

plus there seems to be alot of them and they actually recruit people

also the brother hood in NV cleary shows that being dicks if you dont get your way isnt the best way to go..as for the outcasts? not sure how they will fare....probably keep on going how they are since theres no NCR there to get in the way

Except they lose members to Super Mutants every day, and the time for a replacement is about 18 years, 9 months. Recruits from outside? There is no one in DC. The Chicago Brotherhood actually does something instead of standing around a broken city for no real reason.

Im not saying they are better, but I dont think they are as screwed as some people make out

because we dont actually know how they faired after broken steel, think about it, the defeated the enclave, whcih means acess to some of their gear and some of their rescources

plus the Lone wander I think at some point told them that the super muties were coming from vault...I forgot the name, one of the vaults..I mean with that info mabye they somehow managed to wipe out or lessen the threat

I mean there are people around DC....anyway mabye they did move on...who knows?

Vault 87, which has no FEV left. How do they transform anyone with no FEV vats? It makes no sense, and they should be extinct. The holotape in Elder Lyon's room confirms he was a failure as an elder as he helped no one, and is fighting a losing battle against the mutants. There may be people around DC, but not enough to recruit. Hell, the BOS should patrol around DC and protect the people at the outskirts if they cared so much, instead of fighting in the city where there are no actual towns.

...well I will say I dont think anyone can be 100% sure on how the fallout 3 brotherhood turned out, and I doubt they were much better off long term than the new vegas brotherhood

plus yeah...mabye they did do what you just said who knows? if they can defeat the ENCLAVE..I mean the big technologically supiror ENCLAVE then...who knows

 

[SoopaSte123]

The world has gone to hell. As historians know, anarchy is usually followed by a dictatorship, and a dictatorship is what the world needs. The mighty Caesar will conquer all the warring tribes that the NCR can't deal with and unite the world under one banner.

Yes, it will eventually crumble, but with the inevitable transition into war, larger groups will form that will become countries, which is what needs to happen opposed to keeping the multitudes of small tribes around. With countries united (probably against one another), they will then make scientific and social advances to out-do one another, thus improving human society.

Ok, so there's a little slavery, rape, and crucifixion on the way to human advancement, but the ends justify the means.

Ave, true to Caesar.

 

[SoopaSte123]

The world has gone to hell. As historians know, anarchy is usually followed by a dictatorship, and a dictatorship is what the world needs. The mighty Caesar will conquer all the warring tribes that the NCR can't deal with and unite the world under one banner.

Yes, it will eventually crumble, but with the inevitable transition into war, larger groups will form that will become countries, which is what needs to happen opposed to keeping the multitudes of small tribes around. With countries united (probably against one another), they will then make scientific and social advances to out-do one another, thus improving human society.

Ok, so there's a little slavery, rape, and crucifixion on the way to human advancement, but the ends justify the means.

Ave, true to Caesar.

except Caesar's legion is expanding with no way to become a country. The farther he expands, the bigger the fall when Caesar dies. In short, just like Joshua Graham said, Caesar is an idiot. His troops are just tribals, who care nothing for progress outside their kill counts.

People need to be unified. "No way to become a country"? Unification means they're a country. Get everyone in one big group, homogenized so you get rid of the BoS racism and such, and the rest will take care of itself. Right now the biggest problem is everyone is of a different allegiance. I mean, in this TINY area around New Vegas think of how many factions there are.

If when Caesar dies and someone else takes over and mishandles things, if people revolt you still have a sizable group banding together, and that's what we need. No more little tribes stuff. Big picture. No one in New Vegas seems to see the big picture, but Caesar is heading down the right path. Roughly. Even if he doesn't see it.

 

[Riff Moonraker]

To be honest, I wasnt really satisfied with the endings with ANY of them. I suppose the closest to what I would prefer would be the NCR... but even that was severely lacking for me.

Hell, I just finished up the latest DLC with the burned man in it, went with the option I liked least, and after the end results I felt I chose the best for last (which is what I was trying to do).. when I did the ending I felt was best, I was left feeling even WORSE!

There seems to be a pervasive feeling of screwing something up no matter what you do in this game...

 

[Nedoras]

Honestly the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel. They just seem to be the most efficient out of all the groups. For one they don't discriminate against anything or anyone, hell they have deathclaws and supermutants as members. They also don't seem to oppress the people that live in their territory. From what I can see, they only require recruits every now and then from the tribal villages that live in their territory. They have extremely impressive tech, including tanks and other vehicles. They're just a really well armed and well trained group that gets shit done. They're basically the original Brotherhood if they weren't stupid. Hell it's not like they keep all that tech to themselves and do jack all with it. They use their tech to expand their territory and protect those that live in their territory. They're not afraid to take in new members as well, regardless of who or what it is. In my eyes, they have the most potential to live on and expand, while protecting those that live on their land.

