Poll: Who would win in a fight? Harry Potter or Vegeta?

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Well, this depends on how you want to argue this one. It's sort of like a Batman Vs. Superman argument. Harry Potter is a character who would arguably be based around planning and preparation. Like Batman if it's just a straight fight against Superman he's paste, but if he has a chance to prepare it's a lot more interesting. Consider for example that Superman's arch enemy, a guy who has defeated him before, is Lex Luthor, who is also 100% planning and preparation.

To make this point for example Harry Potter has the deathly hallows at the peak of his powers. He is by definition carrying a wand that makes him invincible, a cloak that makes him so invisible that not even death itself can find him, and a stone that lets him come back from the dead. Even at the end of the series he still has the cloak.

While not used to it's full potential in the series it should be also noted that Hogwarts has access to temporal manipulation devices like the "Time Tuner" which Hermione had, which as used in the stories can be used to allow Harry a second chance at anything (needless to say this wasn't used more often).

To put this into perspective if one argues not even the metaphysical force of death can detect Harry when he's invisible, it would work on Vegeta, this would guarantee Harry the first shot if he approached that way and he could easily turn Vegeta into something harmless like a mouse and then feed him cheese for the rest of his existence. Even if one argues Vegeta got the first shot it can be argued he would indeed kill Harry, but if he had possession of the right artifacts, especially using them in conjunction, he could come back, and then do the same basic thing. See one can argue that Vegeta can return from death as well (death doesn't stick from what I've seen in DBZ) but Harry has the ability to prevent that by just rendering Vegeta powerless.

It goes beyond the scope of the series to know what would happen if say Harry prepared for the fight by say using a strand of hair from another DBZ being more powerful than Vegeta and then assumed that form as well, something capable of withstanding an initial attack inherently even if Harry didn't have the practiced fighting skills, of course with enough Polyjuice potion and patience one could make a case for him turning into a magic using super-saiyan or whatever as long as he kept dosing.

I didn't answer the poll because my answer is a "it depends on the circumstances", and I confess I tend to take the underdog side in cases like this. In short if stealth and guile are allowed to enter the equasion then yeah, Harry would take him down easily. To be honest I don't even think Harry is less powerful as he develops, he can do more with his power than Vegeta can do with his (it's all geared towards destruction) it's mostly a question because Vegeta is so bloody fast, and both characters could end it with one strike. Of course it should be also noted Harry Potter as a mature wizard can teleport like a lot of DBZ characters can, he's just prohibited from doing so for most of the books so it rarely comes up, and teleportation gives him one of the quintessential ways of avoiding a DBZ level attack. That said I do think his cloak of invisibility is going to be the real clincher here because it's not a *normal* cloak of invisibility which also exist in that world apparent, it's powerful on a metaphysical level. Another argument I'd also raise is we do not know what the upper level of wizardly defenses are, mostly they block each others spells, we do not see them really facing an overwhelming physical or energy based attack, one could potentially argue that if he was ready Harry, like most wizards, could deflect a destructive attack like one of Vegeta's with a simple gesture of his wand, especially if Vegeta used energy, but still I think the point made about teleportation is Harry's best defense.

I'm sure many people will overlook my points though (hey I think they are some good ones). After all it seems the majority are deeply committed to Harry as the loser.... come on Potter fans, join me and rally! :)
 

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MonsterCrit said:
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I'd have to say Harry Potter.. because vegeta is much more powerful. let me explain Vegeta likes to boast and brag and talk big. Any DBZ fan knows theres a direct correlation between How much vegeta boasts and brags and how severely he gets beaten down.

The most famous example being the fight with broly. Declares himself the prince of all saiyans and demands broly kneel...he is taken down in One shot.

