Poll: why can't students love their teachers?

[vgmaster831]

Well with younger kids its statutory rape, which is illegal. With older kids its inappropriate because it creates a very personal relationship in a situation that should be a far more professional relationship. In addition, there is a worry that the teacher is using his position of power and authority to seduce the student.

I like how every other post say that teacher are the ones doing the seducing , but not one mentions the possibility that the student is capable of seducing the teacher . As if teachers are immune to seduction or student are incapable of seducing a teacher . It's Always the teachers fault isn't it .

OT: i think as long as it isn't YOUR student it should be okay. If it's just a student at the school , or the student is no longer in your class it's fine . But then again that's just me , and i only use common sense .

Teachers are expected as part of their job to resist such seduction attempts. Just as a psychologist would be expected not to be seduced by their patient while the patient is in their care. Having such a relationship with a minor, even when the minor initiates it, is considered statutory rape and is illegal.

Also, it's kind of arrogant (and a little rude) to say that your opinion, formed by experience and preference, is just common sense. The fact that this thread exists and that most people disagree with you makes it kind of obvious that it is not common sense.

Well, power balance have already been mentioned as the reason.

There's no reason it couldn't be adapted to become a closer fit to that reasoning though, by ensuring that prosecution could only take place with the consent of the victim's legal guardians. That way, power would remain with the student/parents, while the government would not be forcing itself into the bedrooms of student/teacher relationships which all parties concerned were perfectly fine with.

The problem is that rape is a capital crime, and it's not actually the victim or the parents prosecuting the rapist, it's the state. Changing that precedent could lead to people not getting prosecuted after committing really heinous crimes for a variety of reasons.

I never said under aged , i just said students . College and university students also apply , it is just as high school students , please don't put words in my mouth . Also , and i understand this may not have been obvious from what i wrote so it's my fault , but by common sense , i didn't mean that i was right or that everyone things like me , but that as thinking as an average(common) person , without putting all the different factors together , i came up with that response . Basically while thinking as an average joe ,rather than someone of importance.

My point about professionals being expected to not have relations with students still stands. I wouldn't want to attend a school were that is allowed, and if I ran a school, I wouldn't tolerate it. It leads to favoritism and can often (but not always) lead to one party taking advantage of another.

 

[thisbymaster]

It is called a position of power, having sex with someone below you is illegal because that person isn't in a position to argue or complain without having you punished. Plus High Schoolers are COMPLETE MORONS, if you don't believe me stand outside of one and listen to the conversations, then high tail it out of there you pedo.

 

[Best of the 3]

The way I see it, teachers are, when taking care of students, in loco parentis (in place of a parent). And substitute parents do not love their kids in that way. I know it's really a way too simplified way of looking at it, but that's how I see it. It's meant to be a strictly professional relationship.

 

[BrotherRool]

There's so much that could go wrong if this is allowed

1) The teacher opens themselves up to charge/temptation of corruption as they're more invested in one student doing well
2) Pupils become vunerable to being exploited. All pupils because of their position are potentially open to being abused without even really realising it because a teacher is in a position of authority and is something of a role model during formative social years (and yes you're still forming socially at 17). You could get situations where the pupils don't even realise what they're being made to do is messed up

3) Drama. Embroiling teachers in the gossipy world of school pupils, opening them up to criticism from the parents, fights high emotions etc. There's enough trouble with pupils accusing teachers of romantic relationships, oggling people, eyeing them up as it is, without it being something thats actually permissible

Over 16 it#s not necessarily a legal matter, but a matter which the school would be well within rights to fire you over. There's plenty of companies that would do the same with a boss/underling relationship and thats magnified severely with teacher/pupil

 

[axlryder]

Legally, I don't really care. If the older teen desperately wants to fuck their teacher, then I don't think it's really going to damage the kid all that badly psychologically if they go through with it. It might cause life complications, but it's not like the kid is going to need to repress the experience.

From a more philosophical perspective though, hell no I don't think it should be okay. Teacher/student affairs are a HUGE conflict of interest and most kids are still emotionally/neurologically developing at that point anyway, so it falls on the adult to be responsible and keep their hormones in check. hell, the whole nature of the teaching position is that of a guide and mentor, not a potential source of emotional instability and complication in the students life. That's just my own perspective though.