 

[SoopaSte123]

The world has gone to hell. As historians know, anarchy is usually followed by a dictatorship, and a dictatorship is what the world needs. The mighty Caesar will conquer all the warring tribes that the NCR can't deal with and unite the world under one banner.

Yes, it will eventually crumble, but with the inevitable transition into war, larger groups will form that will become countries, which is what needs to happen opposed to keeping the multitudes of small tribes around. With countries united (probably against one another), they will then make scientific and social advances to out-do one another, thus improving human society.

Ok, so there's a little slavery, rape, and crucifixion on the way to human advancement, but the ends justify the means.

Ave, true to Caesar.

except Caesar's legion is expanding with no way to become a country. The farther he expands, the bigger the fall when Caesar dies. In short, just like Joshua Graham said, Caesar is an idiot. His troops are just tribals, who care nothing for progress outside their kill counts.

People need to be unified. "No way to become a country"? Unification means they're a country. Get everyone in one big group, homogenized so you get rid of the BoS racism and such, and the rest will take care of itself. Right now the biggest problem is everyone is of a different allegiance. I mean, in this TINY area around New Vegas think of how many factions there are.

If when Caesar dies and someone else takes over and mishandles things, if people revolt you still have a sizable group banding together, and that's what we need. No more little tribes stuff. Big picture. No one in New Vegas seems to see the big picture, but Caesar is heading down the right path. Roughly. Even if he doesn't see it.

1. Countries are more than safety.

2. destroying culture and science doesn't work. In fact it makes the legion a luddite virus upon humanity.

3. the Legion only knows how to kill. Countries are more than simple offense.

4. The power structure is fucked. When Caesar dies the tribals would find someone else to fight, and if they learn the existence of the Enclave then they will fight the Enclave. Caesar knew that a war with the Enclave would only mean their destruction. Even if they don't fight the Enclave, they would fight themselves. That means it degenerates back into little tribes, which doesn't help anyone.

5. building a nation that big in 20 years is just a retarded move. The NCR helps far more than the Legion ever did.

1. Countries are whatever you make them. Safety and unification is the first step that needs to be taken to make progress in this wasteland.

2. Destroying culture DOES work, and needs to be done in this case. The peoples of the wasteland can never be expected to cooperate if they're each bound to a different group, because they will be loyal to that group before they will be loyal to humanity. All under one flag, all working for the groups benefit.

3. Once you get big enough, you can't have EVERYONE be in the army, and they won't be. Rome didn't consist of only soldiers, and neither will the Legion. Right now conquering is the biggest necessity, so obviously you need to have a huge army. Things will change once they expand more.

4. When Caesar dies, it's not like it'll be anarchy. SOMEONE will take over, be it Lanius or someone else, and they won't just go into a wild rage and attack people all willy-nilly. They will follow chain of command, and not become individual tribals like the current state of the wasteland.

5. NCR is trash. Corrupt, flimsy government that can tax their people but can't take care of them. They need to be taken out of the picture, because they won't help further humanity, only stagnate its current crappy state. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and in this case it's dictatorship opposed to wasting time and money and resources with politics and campaigning and elections.

 

[Dragonborne88]

Apparently, according to in game lore, the Legion already has non-military personnel at their cities farther East. Vegas was just their military front. So they already have the non-combat civilians in their main town.

As for my opinion, NCR will progressively get weaker as they get bigger. They've barely expanded past California and they are already starting to fail. Not everybody will go quietly with them, and they'll get rebellions and what not tearing them apart, along with all the democratic nonsense they seem to have. The Legion has the "right idea", but will probably fail once Caesar dies, as Marcus said. The Legion is united under the front of Caesar, not his ideals.

The overarching point of Fallout is there is no right. Everything is flawed.

 

[Dalek Caan]

Brotherhood of steal, they have the right idea. Horde every bit of tech to save mankind.

 

[Daverson]

I voted Legion. Not because I necessarily agree with their views, but because as far as I can see, they're the only group capable of restoring order.

The Brotherhood and Enclave don't care people. The Enclave just wants to reclaim the surface for themselves, and the Brotherhood only care about technology.

House expects to use economics to restore order. This doesn't seem viable to me.

The NCR clearly wants to the right thing, but their too dependant on old-world tech. The brotherhood and enclave don't have as much in the way of numbers, so they can afford this, the NCR can't. Their need for things we take for granted, such as running water, electricity and good food have forced to spread further than their army is capable of controlling. The existence of gangs like the Fiends is more than enough evidence of this.

 

[StormShaun]

I think that if the Followers and the Brotherhood (East and West combined + The Lone Wanderer) combined with the NCR they could easily make the country whole again (with a hell alot of help from the Lond Wanderer and the Courier, since they are they guns and the back bone of these people)...it would easily remake civilisation.