So naturally. By that law... Vegata would be boasting and bragging up a storm and then get humiliatingly Avra KaSHUTYOFACED by Harry.
By that rationale, just as Vegeta is a braggart, Harry is a ponz who would never cast Avada Kedabra.
The thing is Harry might not have to cast any spell... if Vegeta was allowed to talk and monologue long enough Harry could probably beat him with a finger flick to the forehead. That's VEgeta's law. The more he talks the more embarassing the beat down.
That doesn't make sense by any definition of the word sense.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
MonsterCrit said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
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I'd have to say Harry Potter.. because vegeta is much more powerful. let me explain Vegeta likes to boast and brag and talk big. Any DBZ fan knows theres a direct correlation between How much vegeta boasts and brags and how severely he gets beaten down.

The most famous example being the fight with broly. Declares himself the prince of all saiyans and demands broly kneel...he is taken down in One shot.

So naturally. By that law... Vegata would be boasting and bragging up a storm and then get humiliatingly Avra KaSHUTYOFACED by Harry.
By that rationale, just as Vegeta is a braggart, Harry is a ponz who would never cast Avada Kedabra.
The thing is Harry might not have to cast any spell... if Vegeta was allowed to talk and monologue long enough Harry could probably beat him with a finger flick to the forehead. That's VEgeta's law. The more he talks the more embarassing the beat down.

That doesn't make sense by any definition of the word sense.
IT's simple. The more boastful Vegeta is before and during a fight, The more he winds up being humiliated.

This pretty much sums up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoEF30QFmQ

So HArry's STrategy would be simple. Encourage Vegeta to talk. Really get him going on how great he is and how strong and unvbelievably powerful he is, Then, KO him with a sneeze. WHich knowing Harry's Deus Ex Machina would likely cause him to accidentally vocalize some forgotten super-spell.
 

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Therumancer said:
Er, first of all, Harry's not a planner. His most recurrent character flaws are - in no particular order - anger, short-sightedness, impulsiveness, and occasional arrogance. Perhaps best summed up by the phrase "hot-headedness". If we were talking about Dumbledore, Voldemort, Hermione, or Snape...those are planners. Harry's "saving people thing" (to borrow Hermione's phrasing) means he tends far more towards going in guns blazing. This is a guy, mind you, who didn't register that someone he was trying to pass a coded message to[footnote]"They've got Padfoot at the place where it's hidden"[/footnote] would have to feign ignorance of its meaning when directly prodded about it by someone who just tried to dose him with truth serum because she was convinced he was hiding something.

Second, with regards to the Deathly Hallows, you're going off of the bedtime story version, with the books themselves suggesting that the truth about them was that they were just exceptional magical items created by brilliant and powerful wizards, and naturally subjected to some exaggeration. The Elder Wand was powerful, but was only ever purported to make the wielder invincible in a duel, and the inaccuracy of that was hinted at through Dumbledore beating Grindelwald and claiming the wand afterwards, to say nothing of Draco disarming him in Half-Blood Prince. The resurrection stone even in legend only allowed the wielder to summon specters of the dead to converse with, not true resurrection. And throughout the series we're shown that the invisibility cloak was just a very good invisibility cloak whose spell was apparently permanent and true invisibility. That did not, however, mean that the user(s) were beyond detection, as they often had conversations with people outside the cloak, Mad Eye Moody's eye was shown to penetrate the illusion, and if memory serves, the Marauder's Map also revealed the location of those hidden by the cloak.

And third, regarding polyjuice potion...ignoring for a minute that pretty much everything in DBZ was a learned ability rather than something that the user had an innate mastery of, polyjuice potion is directly stated to only work on human transformations. The simple fact that Hagrid had giant blood in him meant that nobody could use polyjuice potion to take on his appearance. We have no reason to believe that it would work on Saiyans any more than half-giants.
 

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I was discussing this with my girlfriend and we have very opposing views.

She thinks Vegeta would win, and if it was just a brawl, he probably would, but taking everything about the characters into account I think Potter would be the victor.