 

[Flaery]

Pretty much what I want to say has already been said. The role of the teacher and the role of a student are st in stone. Removing the barrier between them would most certainly cause complications. A teacher may be more lenient to their lover, or a teacher may bully or take advantage of their students'.

 

[Happiness Assassin]

The fault isn't upon the student, it is upon the instructor. But you are approaching this issue from the perspective of someone you is a student and as such has no professional obligations. The instructor on the other hand crosses several lines when they engage in a relationship with a student, including possibly showing favoritism, acting in an unprofessional manner, wielding their authority over the student, or if the student is young enough, possible pedophilia.

 

[geK0]

It's considered unethical in any profession to pursue a romantic relationship with someone to whom you have a position of authority; but with highschool teachers there's also the age barrier......

 

[cerebreturns]

For the same reason it is usually illegal to have sex with a retarded person.

It's about abuse because of the person being mentally underdeveloped.

Just cause she has tit's doesn't mean she's a responsible adult. Keep fooling yourself.


Also power and authority. Teachers are there to raise a child, not to get a raise out of a child.

 

[Commissar Sae]

Because as a teacher you have a position of authority over the student. This leads to a pretty big ethical dilemma as the relationship can easily be coerced or lead to favor being given to the student in question. Plus as an actual high school teacher I have no interest in dating my slightly ridiculous students. I like them and all, but they aren't all that stable.

Edit: Plus as a young and relatively attractive male teacher, I have had numerous young girls who clearly had a bit of a crush on me. If I wasn't a morally upright individual I could have taken advantage of the situation in the worst way possible. I am there to teach them world history, now take advantage of their trust and that of their parents.

 

[uchytjes]

Its because the teacher is in a place of power over the student. The teacher could easily trick a student into thinking that they love them by favoring them over others and making it seem that they have fallen in love with the teacher.

 

[solemnwar]

Personally, I think that as long as there's no abuse of the teacher's authority going on, or any form of favouritism, etc, it's fine.

But it's hard to judge if it's happening or not, and a student can be pressured into saying that there isn't any abuse going on, and there have been many cases where a teacher has abused their position of authority. Therefore, the laws are in place. Even for university students and professors.

 

[Screamarie]

Because a teacher is a mentor and leader and decision maker in his or her student's life. Favourtism and special treatment can really harm a student's chances to learn. Beyond that does anybody REALLY want to be sitting next to a student whose seen your teacher's dick or pussy? No thank you.

But once the student is no longer a student and both parties are 18+? Fair game. If your no longer their teacher, then they're no longer your student and so it doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

[geK0]

Well with younger kids its statutory rape, which is illegal. With older kids its inappropriate because it creates a very personal relationship in a situation that should be a far more professional relationship. In addition, there is a worry that the teacher is using his position of power and authority to seduce the student.

I like how every other post say that teacher are the ones doing the seducing , but not one mentions the possibility that the student is capable of seducing the teacher . As if teachers are immune to seduction or student are incapable of seducing a teacher . It's Always the teachers fault isn't it .

Yes. Because the teacher is the professional adult. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for who you touch with your private bits. If you say, "I can't help it, they seduced me!" then you're not an adult- you're a child in an adult's body.

That's really just an argument of semantics though.

The more correct way of putting it would be to say that they are not a responsible or reasonable adult.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I vote yes, mainly because of the implications of the profession, even barring any normal morality, it causes certain breaks in the level of professionalism in the environment of the classroom, and hell the school entirely. Same reason I don't think it's a good idea to have sex with a co-worker, and think that having any form of relationship at that level with an employer is just out of the question.

 

[lacktheknack]

Because it's a prime set up for:

-Statutory rape
-Blackmail
-Pedophilia
-Taking advantage of authority
-Academic bribing
-Academic dishonesty

And rather than wading through all that just in case it's a rare exception for all of the above, it's easier and smarter just to say "don't do it, you sickos".

What, are you also annoyed that people look down on porking the boss? There's reasons (glaringly obvious ones) why that's a faux pas.

 

[The_Echo]

No, it shouldn't be illegal to have student-teacher relationships. (My thoughts concerning age are best kept for a different conversation.) If the student is still under the care of their parents/legal guardians, then they should have a say in the matter.

Yes, if there is enough evidence of favoritism (like skewed grades) because of the relationship, there should be consequences. Not jailtime, but something.