Poll: Who Else Is Starting To Resent The Japanese?
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That's Grand Battle D.O.N. and the only reason it could be done in Japan is that because out there, Shonen Jump owns the rights to all those characters. Attempting to translate that and release it for an American Audience, and you'll have what is called Licensing Hell.LordSnakeEyes said:
Cowboy Bebop is like that other than the whole 'in space' part. Spike is pretty ordinary (for an action hero)Hardcore_gamer said:
Pretty much if you're in an action video then you aren't really "fairly normal". Unless you count "Fairly normal" as taking/dodging many bullets and a "fairly normal" bad guy as having horrible aim to be unable to hit the main guy.
Actually, in those cases it's the American rights holders that prevent you from getting the game. Because the various rights to the characters in America are all held by different companies, and they refuse to co-operate to bring you the product.LordSnakeEyes said:
If we assume that japanese corporations want to make as much money as possible like any other corporation them i guess they've come to the conclutsion that most of the Japan exlisive games wouldn't sell well on the western market.
I honestly don't think they would pass the chance to make money just to keep westerners from playing their games
I honestly don't think they would pass the chance to make money just to keep westerners from playing their games
Top Gear is better than Code Trainwreck.GuNsLiNgEr X said:
But then R2 was up against impossible competition in the form of the newest Macross series (Which was last year's #1 selling blu-ray in Japan, and not just of anime titles, and got two entries in the top ten album charts, which hasn't been done by an anime series since Evangelion). So even if they hadn't horribly fucked the entire ending up thanks to repeating the first season in eight episodes, vague and arbitrary resolution for Emperor Chuck in an episode that feels like it was written entirely on drugs, and a massively rushed contest to see who was more fabulous between Schneizel and Lelouch, it still would have looked second rate.
Japan is great because of one thing: Golden Week. Every nation in the world should have a Golden Week.
There are quite a few Japanese games that wouldn't fare well in an American market (eroge for example) and it would be a poor decision to bring them here.
As many have already pointed out licensing issues prevent such games as Jump Ultimate Stars from being released here. But if I want a game that badly I'm willing to pay a little more to import it since it really doesn't cost that much more.
As far as all the "hate" going around for anime and such I find some series to be better written than anything I could find in America. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is the most cleverly written comedy I have ever seen with so many references that only the author will know them all for sure. Gurren Lagann's theme of being able to conquer everything with your sheer will was downright inspiring. Clannad was a beautifully written love story that could make you both tear up and laugh all in the same episode. From what I've seen most people that just downright hate it have just not seen the right series. Naruto and Bleach are not representations of good anime and manga. Zetsubou Sensei, Gurren Lagann, Clannad, Hetalia (which stereotypes every single country in clever ways), Cowboy Bebop and Welcome to the NHK (Which takes an in depth look at overcoming real psychological conditions) are all good examples of this.
As many have already pointed out licensing issues prevent such games as Jump Ultimate Stars from being released here. But if I want a game that badly I'm willing to pay a little more to import it since it really doesn't cost that much more.
As far as all the "hate" going around for anime and such I find some series to be better written than anything I could find in America. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is the most cleverly written comedy I have ever seen with so many references that only the author will know them all for sure. Gurren Lagann's theme of being able to conquer everything with your sheer will was downright inspiring. Clannad was a beautifully written love story that could make you both tear up and laugh all in the same episode. From what I've seen most people that just downright hate it have just not seen the right series. Naruto and Bleach are not representations of good anime and manga. Zetsubou Sensei, Gurren Lagann, Clannad, Hetalia (which stereotypes every single country in clever ways), Cowboy Bebop and Welcome to the NHK (Which takes an in depth look at overcoming real psychological conditions) are all good examples of this.
Some games are japan exclusive for a whole lot of reasons. Usually it's because they won't be able to license its sales in the US on time, and it usually costs quite a bit to get international sales licenses. They also have to go through the annoying process of converting the game to an english game. This means hiring new voice actors, re-writing almost the entire damned dialogue script, and changing a few references so that people in the US will understand them more and not think the game was made by an idiot who didn't know how to make jokes.
It's not as simple as ship it overseas and be done with it.
It's not as simple as ship it overseas and be done with it.
I was born in Japan (I'm American though, as are my parents) and I am sometimes ashamed to see the kind of things that come out of there. Still, I have a bad obsession with collecting cool action-figures/toys, and in that category, the Japanese are some of the best.
Cowboy Bebop (there's space travel, but normal weapons), City Hunter (present day), Gunsmith Cats (present day), Initial D (street racing), and Peacemaker Kurogane (Tokugawa period Japan, realistic).Hardcore_gamer said:
Caliostro said:
Extremely high standards, if you're citing Hellsing Ultimate. High-quality realist style of artwork. Understood! ^_^
I was quoting someone else. Your quote was
That's the part that made absolutely no sense to me. "Overall" quality? Comparing Evangelion to Simpsons is like comparing apples to potatoes. Though...perhaps you were referring to something else as a "high quality" anime, and not those four?
I was confused as to Avatar's exclusion because (to me, granted) it's basically a well-done anime made to western standards: good artwork (personal taste aside, of course), great animation, multiple demographic appeal, character development, and a story that gets more mature and epic over time, culminating in an absolutely fantastic finale.
Oh, and I've never seen Shin-chan, but I'll take your word for it (since I agree with you Excel Saga is hilarious).
