Really hating on a genre is silly. people have different tastes in music. I used to listen to heavy metal but it just wasnt my thing.
Poll: Why do lots of people hate Heavy Metal?
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This sums up as to why I generally avoid heavy metal, even though it's only a few sub-genres of metal that I don't really like. I was chatting with someone who was into metal, and he linked me this song. It sounded really nice but the horrible screeching/screaming over it completely killed it.sravankb said:
I personally believe talented musicians will be able to make good music regardless of the genre. Some genres though I just feel either appeal to untalented musicians or just don't sound very musical to me.
I will admit that I personally like music with cleaner tones, this is probably why I like metal that was jazz or classically influenced. I really like symphonic metal and progressive though, I sometimes envy people who are more into that.
I do however find it very narrow-minded to dislike a genre for cultural reasons. You just got to respect other people's beliefs. However, some people like listening to certain music over others, and that's fine by me I guess. Blaming music towards unhealthy behaviour is wrong imo. It's usually due to the individual and their perspective of the situation.
So go ahead, if it sounds good, it's fine regardless of genre, I think it's fair to like almost every genre. Except death metal... and the like. Why would someone enjoy listening to that except for cultural reasons? (Just kidding)
The worst response that can be given to music is apathy. That is when music is bad.
I like Avenged Sevenfold, System of a Down and others along that line. I realise their kinda soft compared to some but I like the music to retain a semblance of lyrical quantity as opposed to pure scream. Though i have heard screamo that i Like.
That's actually another thing.moretimethansense said:
Do you guys in the metal genre have any idea how alienating it is to an outsider to keep tacking terms onto your music? Epic metal? Power metal? Angry metal?
Do you have any idea how different Rock n' Roll gets from it's roots in the 50's to the 90's? We don't really call it anything different. It's just rock.
To be honest, genre pidgeonholing exists in most forms of music. Rock is probably the biggest one.acosn said:
Although, I did notice that most metal fans on the internet like to mention these sub-genres more. Although, metal is a subgenre of rock anyways. And most people who mention rock mention it by their subgenre. However, rock is so popular that everyone knows them (maybe I am completely missing the point of your post).
See? Subgenres of a subgenre, maybe I am completely missing the point and that is what you're talking about.
When I sain angry metal bands, I simply meant bands that play angry music.acosn said:
As for Power Metal, Symphonic Metal, Death Metal and so on, granted it may be confusing but it does help you avoid styles of metal that aren't to your taste.
And there are different styles of rock, not as many as metal but still, and yes I know how different rock is between the 50's and 90's I'm a fan of it as well.
That's a good point, metal has been considered it's own genre so long I'd actually forgotten it was originally a sub genre of rock, now I feel stupid.Fishyash said:
Metal has very little in common with rock beyond the musical assemblage. And I use the term lightly. If metal were a subgenre of rock it's because there's absolutely no other genre it fits well with, yet people aren't bold enough to just say that it's something different and altogether new.Fishyash said:
The only reason people ever distinguished between rock and it's derivatives is because it was literally drawing on so many different influences that all genres that fed into it could accurately say, "Well it sounds like us buuuut..."
With metal it's just weird. Ok, you say Rock, I know what to expect. I can't say I know what makes bluegrass sound different from Jazz, but I'd at least know what to expect. You say Gospel, I expect an organ and a lot of talk of God. You say Folk, I expect slower music with a lot of string instruments. Within metal though? Ok, what makes epic metal different from power metal?
I don't really care much of what kind'a music people listen to, even though I only listen to rock and metal/heavy-metal (a random time classic). Always get those wierd looks pointed at me, cuz I'm one out of 20 people in class who don't listen to rap, pop or hip-hop music.....