Think about it, Vegeta basically lets Cell upgrade so he can get a challenge, then fails miserably. He lets Majin Buu get released, again, for a challenge, but fails miserably against him.
Vegeta would look at Potter, laugh, then offer him a free hit. All Potter would have to do is either stupify, or avada kadavra. Fight would be over.

Plus, Harry's protected by the most powerful spell of all. His mum's love. (aw


What do you guys think?

Sorry but Potter doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. He simply cannot precieve Vegaeta's movements. The fight would be over so fast you would think Harry spontaneosly dematerialized.

Also Potter lost HARD to Luke Skywalker in DEATHBATTLE, and Luke (much as I love him) has nothing on Vegeta either.

Next question?
I think he needed to be more specific. I'm no Potter expert, but I assume that the death spell (what's it called?) would be all he needs, and Vegeta likely wouldn't be in any hurry to dodge or attack someone with a power level of 0.00000001 like Harry. Considering Vegeta's famed cockiness, I could see him easily underestimating the kid and letting him take the first shot. Still, the outcome is not certain. Even if he's just toying with Harry, will he dodge Harry's spell (can spells be dodged?), will he try to swat it away, will he let himself get hit so he can walk it off and break Harry's spirit, or will he just destroy Harry in disgust with a blast from him finger? It all comes down to how Vegeta in his cockiness, reacts to someone he sees as a harmless kid.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
MonsterCrit said:
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I'd have to say Harry Potter.. because vegeta is much more powerful. let me explain Vegeta likes to boast and brag and talk big. Any DBZ fan knows theres a direct correlation between How much vegeta boasts and brags and how severely he gets beaten down.

The most famous example being the fight with broly. Declares himself the prince of all saiyans and demands broly kneel...he is taken down in One shot.

So naturally. By that law... Vegata would be boasting and bragging up a storm and then get humiliatingly Avra KaSHUTYOFACED by Harry.
By that rationale, just as Vegeta is a braggart, Harry is a ponz who would never cast Avada Kedabra.
The thing is Harry might not have to cast any spell... if Vegeta was allowed to talk and monologue long enough Harry could probably beat him with a finger flick to the forehead. That's VEgeta's law. The more he talks the more embarassing the beat down.
That doesn't make sense by any definition of the word sense.
He's using DBZ logic. In DBZ, the more time Vegeta spends boasting, the worse his beatdown is afterwards. In all honesty, it's mainly just a joke at the expense of the formula DBZ's writers use.
 

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inu-kun said:
Didn't anyone watch Dragon Ball? Vegeta will lose but then Goku will arrive and beat Harry. So I say Goku.
Unless Harry promises to buy Goku a pizza.
 

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I can't see any possible scenario where Harry wins. Avada Kedavra is the only thing Harry can use which has a chance of killing him, and even then 2 big things get in the way of that;

1) Harry likely wouldn't use it since he's against using it
2) It might not even kill Vegeta

Avada doesn't always kill - there has to be enough power behind it. Mad Eye Moody makes the comment in Goblet of Fire that there needs to be enough power behind it for it work, and uses the example that the classroom of teenagers facing him could at most (and in unison) give him a nosebleed. Harry likely could kill a human, but Vegeta is a Saiyan & a powerful one at that. There's also a great possibility that he could dodge it.

Even assuming Harry does kill him, Vegeta would eventually come back and kill him dead before he gets the chance to do anything.
 

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Therumancer said:
Er, first of all, Harry's not a planner. His most recurrent character flaws are - in no particular order - anger, short-sightedness, impulsiveness, and occasional arrogance. Perhaps best summed up by the phrase "hot-headedness". If we were talking about Dumbledore, Voldemort, Hermione, or Snape...those are planners. Harry's "saving people thing" (to borrow Hermione's phrasing) means he tends far more towards going in guns blazing. This is a guy, mind you, who didn't register that someone he was trying to pass a coded message to[footnote]"They've got Padfoot at the place where it's hidden"[/footnote] would have to feign ignorance of its meaning when directly prodded about it by someone who just tried to dose him with truth serum because she was convinced he was hiding something.

