Poll: Who would win in a fight? Harry Potter or Vegeta?

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Vegeta, assuming he got right down to it and didn't stand there and talk for 20 mins first although that might be a tall order. He SHOULD win without any contest but since it is Vegeta he would probably be an arrogant asshole about it, get owned by something simple like a stun spell and the others would have to step in.
 

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DementedSheep said:
Vegeta, assuming he got right down to it and didn't stand there and talk for 20 mins first although that might be a tall order. He SHOULD win without any contest but since it is Vegeta he would probably be an arrogant asshole about it, get owned by something simple like a stun spell and the others would have to step in.
This was effectively meant to be my entire arguement.
 

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Vegeta, Harry won't use the killing curse and Vegeta can take a stupify without even flinching. Vegeta would punch Harry in the face so hard his fist will come out on the face side.
 

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Vegeta. It's not even a contest. Let me put this in perspective for you. Goku could see and dodge individual machine gun rounds and shatter boulders with his fists when he was a kid. He only got stronger as the series progressed and at the start of the Saiyan arc was still considered laughably weak compared to Vegeta and Nappa. At that point Vegeta against Harry would be a mismatch, and once again Vegeta and Goku only grew stronger, faster, more skilled and more powerful as the series progressed. To give you an idea of how laughable this got, the average human could be expected to have a "power level" of around 5 or so. Goku was introduced with a power level of 10 (see the aforementioned boulder crushing for perspective there) at the start of the Dragon Ball franchise, Vegeta was introduced with a power level of 18,000 and the capacity to destroy planets. One could very well argue that a Wizard is above the average of 5, but I don't think you can argue that they're 3600 times better than an average human.

Now, ignoring for a minute that speed alone puts the ball thoroughly in Vegeta's court and that the only way to bypass that is if Harry acts incredibly out of character, we also have Vegeta's enormously greater combat experience to consider, and the fact that nothing in Harry's arsenal should by rights be able to put Vegeta down. Harry does not use Avada Kadavera. He stopped using Secumsempra as soon as he realized what it did. Stupefy might work (though as a spell that can be tracked with the eye, it fails in practice due to the aforementioned speed issue), but the key word there is "might". For starters, various species in Harry Potter have shown a natural resistance to it which allows them to brush it off with hardly a moment's pause, including Hagrid the half-giant. Additionally, it's one of the spells that can be guarded against to negate its effects. And as a humanoid alien who routinely brushes off blows to the head that could flatten mountains and has an incredibly powerful 'ki' aura to boot...the idea that a spell designed to disable regular humans would affect him is questionable. Not impossible, but it cannot be assumed to be a given as it has never been attempted on anything remotely comparable and we know it lacks universal application.

To even give Harry a fighting chance we have to first assume that he's acting out of character, then assume that he has far greater magical knowledge than he was ever shown to possess, then ignore Vegeta's enormous physical advantage (particularly in the sheer speed department)...and it keeps on going. That's not a "who would win" question, that's a "how much can we stack the deck to make this a fight" question.
 

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Plus, to the guy thinking he's like Batman, he's nothing like Batman at all.
I was being generous.

Essentially, Bat vs Sups is what this thread is, once you start throwing in the 'But Magic Can Do Anything so SUCK IT' argument. I mean, maybe if you picked Harry Dresden, you could have an intellectual argument on the matter. But essentially what this is is 'Subpar Wizard with a Destiny vs. Physical God.'
The magic really can't do everything. This was one of the series underlying themes, the reason Voldemort was wrong, aside from being a bald noseless git who was just blatently fucking evil. Still, if you want to put your faith in magic at this point, let's just recall that they broke that already with a flying candy ball that kicked ass. And even if that wasn't Vegeta alone, it's just too ridiculous to take magic seriously in that context.

You seem to think I'm advocating for Harry Potter, instead of mocking someone elses ascertains.

I am unsure why.
Hmmm? 'Magic can't do everything' discussion value. What?
 

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The correct answer is that whoever the person writing this story wanted to win would win, because reasons.

See also: "How do you kill a vampire?"
 

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Vegeta gets my vote. Harry doesn't use the killing spell, and if Vegeta did give him a free hit, odds are it wouldn't do much. Harry's spells are about stunning or disarming, both things that Vegeta can take in droves. There's also the fact that he's not human, so magic might not even work on him. Saiyans are tougher than normal humans, so I doubt Vegeta's going down with just one spell.

