Poll: Why do players in RDR firmly expect to not be attacked while doing challenges?

[Baby Tea]

I didn't realize constructive criticism was the same as trolling.

Could you point out the 'constructive' part for me?

And it's very much a fact that controllers suck at precision aiming

Well that's not true.
I've seen some incredible shots, and shooting, from people using controllers.
And I'm not too shabby myself with a controller.

Are mice more precise? Sure they are.
Do controllers suck for precision aiming? No. No they don't.

 

[VincentX3]

Pie FTW!

That is all

 

[Billion Backs]

I didn't realize constructive criticism was the same as trolling.

Could you point out the 'constructive' part for me?

And it's very much a fact that controllers suck at precision aiming

Well that's not true.
I've seen some incredible shots, and shooting, from people using controllers.
And I'm not too shabby myself with a controller.

Are mice more precise? Sure they are.
Do controllers suck for precision aiming? No. No they don't.

Nothing sucks objectively. It's all about comparison. And yes, compared to the other option, controllers -do- "suck".

"I've seen some incredible shots..." and so on is not evidence to anything. First of all, it comes from your own subjective point of view with nothing close to objective proof like screenshots, videos, and so on. They can be faked, sure, but it's still more believable then words'o'mouth, on the internet no less.

The general opinion is that controllers are, in fact, inferior when it comes to precision aiming. Ask any person who has a console and a PC and isn't completely biased in favor of the former. Consoles might have some perks, but precision aiming using controllers is not one of them, not to the same level as a mouse, at least.

As for my earlier post, it's a sarcastic one-liner. It might not be entirely constructive as the definition is, but it is certainly criticism, and it is based on reality. Aimbot in any way or form is a bad feature for a game genre that solely depends on aiming and shooting. And some moving around, I guess, but so do all. I can't imagine how it was a good idea to include it even on "easy mode", considering the effects such features have on FPS gameplay of any kind. They didn't have to make it work online, for one thing. They could use other measures to reduce the difficulty of the game if that was needed.

Aimbot is the evil, and games reducing themselves to use of aimbot as a regular feature don't deserve much respect or admiration for that. Nay, they should be mocked with scorn. And questioned, too. Why, if the controllers are so great, is aimbot needed in the first place?

 

[Nerf Ninja]

I love how some of you seem to think it's our fault other people are dicks.

 

[Petromir]

Honestly, it's a wide open PVP game, you should expect to be attacked by the occasional griefer. Fight back, do some competitive games or private free roams to rank up so your mount and guns aren't shit, and then blow them to hell when they try to attack you.

If you don't want to be attacked, private free roams are there for a reason.

so the griefers get to socialise with randoms but thsoe who are victimsied are froced to play with only people they know?

 

[Billion Backs]

I love how some of you seem to think it's our fault other people are dicks.

Free-for-all online multiplayer worlds are dog-eat-dog communities.

If you aren't strong or smart enough to find friends and kill before others kill you, too bad. Guess you didn't make the call, didn't adapt, and deserve to die.

What they do, however disagreeable you might find it, is within the rules of the game. They aren't breaking any rules, and they continue to apparently stomp you no matter how dishonorable you might find their tactics.

And that's what most multiplayer online games should be about.

 

[Petromir]

I love how some of you seem to think it's our fault other people are dicks.

Free-for-all online multiplayer worlds are dog-eat-dog communities.

If you aren't strong or smart enough to find friends and kill before others kill you, too bad. Guess you didn't make the call, didn't adapt, and deserve to die.

What they do, however disagreeable you might find it, is within the rules of the game. They aren't breaking any rules, and they continue to apparently stomp you no matter how dishonorable you might find their tactics.

And that's what most multiplayer online games should be about.

Having fun out of making other people misirable should not be.

Competitive gaming is only ever fun if there is competiton, if your opponent doesnt want to compete with you, then wouldnt it be more fun to go elsewhere where there are people who want to.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

I love how some of you seem to think it's our fault other people are dicks.

Free-for-all online multiplayer worlds are dog-eat-dog communities.

If you aren't strong or smart enough to find friends and kill before others kill you, too bad. Guess you didn't make the call, didn't adapt, and deserve to die.

What they do, however disagreeable you might find it, is within the rules of the game. They aren't breaking any rules, and they continue to apparently stomp you no matter how dishonorable you might find their tactics.

And that's what most multiplayer online games should be about.

Who said I'm incapable of fighting back or being just as cockended as they are? The difference is I choose to behave like a rational human being not a sociopath with a superiority complex who feels the need to waggle their digital dick in your face simply "because they can"

 

[gigastrike]

RDR? Like Red Dead Redemption or something? ...You should really remeber to clarify these things. Not everyone plays the same games that you do.