Second, with regards to the Deathly Hallows, you're going off of the bedtime story version, with the books themselves suggesting that the truth about them was that they were just exceptional magical items created by brilliant and powerful wizards, and naturally subjected to some exaggeration. The Elder Wand was powerful, but was only ever purported to make the wielder invincible in a duel, and the inaccuracy of that was hinted at through Dumbledore beating Grindelwald and claiming the wand afterwards, to say nothing of Draco disarming him in Half-Blood Prince. The resurrection stone even in legend only allowed the wielder to summon specters of the dead to converse with, not true resurrection. And throughout the series we're shown that the invisibility cloak was just a very good invisibility cloak whose spell was apparently permanent and true invisibility. That did not, however, mean that the user(s) were beyond detection, as they often had conversations with people outside the cloak, Mad Eye Moody's eye was shown to penetrate the illusion, and if memory serves, the Marauder's Map also revealed the location of those hidden by the cloak.

And third, regarding polyjuice potion...ignoring for a minute that pretty much everything in DBZ was a learned ability rather than something that the user had an innate mastery of, polyjuice potion is directly stated to only work on human transformations. The simple fact that Hagrid had giant blood in him meant that nobody could use polyjuice potion to take on his appearance. We have no reason to believe that it would work on Saiyans any more than half-giants.
I disagree, Harry is someone who has been very careful in dealing with superior opponents and making plans, sneaking around with his cloak, stealing spells and reagents, and even went so far as to raise a secret army in Dumbledore's name. He's impulsive but not when he's knowingly confronting a superior opponent.

As far as the Polyjuice potion goes, we've already seen it can cause people to transform into things other than humans through Hermione's misfire. What's more giants and half giants are specifically mentioned as being magic reistant, Saiyans are not, and indeed it can be argued magic has been used on them to great effect in the past. For all intents and purposes I'd think they would be considered human, but besides that who says you would need to use it on a Saiyan? There are plenty of very strong humans in that particular universe who have infused themselves to the point where they can survive the first attack from Vegeta. Use a hair clipping from say the Turtle Hermit or something, I'm not a huge DBZ expert, but I seem to remember he's basically a human and would probably take more than one shot from Vegeta to drop just in terms of physical resistance. Yes, conceptually that is ridiculous, but that's kind of the point.

As far as the Deathly Hallows go, it is admittedly up in the air, but the "bedtime story" version is the closest thing to a proven origin. At the end of the day we have no reason to believe Harry can be detected using his cloak unless he wants to be, and even if he can be, arguably it takes a very powerful wizard to do so, and that's not something Vegeta is.

What's more when it comes to "The Elder Wand" we have no real idea of it's power because there was always a "trick" involved to it in the fights it was involved in. Dumbledore died with it because he was poisoned and what's more allowed himself to be killed for example. Draco wasn't using it properly as he had no idea what he had. Voldemort did know but was never it's matter. We have no idea what transpired between Dumbledore and Grindlewald, but there is a reasonable chance that wasn't a straight fight since apparently Grindlewald was his gay lover. The point here though is less that the wand makes the user totally invincible but that it provides Harry with a ridiculous amount of power to draw upon, more so than that of pretty much any other wizard, at least in the brief time he has it and is it's master... and one could talk about it only applying to "dueling" but that's fundamentally what he's doing with Vegeta.

The Stone Of Immortality enhanced Nicolas Flammel's lifespan and was instrumental to Harry overcoming his "sacrifice" in the 11th hour of the book and coming back when everyone thought he was dead. The point here is I'm not entirely sure how limited that is, and I think like with the Time Tuner it prevents Vegeta winning the fight with his first shot.