I'm perfectly happy being Scots-Irish in origin, why would I need to be Japanese when I can just watch anime and not be Japanese but still interpret what I see through a sociological lens? I mean it's not like Japan is perfect, there's a lot of things wrong with it, let me list three of them:
1: World War II (Nanking / Bombing of Darwin)
2: How people like me are treated over there because they think people like me are mentally retarded (I won't go into what I have that would cause me to be treated badly over there, or I will get flamed)
3: Traditionalism / ethnocentrism
Other than those three things Japan has a lot to offer in terms of fresh ideas (not just with anime, but actual technology outside of it, as well as interesting philosophy expressed in their literature). I don't really see myself as a weaboo either. In my country that word isn't even used since anime fans are really quiet and shy people here who usually keep to themselves, unless they gather in an appropriate environment, in which case arguments over anime are more High Fidelity/Nick Hornby rather than rabid Japanophilism. I get offended whenever some American assumes I am another American (I am Australian) who is a weaboo just because I like anime. Big freaking deal. I don't diss you for watching stuff like He-Man and Transformers... why would Americans assume all anime fans are the same?
1: World War II (Nanking / Bombing of Darwin)
2: How people like me are treated over there because they think people like me are mentally retarded (I won't go into what I have that would cause me to be treated badly over there, or I will get flamed)
3: Traditionalism / ethnocentrism
Other than those three things Japan has a lot to offer in terms of fresh ideas (not just with anime, but actual technology outside of it, as well as interesting philosophy expressed in their literature). I don't really see myself as a weaboo either. In my country that word isn't even used since anime fans are really quiet and shy people here who usually keep to themselves, unless they gather in an appropriate environment, in which case arguments over anime are more High Fidelity/Nick Hornby rather than rabid Japanophilism. I get offended whenever some American assumes I am another American (I am Australian) who is a weaboo just because I like anime. Big freaking deal. I don't diss you for watching stuff like He-Man and Transformers... why would Americans assume all anime fans are the same?
Most of these imports you speak of are obscure niche titles exclusive to Japan because there is just no market for it in the States, even if it's a million copy seller in Japan.
There are lot of top-sellers in the states that most Japanese wouldn't bother playing, just different culture.
Besides, the Japanese are business elite and this includes the game developers. They know if a westerner wants a particular game that bad, then he will import it. Hence, your friend who has said imports.
There are lot of top-sellers in the states that most Japanese wouldn't bother playing, just different culture.
Besides, the Japanese are business elite and this includes the game developers. They know if a westerner wants a particular game that bad, then he will import it. Hence, your friend who has said imports.
Your opinion on Traditionalism / ethnocentrism is just that, opinion. You speak of Japan like it's a curious oddity for you to observe for your amusement. I shudder to think of a world where every country should be the same and follow one region's views of 'normal' and without 'problems'.NewGeekPhilosopher said:
Yeah, but see, American games are pretty often nothing special in the first place.Clashero said:
Note: I am not flaming the japanese so much as I am expressing my anger towards their poor business choices.[/quote]
Then you could've worded the G-ddamn title that way. Honestly, would it have been so difficult to name the thread something less offensive, like "Is Anyone Else Starting to Resent Japanese Business Practices?"?
In response to your question: Yes and No. On the one hand, there are a lot Japanese exclusives that I would love to play, but on the other hand, I know I'm in the minority for most of them. Honestly, localization costs money, sometimes even a lot of money, and if a game flops, that's a lot of money gone down the drain. A lot of Japanese exclusives are games that wouldn't appeal to a lot of Westerners, and therefore not worth the risk. Trust me, I would love to be able to play Thunder Force VI right now, but at the same time, I know that scrolling shooters have too few fans in the United States, and the company who made it wouldn't benefit at all from it's release.
I know you're upset that you can't play certain games, but you have to remember that Gaming is a business,
Then you could've worded the G-ddamn title that way. Honestly, would it have been so difficult to name the thread something less offensive, like "Is Anyone Else Starting to Resent Japanese Business Practices?"?
In response to your question: Yes and No. On the one hand, there are a lot Japanese exclusives that I would love to play, but on the other hand, I know I'm in the minority for most of them. Honestly, localization costs money, sometimes even a lot of money, and if a game flops, that's a lot of money gone down the drain. A lot of Japanese exclusives are games that wouldn't appeal to a lot of Westerners, and therefore not worth the risk. Trust me, I would love to be able to play Thunder Force VI right now, but at the same time, I know that scrolling shooters have too few fans in the United States, and the company who made it wouldn't benefit at all from it's release.
I know you're upset that you can't play certain games, but you have to remember that Gaming is a business,
Not saying that at all. No country doesn't have problems. Australia has problems. Japan has problems. I have problems figuring out what might seem as simple to you as simply interacting with other people. I don't know what country you come from but you seem to be well meaning about other people's cultures. I don't know, to be honest the problem I have is with the ethnocentrism and not the traditionalism, since there are some very nice traditional works by Junchiro Tanazaki which explore a different time when Japan wasn't an animation powerhouse and was dealing with both before and after effects of World War II.SyphonX said:
And I'm hardly one to think of as "normal", it's not just a regional thing. People have a hard time accepting me, for reasons I alluded to in point two. I'm not the best communicator, and sometimes I have problems expressing myself. I frequently get misinterpreted which is partly my fault.
If it was truly a poor business choice, then it wouldn't be such a universal practice. You're forgetting some of the truly huge hassles of releasing games in the U.S., esp. games intended for the Japanese market. Just getting a useful TRANSLATION can be an expensive endeavor and a lot of people don't like to play games they can't understand. There has to be a predictable MASS MARKET for it to be worth the effort to release these games in the U.S.LordSnakeEyes said:
If you really don't like it, start up your own company and make some interesting games. Or move to Japan. Or, god, get off your ass and find another hobby for when the game well dries up.