People who complain about getting attacked while doing non-violent activities are by no means wimps. They are simply trying to do a different activity, while other people are doing everything in their power to stop them. It's not that they're afraid of fighting, it's that other people are specifically trying to stop them from playing how they want.

Would you like it if you were playing on your X-box, and your mom comes by and pulls out the plug? You're trying to do things your way, but your mom decides that things should be done differently, and does everything in her power to stop you.

 

[zHellas]

The solution is simple.

If your the kind of person who is sensitive, can't handle pvp, can't handle a game based around an aggressive way of life, and probably a wimp.

Make a private room! Solved!

I can care less if someone tries to jump in on me when I am doing something because I am not a wimp and will fight back! Ha

Hey, asshole. It's called FREE ROAM, not PvP. It would be different if there were like 2 types of Multiplayer servers, with one being Free Roam where the only violence between players was in duels, and a PvP server where people could go around shooting each other in the face. But there isn't. Why? I dunno. But guess what? Being a dick to people isn't funny. Nor is it nice.

 

[lightingbird]

I apologize to those that I offended by saying they are wimps.

That's just my take on the matter. I was just playing and logged into blackwater where a posse was killing everyone. They quickly started one me. Did I flip out? Did I start ragging? Did I scream that it wasn't fair?

No!

I took the fight to them and killed just as much as they were killing me! No I do not just keep killing a person over and over again. I will not stalk another player. But, if someone did that to me then so be it. I would deal with it by playing the game in the world it was designed to be of during that time period. These people are not douches or griefers. If you feel like you can't handle it, then that player is the one needs a different less harsh area to play in.

That's logical right? It's like playing in mmo's.

Some have no pvp at all and some people like that because they aren't any good at pvp, maybe their pc's can't handle it or personal reasons.

Then some have pvp area's and some like that because they have a set pve area and if they want to pvp they can go to the other set area.

Finally we have some that are flat out crazy where people love that there is no place to hide and that you can do pve but risk facing pvp at any given time.

Free roam is that last. You can do anything you like but will possibly face other players at any time. Not your thing? Why not make friends or get friends to posse up? Why not make a private game? Why not stick in the single player game? Saying those things are not offensive. Saying people should follow made up rules in a free for all world is offensive.

 

[Billion Backs]

I love how some of you seem to think it's our fault other people are dicks.

Free-for-all online multiplayer worlds are dog-eat-dog communities.

If you aren't strong or smart enough to find friends and kill before others kill you, too bad. Guess you didn't make the call, didn't adapt, and deserve to die.

What they do, however disagreeable you might find it, is within the rules of the game. They aren't breaking any rules, and they continue to apparently stomp you no matter how dishonorable you might find their tactics.

And that's what most multiplayer online games should be about.

Who said I'm incapable of fighting back or being just as cockended as they are? The difference is I choose to behave like a rational human being not a sociopath with a superiority complex who feels the need to waggle their digital dick in your face simply "because they can"

Then you have only yourself to blame for your choices. Question yourself... Is it truly such a good idea to be a self-proclaimed sane man when surrounded by multiple equivalents of the Joker?

The only way civilization won over barbarians is by being stronger and more organized. Don't expect things to be given to you on a platter.

In short, work it out for yourself. I must still clap to the makers of the game who didn't insert some kind of lame-ass controls for free-for-all behaviour in multiplayer. Cause that would be just horrible, I hate restrictive multiplayer.

 

[lightingbird]

Hey, asshole. It's called FREE ROAM, not PvP. It would be different if there were like 2 types of Multiplayer servers, with one being Free Roam where the only violence between players was in duels, and a PvP server where people could go around shooting each other in the face. But there isn't. Why? I dunno. But guess what? Being a dick to people isn't funny. Nor is it nice.

I guess you think this was supposed to offend me or set me off. Hmm. I'm not being a dick. Its not my fault if my words fall upon sensitive eyes. Also pvp is the setting for Free roam. You do realize that right?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Because its a free roaming multiplayer. Not a death match. If you wanna go shoot at one another, then go do it over with someone else. It's really annoying when I try to play the game and complete challanges and some asshole refuses to let me.

It's not a matter if it's fair or not, it's a matter that it is really annoying for those who wish to explore the world they were given. A few days ago I saw a thread about a guy who just played the free roam for the first time. He looked around at where he was, and was sniped out by a guy with the sniper rifle. He just wanted to look around and see some of the diffrent things in the multiplayer and the guys who were PVP happy wouldn't let him do just that.