But, if you want to listen to real good rock, metal and heavy-metal, you gotta go back to the 80's 90's, don't like the all too new bands who try to make those genres (but is making it a mix with pop and hip-hop *shivers*)
But, if you want to listen to real good rock, metal and heavy-metal, you gotta go back to the 80's 90's, don't like the all too new bands who try to make those genres (but is making it a mix with pop and hip-hop *shivers*)
heavy metal is aggresive and energetic by nature and i prefer more relaxing/classical music and the two are pretty much diametrically opposed, makes sense that i don't like it
Difference between Epic and Power?acosn said:
Honestly I have no idea, though there'll likley be someone along shortly to fill us in.
But there are big differences between many genre of metal
example
Symphonic metal - metal that is largly made using orchestral instruments.
Death metal - Death metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes. (to quote Wikipedia)
Thrash metal - Fast, agressive, fast drums and plenty of shredding.
Hope that helped.
I'm honestly one of the few people I know who doesn't enjoy metal. Never found the music terribly enjoyable. Beyond beating the shit out of people, the concerts never had much appeal. I am okay with the community, but it's nothing better than the community revolving around any other genre of music.
To me the music is grating and nothing special. No sir, I don't like it.
To me the music is grating and nothing special. No sir, I don't like it.
I can understand not liking it, just because there are tons of different types of music, many of which metal is extremely different from. I would not expect somebody who likes techno or pop or what have you to like metal because the genres have very little in common and if you like one type of sound, you're not likely to like a type of sound contradictory to that sound.
There are 2 things that people say about it that piss me off because they're not only flat out false, they're often beyond false to the point where they're the opposite of true in the same sense as saying "white is a dark color" and contradict the very reasons I like the genre.
I probably don't even need to debunk these because it's pretty much unanimous agreement here that it's just a difference in taste, but just for the sake of legitimacy you can click the spoilers if you actually need evidence to refute these or care for whatever reason.
There are 2 things that people say about it that piss me off because they're not only flat out false, they're often beyond false to the point where they're the opposite of true in the same sense as saying "white is a dark color" and contradict the very reasons I like the genre.
Unless the only metal band you've ever heard is anal **** or absolute crap bands that actually think this themselves, you have no ear for music at all if you say this. There is often an insane amount of compositional skill and talent involved in metal. Listen to Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Children of Bodom, Iced Earth, In Flames, Skeletonwitch, etc. All these sounds don't create themselves. Every note of this stuff has to be planned out and written so that everything works in harmony, and then preformed perfectly, almost entirely analog.
As for "screaming," I'll admit, certain vocal style's are an acquired taste, but even ignoring the facts that a majority of metal bands use conventional singing and most unconventional lyrical styles used in metal are far more difficult to execute than actual singing is, very often they fit the song better than vanilla singing would.
I think of it more as a mix of lyrics, rhythm, and sustained percussion than I do singing, and in certain songs, this is what the composition more appropriately calls for.
Chances are what you imagined turned out really awkward.
As for "screaming," I'll admit, certain vocal style's are an acquired taste, but even ignoring the facts that a majority of metal bands use conventional singing and most unconventional lyrical styles used in metal are far more difficult to execute than actual singing is, very often they fit the song better than vanilla singing would.
I think of it more as a mix of lyrics, rhythm, and sustained percussion than I do singing, and in certain songs, this is what the composition more appropriately calls for.
Here are the lyrics so you know what to imagine them singing. (They start at 0:08)
Sermon sung me slow to sleep
Faster if I had a choice
With every breath another death
Still so in love with your own voice
Idle threats to hide regrets
Excuses serve to bide the time
Cover tracks, double back
We summon silence so divine
Greeted with a thundering
absence of applause
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Jesus complex, gag reflex
Trigger happy redundancy
No thrill, no chase, no saving grace
Hypnotic in monotony
Loaded with a salt rock shot
You say you're everything you're not
What might have been is all you've got
From here and now you're dead to me
Greeted with a thunderous
absence of applause
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Nothing will ever erase
Or undo your disgrace
A lonely self-embrace
They've long forgotten you
Still cling to what it was
A lost and hopeless cause
Forever mourning your loss
They've long forgotten you
Murdered slowly in minute
increments of time
Pissing up a rope
Another moment passes by
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Sermon sung me slow to sleep
Faster if I had a choice
With every breath another death
Still so in love with your own voice
Idle threats to hide regrets
Excuses serve to bide the time
Cover tracks, double back
We summon silence so divine
Greeted with a thundering
absence of applause
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Jesus complex, gag reflex
Trigger happy redundancy
No thrill, no chase, no saving grace
Hypnotic in monotony
Loaded with a salt rock shot
You say you're everything you're not
What might have been is all you've got
From here and now you're dead to me
Greeted with a thunderous
absence of applause
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Nothing will ever erase
Or undo your disgrace
A lonely self-embrace
They've long forgotten you
Still cling to what it was
A lost and hopeless cause
Forever mourning your loss
They've long forgotten you
Murdered slowly in minute
increments of time
Pissing up a rope
Another moment passes by
Choke on your own words
Lies are venom in your veins
Burn from the inside
And never speak my name
Chances are what you imagined turned out really awkward.