My basic argument is that you can argue "yeah but" a bunch of different ways, but the bottom line this is a battle that ends with the first meaningful shot. In a face to face "high noon" confrontation Vegeta has an edge on speed, and that's pretty much the only thing that he's got in this kind of confrontation. My point is though that if you bring up any of Harry's other advantages he's got a ton of different ways of ensuring he gets the first shot, or can survive Vegeta's first shot and end the fight on the second shot. The only way you can really argue a victory for Vegeta is if you want to say Harry can't use any of his myriad other advantages. I mean sure, even if one argues that his cloak is "only" a really good invisibility cloak, that doesn't much matter because invisibility would still give him that first fight ending shot, in DBZ characters have gotten pummeled by invisible opponents before I believe.

As I said, it's like Batman Vs. Superman... or Lex Luthor Vs. Superman for that matter, if Superman just flat out wants them dead and there is nothing else to it he can vaporize them with heat vision from orbit and it's a done deal. On the other hand let the other guys have time to get ready, put their genius to work, and engage Superman at a range where they can actually do something and it becomes a much more interesting confrontation.

I mean sure, one could in theory argue any Super Saiyan could just destroy the planet as easily as someone like Superman or The Silver Surfer, but if someone like Vegeta is running around looking for challenges, sees Harry has a pretty high power level given his magical talents and the numerous artifacts he's likely carrying, well now that represents a problem. If he gives Harry the first shot it's over, if he kills harry with the first shot and Harry winds up not being dead and he counter attacks it's over, if Harry disappears long enough to say a couple of words and flick his wand it's over. If Harry is in range he can win the fight easily. If someone like Vegeta decides "well I'll throw the moon into the earth and roast marshmellows" well yeah.... on a lot of levels DBZ characters are a lot like high end DC and Marvel super heroes minus the self control and self imposed limitations. Not to mention not having their power levels fluctuate as much due to multiple writers since the same basic writer/artist does all of it (Toriama or something like that) as far as I know.

So yeah, as I said right from the beginning, it all comes down to there actually being a fight where everything comes into play during a confrontation, or if we're going to bring celestial devestation into it.
 

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If anyone says "oh well Vegeta will let Harry get a hit in," then it doesn't matter because Harry would not kill him. If we're going based purely on prowess of their respective styles, Vegeta hands down no questions asked. Anything else and it really is just purely up to the writer of the battle. In which case, all I'll say is this. A rat could kill superman if superman was chained down in a room filled with kryptonite. So yes, Harry can win if the writer says he does.
 

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Therumancer said:
While I don't want to get any further down the essay vs. essay rabbit hole (I've eagerly done so many times in the past, but I don't think it'd be much appreciated here) than we already have, I do feel obliged to point out that you're confusing the alchemic Philosopher's Stone (Sorcerer's Stone in the American release) of the first book (made and owned by Nicholas Flammel, destroyed at the end of that same book), with the Resurrection Stone of the final book. For reference sake, here's the Story of the Three Brothers which describes the items' abilities as legend depicts them, and here's the scene which shows the stone's only apparent use in the series. And for the sake of completion, here's the scene where the Philosopher's Stone appears. Very different objects, very different uses.
 

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inu-kun said:
Didn't anyone watch Dragon Ball? Vegeta will lose but then Goku will arrive and beat Harry. So I say Goku.
Yeah, Harry would win by virtue of being a protagonist and Vegeta would lose because he is 'that guy who is there to make the protagonist look better and be the bad example for moral lessons'. Since Goku is also a protagonist they neutralise each other plot armor (the most OP power of them all) and Goku wins. :p
 

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I can't see any possible scenario where Harry wins. Avada Kedavra is the only thing Harry can use which has a chance of killing him, and even then 2 big things get in the way of that;

1) Harry likely wouldn't use it since he's against using it
2) It might not even kill Vegeta

Avada doesn't always kill - there has to be enough power behind it. Mad Eye Moody makes the comment in Goblet of Fire that there needs to be enough power behind it for it work, and uses the example that the classroom of teenagers facing him could at most (and in unison) give him a nosebleed. Harry likely could kill a human, but Vegeta is a Saiyan & a powerful one at that. There's also a great possibility that he could dodge it.