 

[lightingbird]

RDR? Like Red Dead Redemption or something? ...You should really remeber to clarify these things. Not everyone plays the same games that you do.

People who complain about getting attacked while doing non-violent activities are by no means wimps. They are simply trying to do a different activity, while other people are doing everything in their power to stop them. It's not that they're afraid of fighting, it's that other people are specifically trying to stop them from playing how they want.

Would you like it if you were playing on your X-box, and your mom comes by and pulls out the plug? You're trying to do things your way, but your mom decides that things should be done differently, and does everything in her power to stop you.

I'm a bit to old for my mom to be in my house. Also, I was calling people wimps only because were not able to handle being attacked in free roam and expecting it to be changed. Some sort of big brother action to make it stop. Rather than remembering this game is about the wild west and fight back. Not hard to get why I said it. Either way, I get people have had lives different growing up regions of the world and some are more sensitive and others more rugged in regards to life. So for that I apologize.

Either way as I keep saying, I welcome getting jumped. I enjoy the fight regardless of what they interrupt me doing.

 

[Baby Tea]

Nothing sucks objectively. It's all about comparison. And yes, compared to the other option, controllers -do- "suck".

So you say nothing sucks objectively, and then you say the objective statement that 'compared to mice, controllers do suck'.
Seems rather contradictory.

"I've seen some incredible shots..." and so on is not evidence to anything. First of all, it comes from your own subjective point of view with nothing close to objective proof like screenshots, videos, and so on. They can be faked, sure, but it's still more believable then words'o'mouth, on the internet no less.

The general opinion is that controllers are, in fact, inferior when it comes to precision aiming. Ask any person who has a console and a PC and isn't completely biased in favor of the former. Consoles might have some perks, but precision aiming using controllers is not one of them, not to the same level as a mouse, at least.

So you say that word of mouth shouldn't be trusted, and then tell me to go ask people about their preference?
So which should I do? Not trust word of mouth, or go ask for it?
And once again: Objective statements! It's a flip-flop-a-thon over here.

I can't imagine how it was a good idea to include it even on "easy mode", considering the effects such features have on FPS gameplay of any kind. They didn't have to make it work online, for one thing. They could use other measures to reduce the difficulty of the game if that was needed.

First of all, the aim-assist is the easy mode. It's not included with easy mode, easy mode is the aim assist. And it makes sense, since the game is much easier with that aim assist on. Could they reduce the difficulty of the game in other ways? Sure, but they didn't. That's the design choice. And considering how much Rockstar is raking in with this awesome game, and how much they have raked in with previous titles, and how critically acclaimed their games are, I think it's safe to say that these guys know how to design games.

Aimbot is the evil, and games reducing themselves to use of aimbot as a regular feature don't deserve much respect or admiration for that. Nay, they should be mocked with scorn. And questioned, too. Why, if the controllers are so great, is aimbot needed in the first place?

The aim-assist is there for easy mode. That's why it's there. It wasn't needed, it was a design choice in light of not having a difficulty setting, and, as previously stated, Rockstar knows how to design.

And not everyone is trying to be MLG, you know? Some people want to enjoy the game on their terms. Not every console gamer is a surgeon with a controller, just like not every PC gamer is a surgeon with a mouse. Some people want to play the game just to have fun, not be frustrated trying to aim their rifle on the back of a galloping horse over rough terrain. The aim assist helps them do that.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

RDR? Like Red Dead Redemption or something? ...You should really remeber to clarify these things. Not everyone plays the same games that you do.

People who complain about getting attacked while doing non-violent activities are by no means wimps. They are simply trying to do a different activity, while other people are doing everything in their power to stop them. It's not that they're afraid of fighting, it's that other people are specifically trying to stop them from playing how they want.

Would you like it if you were playing on your X-box, and your mom comes by and pulls out the plug? You're trying to do things your way, but your mom decides that things should be done differently, and does everything in her power to stop you.

I'm a bit to old for my mom to be in my house. Also, I was calling people wimps only because were not able to handle being attacked in free roam and expecting it to be changed. Some sort of big brother action to make it stop. Rather than remembering this game is about the wild west and fight back. Not hard to get why I said it. Either way, I get people have had lives different growing up regions of the world and some are more sensitive and others more rugged in regards to life. So for that I apologize.

Either way as I keep saying, I welcome getting jumped. I enjoy the fight regardless of what they interrupt me doing.

That's fine, but most people play the Free-roam because of the stuff Rockstar claimed you'd be able to do in it. Basically, they promised a game type where you work cooperativly with other players to complete challenges or explore the land.

I don't know about you, but getting attacked by your own teamates doesn't sound to cooperative to me.