On the flip side, Vegeta has one thing that Harry simply can't hope to match. It's not his power, it's not the fact that he's a Super Saiyan, it's not the fact that he can deflect pure energy with his hand, or even the fact that he has no problem wasting his opponent.
It's his speed.
As we've seen time and time again in the Dragon Ball universe, these fighters push themselves beyond human limits. Recall, in the Cell saga, that once the fight got serious, normal people could no longer follow the action. All the Z fighters just stood there, moving their eyes, but the TV crew saw nothing. They thought the people had vanished. Vegeta just needs to push his speed up to that and Harry would not be able to keep up. This is borderline teleporting for the Z fighters, and Vegeta is one of the strongest ones. It really wouldn't be a contest.
All Harry would need is a time dilation spell and it would render Vegeta's speed useless. Magic does work on Vegeta (Babadi's possesion spell, dragoballs themselves) so there would be a ridiculous number of speels that could deal with him.

That being said, if Vegeta wasn't arrogant or cocky, which he always is, he might have a chance.
Are there time spells in Harry Potter though? Not time travel trinkets, but spells that actually slow time or speed time up? I haven't read Harry Potter in years, and the movies didn't really stick in my head after the first one, but I don't recall anyone ever busting out, for lack of a better term, 'Slow!' as a spell.
Now, if there are spells like that (and I'm just completely forgetting them), there's still the problem of hitting Vegeta with it. As far as I know, there are no area-of-affect spells in Harry Potter. They are all kind of point-and-shoot spells, which again, Vegeta can dodge in his sleep.
 

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These are so pointless. Either can win provided the right handwaves, it's just a matter of who the writer is rooting for.
 

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Vegeta. It's not even a contest. Let me put this in perspective for you. Goku could see and dodge individual machine gun rounds and shatter boulders with his fists when he was a kid. He only got stronger as the series progressed and at the start of the Saiyan arc was still considered laughably weak compared to Vegeta and Nappa. At that point Vegeta against Harry would be a mismatch, and once again Vegeta and Goku only grew stronger, faster, more skilled and more powerful as the series progressed. To give you an idea of how laughable this got, the average human could be expected to have a "power level" of around 5 or so. Goku was introduced with a power level of 10 (see the aforementioned boulder crushing for perspective there) at the start of the Dragon Ball franchise, Vegeta was introduced with a power level of 18,000 and the capacity to destroy planets. One could very well argue that a Wizard is above the average of 5, but I don't think you can argue that they're 3600 times better than an average human.

Now, ignoring for a minute that speed alone puts the ball thoroughly in Vegeta's court and that the only way to bypass that is if Harry acts incredibly out of character, we also have Vegeta's enormously greater combat experience to consider, and the fact that nothing in Harry's arsenal should by rights be able to put Vegeta down. Harry does not use Avada Kadavera. He stopped using Secumsempra as soon as he realized what it did. Stupefy might work (though as a spell that can be tracked with the eye, it fails in practice due to the aforementioned speed issue), but the key word there is "might". For starters, various species in Harry Potter have shown a natural resistance to it which allows them to brush it off with hardly a moment's pause, including Hagrid the half-giant. Additionally, it's one of the spells that can be guarded against to negate its effects. And as a humanoid alien who routinely brushes off blows to the head that could flatten mountains and has an incredibly powerful 'ki' aura to boot...the idea that a spell designed to disable regular humans would affect him is questionable. Not impossible, but it cannot be assumed to be a given as it has never been attempted on anything remotely comparable and we know it lacks universal application.

To even give Harry a fighting chance we have to first assume that he's acting out of character, then assume that he has far greater magical knowledge than he was ever shown to possess, then ignore Vegeta's enormous physical advantage (particularly in the sheer speed department)...and it keeps on going. That's not a "who would win" question, that's a "how much can we stack the deck to make this a fight" question.
Thank you, you have backed up everything I was trying to say but didn't have enough knowledge of Harry Potter to do so.
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
Stephen O said:
Sniper Team 4 said:
Vegeta gets my vote. Harry doesn't use the killing spell, and if Vegeta did give him a free hit, odds are it wouldn't do much. Harry's spells are about stunning or disarming, both things that Vegeta can take in droves. There's also the fact that he's not human, so magic might not even work on him. Saiyans are tougher than normal humans, so I doubt Vegeta's going down with just one spell.