I probably don't even need to debunk these because it's pretty much unanimous agreement here that it's just a difference in taste, but just for the sake of legitimacy you can click the spoilers if you actually need evidence to refute these or care for whatever reason.
*High Fives*TonyCapa said:
The majority of people in my school always say that if you listen to something mainstream, your weird and stupid.
Though that's my wording.
"Hey, Man! Ef you dn't lyek dis shit, you mus be gay!"
...
I'm not kidding you that is how the people in my school talk. =/
Personally I don't like Metal or Heavy Metal, as I often just find it as bunch of loud noises thrown together and people who's balls dropped around 7 times screaming, but that is just my lack of preference.
Depends what you call mainstream, the UK has several major festivals pretty much are for Heavy Metal and the like.Stephanos132 said:
OP: It all comes down to a very simple phrase, each to their own. Seriously thats it. Just let them think whatever the hell they want it should be no skin off your back.
also:
I hope you weren't being seriousTonyCapa said:
It all come down to taste.
I enjoy metal in certain moods. I believe that every genre of music is capable of producing quality music. I'm one of the few people I know who means it literally when I say I listen to just about everything.
Personally, I have two qualms with metal. A) Like I said, it's good when I'm in the right mood. But sometimes it's just to big and loud. You gotta have nice peaceful music too. Which brings me to B) metalheads. I enjoy a very wide variety of music...and most metalheads I run into do not. They listen to metal exclusively and think everything else is garbage. So, I have a little bit of a bias towards the genre because the people who indulge in it have come off as pricks to me. Personal bias.
Again though, it's like I said. Personal taste. A lot of my friends hate metal because it's just too angry for them. They don't like their music to scream at them, and that's a fair point.
I enjoy metal in certain moods. I believe that every genre of music is capable of producing quality music. I'm one of the few people I know who means it literally when I say I listen to just about everything.
Personally, I have two qualms with metal. A) Like I said, it's good when I'm in the right mood. But sometimes it's just to big and loud. You gotta have nice peaceful music too. Which brings me to B) metalheads. I enjoy a very wide variety of music...and most metalheads I run into do not. They listen to metal exclusively and think everything else is garbage. So, I have a little bit of a bias towards the genre because the people who indulge in it have come off as pricks to me. Personal bias.
Again though, it's like I said. Personal taste. A lot of my friends hate metal because it's just too angry for them. They don't like their music to scream at them, and that's a fair point.
I've actually never heard the term "Epic Metal," though I assume it was either some stupid thing a few bands started doing in an attempt to pioneer something, or it was coined by people who didn't want bands like Dragonforce to be called power metal because of their lack of drive (it's sort of the relationship Taco Bell holds with Mexican food.) I think the comparison here would be something like, Dragonforce to Sabaton, though I can't be sure since I don't know what Epic Metal is.acosn said:
This kind of thing I can agree is just getting to the point where you're splitting hairs, though metal is such a vast genre that it gets too monstrously vague without sub genres. Death Metal and Power Metal, for example, are EXTREMELY different. Skeletonwitch to Sabaton is a much clearer point of distinction.