Even assuming Harry does kill him, Vegeta would eventually come back and kill him dead before he gets the chance to do anything.
Thanks. I needed someone to clear that up for me. My Harry Potter lore is very limited. So, why might the spell not kill Vegeta? Isn't it basically a death spell?

Anyway, if we take their personalities into account, this will probably be a lengthier fight than I first guessed, due to Vegeta's cockiness, and Harry's reluctance to use the only spell that might kill Vegeta.
 

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Therumancer said:
While I don't want to get any further down the essay vs. essay rabbit hole (I've eagerly done so many times in the past, but I don't think it'd be much appreciated here) than we already have, I do feel obliged to point out that you're confusing the alchemic Philosopher's Stone (Sorcerer's Stone in the American release) of the first book (made and owned by Nicholas Flammel, destroyed at the end of that same book), with the Resurrection Stone of the final book. For reference sake, here's the Story of the Three Brothers which describes the items' abilities as legend depicts them, and here's the scene which shows the stone's only apparent use in the series. And for the sake of completion, here's the scene where the Philosopher's Stone appears. Very different objects, very different uses.
It has been a while, but my understanding from the books was that they were indeed one and the same item, the apparent destruction of the sorcerer's stone was a dupe so it wouldn't be expected to reappear. It's true nature not revealed (as opposed to what was said originally) until the concept of The Deathly Hallows was introduced. It has been a while however since I either watched the movies or read the books (which there are differences between) so I could be wrong but that is the understanding I came away with. Likewise my impression is that the Deathly Hallows were indeed created by death, however most people did not believe they existed because the idea was so far fetched, only a select few wizards and crackpots believing that such things were out there.

The overall point that I am making however is that one has to consider Harry's armament which includes legendary weapons just as storied in his universe as the Dragonballs are in Vegeta's. Your dealing with a character from a universe where there are children's treats that could probably floor Vegeta if he was tricked into eating them (say incapacitating him with nausea and vomiting), and we've only seen a small sampling of what magic can do in Harry's
world as well. I've largely been staying away from things that I don't think Harry could likely produce or get his hands on, like say Liquid Luck as that's supposed to be crazy difficult to make and the only characters that could likely produce it fairly casually are Slughorn and Snape (going by Snape's status as a potions master) while Harry's talents in that area improved from reading Snape's notes, I doubt he could produce that on demand. However strictly speaking if he had that we have not seen the upper limits but it could very well render him invincible if someone attacked him, with say Vegeta slipping on a banana peel and shattering his own spine in trying to make an attack, or at the very least missing to give Harry the first attack. Of course then again with his connections as an adult he might be able to get Liquid Luck, that's a debatable point, but as I said that's another fight ender I decided not to bring into things.

It's something that could go either way easily in my opinion, I simply think Harry is being too easily dismissed. Despite being children's books with a lighthearted bent, the Harry Potter conception of wizards is quite formidable even by fantasy standards in general. They use magic so easily and have such a wide array of skills they go beyond what most (but not all) RPGs allow, blending the talents of wizards, alchemists, enchanters, and other things all into one package by many standards.
 

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Auron225 said:
I can't see any possible scenario where Harry wins. Avada Kedavra is the only thing Harry can use which has a chance of killing him, and even then 2 big things get in the way of that;

1) Harry likely wouldn't use it since he's against using it
2) It might not even kill Vegeta

Avada doesn't always kill - there has to be enough power behind it. Mad Eye Moody makes the comment in Goblet of Fire that there needs to be enough power behind it for it work, and uses the example that the classroom of teenagers facing him could at most (and in unison) give him a nosebleed. Harry likely could kill a human, but Vegeta is a Saiyan & a powerful one at that. There's also a great possibility that he could dodge it.