On the flip side, Vegeta has one thing that Harry simply can't hope to match. It's not his power, it's not the fact that he's a Super Saiyan, it's not the fact that he can deflect pure energy with his hand, or even the fact that he has no problem wasting his opponent.
It's his speed.
As we've seen time and time again in the Dragon Ball universe, these fighters push themselves beyond human limits. Recall, in the Cell saga, that once the fight got serious, normal people could no longer follow the action. All the Z fighters just stood there, moving their eyes, but the TV crew saw nothing. They thought the people had vanished. Vegeta just needs to push his speed up to that and Harry would not be able to keep up. This is borderline teleporting for the Z fighters, and Vegeta is one of the strongest ones. It really wouldn't be a contest.
All Harry would need is a time dilation spell and it would render Vegeta's speed useless. Magic does work on Vegeta (Babadi's possesion spell, dragoballs themselves) so there would be a ridiculous number of speels that could deal with him.

That being said, if Vegeta wasn't arrogant or cocky, which he always is, he might have a chance.
Are there time spells in Harry Potter though? Not time travel trinkets, but spells that actually slow time or speed time up? I haven't read Harry Potter in years, and the movies didn't really stick in my head after the first one, but I don't recall anyone ever busting out, for lack of a better term, 'Slow!' as a spell.
Now, if there are spells like that (and I'm just completely forgetting them), there's still the problem of hitting Vegeta with it. As far as I know, there are no area-of-affect spells in Harry Potter. They are all kind of point-and-shoot spells, which again, Vegeta can dodge in his sleep.
This is another argument I was putting across, vegeta would easily dodge any spell Harry threw at him, thanks man!
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
These are so pointless. Either can win provided the right handwaves, it's just a matter of who the writer is rooting for.
We're not basing this on story or backup from supporting cast etc.

Harry and his magic against Vegeta and his flawed moral superiority and fighting skills.

I think magic would beat Vegeta.
 

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If this thread continues the way it does, I shall have to pull a Scottish Independence Referendum...

Admit defeat, then in the future decide I was right after all and hold another vote.
 

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Stephen O said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
These are so pointless. Either can win provided the right handwaves, it's just a matter of who the writer is rooting for.
We're not basing this on story or backup from supporting cast etc.

Harry and his magic against Vegeta and his flawed moral superiority and fighting skills.

I think magic would beat Vegeta.
But Harry doesn't/wouldn't kill, even in self-defense. And Vegeta can come back from the afterlife as much as he wants anyway.
 

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Vegeta will have planted a messy bespectacled new tree in the ground before Harry could utter the first syllable of a spell.

So....yeah. This 'vs' seems ...bizarre and obvious.
 

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Forgetting plot armor, the question is who could attack fastest... and without doubt that's Vegeta. The characters in dragon ball move so fast that multiple punches could land in the time it takes an average human to register the first punch and as the series progressed movement became imperceptible to the untrained human eye/

Pre-super saiyan Vegeta could land a hundred punches on harrys face in the time it takes for him to inhale the breath required to cast. Super Saiyan Vegeta could make him explode his pinky finger before Harry could register he was there to begin with.

As with any clash of lores, accounting for plot armor means a stalemate. Harry Potter lore consists of spells that seemingly exist solely as deus ex machinas to resolve a narrative impasse. Dragon Ball lore implies that you can become so strong as to be effectively immune to damage or hostile influence... also apparently death isn't permanent for many.
 

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Vegeta.

It's not even a contest the gap between them is so wide.

and mind you, I'm talking about the Vegeta that arrived on Earth with Nappa, NOT, the Vegeta from the new movie or even the end of DBZ.
 

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Yeah, Vegeta is gonna win this fight. Even when Vegeta DOES offer his competitor a free hit, that's normally after the first assault. Vegeta can easily kill Harry in a single attack and while I'm sure a shield charm could defend against a chi-attack (and maybe even the signature chi-attacks), Vegeta simply moves more quickly than Harry will be able to cast spells, even non-verbal spells. It's unclear if a shield charm even defends against physical attacks (though it may throw Vegeta back momentarily).

Psychologically, I don't think Harry is capable of killing Vegeta. He would try stunning him until help would arrive. Vegeta of course, has no issue with killing his enemies. Even if Harry DID kill Vegeta, Dragon Balls would be enough to bring him back. As for Harry's protection, ie his mother's love, that was a special bit of protection that only worked against Tom Riddle.

Magic might be able to beat Vegeta but based on the rules of magic in the HP-universe and the rules of Chi-manipulation and Saiyan powers as established in DBZ, Harry would be utterly defeated before Vegeta could properly taunt the guy.
 

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I hate DBZ and enjoy Harry Potter. I still think Vageta wins the fight in about 1 second and doesn't even break the tiniest bit of a sweat. He'd kill Harry before he even has time to start a spell.
 

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Vageta if he was competent...
Harry if he's like Voldemort...

Only one of these conditions is more likely to happen... Choose wisely... ;p