Even assuming Harry does kill him, Vegeta would eventually come back and kill him dead before he gets the chance to do anything.
Thanks. I needed someone to clear that up for me. My Harry Potter lore is very limited. So, why might the spell not kill Vegeta? Isn't it basically a death spell?

Anyway, if we take their personalities into account, this will probably be a lengthier fight than I first guessed, due to Vegeta's cockiness, and Harry's reluctance to use the only spell that might kill Vegeta.
My basic argument has been why would Harry need to kill Vegeta? Why not just turn him into something harmless? I mean if he decides to say turn him into a Gerbil and stick him a cage somewhere that pretty much ends the fight without actually needing to kill, and wizards can transform people and things rather easily, heck they can even do it by accident. Or just erase his memory for that matter and leave him staggering around in a stupor barely able to feet himself, before presumably being sent to whatever ward they used for semi-vegetative Super Saiyans?

Besides the impression I get is that the "unforgivable curses" are mostly ways of doing very cruel things to people. Killing with magic seems to be easily accomplished through other methods, for example when Dumbledore and Voldemort went at it they weren't screwing around and Dumbledore didn't exactly appear to be using any of the illegal spells, or was not mentioned to be doing so at least.

It's like this, you can cast Avada, or transform Vegeta into a cockroach and step on him. Either works, only one of them is considered inherently illegal in the wizarding world. Ditto for fire, lightning, and all of that other good stuff... but again, Harry doesn't like to kill, and truthfully he has an almost limitless array of options for ending this with a spell which wouldn't result in Vegeta's death, and unless someone rescued him I he would likely just wind up living out the rest of his days being fed through a straw or enjoying the taste sensation of Gerbil pellets.

That said the whole idea of unforgivable curses seemed like the distinction between using the light side and dark side offensively in the expanded Star Wars stuff (which I guess is no longer canon). Basically it's considered dark side and evil to attack someone with lightning, but if you say decide to simply pulverize them with telekinetic force that's perfectly light side and acceptable as long as you don't choke them. When playing "Old Republic" either single player or online and some of the books and stuff which have used this logic, I've oftentimes wondered at exactly how stoning people to death or crushing every bone in someones into powder with direct brute force telekinesis was somehow considered morally acceptable compared to simple electrocution or asphyxiation. I mean to the guy being pelted to death by rocks over a channel, or having a giant boulder smashed into them, or screaming "arggggh!" as every inch of their body spontaneously implodes under crushing force (or they go flying back into a wall at bullet speed and their body shatters) I doubt it matters much, and frankly one could argue the dark side might strictly speaking actually be a bit more humanitarian than telekinetic execution.

Say your in Harry Potter, your being targeted, Avada might kill you nastily, but it's going to be pretty quick as opposed to say slow and gradual use of a Cruiciacious curse. But if someone say decides to turn you into a guppy and let you slowly choke to death flopping around on the ground that might be murder but it's not "unforgivable" I mean in theory you could justify doing that to someone in self defense, or while fighting. Given your option on how to die, which would you rather pick? I'm not seeing much difference.

Kind of irrelevant, but it's one of those things I think about when it comes to "good and evil" magic, super powers, etc... "Oh hey, I turned all the water in your brain into ice, but at least I didn't impale you with bone shards because that would be evil necromancy!".

At the end of the day though Harry doesn't have to kill to win this, indeed Transfiguration seems to be his strong suit (like his father).
 

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Vegeta punches Harry, and Harry becomes The Boy Who Lived (But Is Dead Now).

Game. Set. Match.
 

Smooth Operator

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Harry could cast a lethal spell, but knowing Harry he would forget he has spells for most of the fight and then cast something useless, then look all frightened and amazed, probably run away in the end.
But then again Vegeta is always looking for a fair fight, so he would probably just go fight someone else.
I'm thinking there would be no fight at all going by character.

Based solely on ability, Vegeta moves faster then our eyes can see so he could put his fist through Harries skull and be home for lunch by the time Harry blinked...