Poll: Why is "No Russian" so bad?

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From an outside standpoint, it could be seen to condone such terrorist acts. Plus we all have an overreactive media *cough*foxnews*cough*
 

SilentVirus

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Oh No reason at all. You only walk into an airport and commit acts of terrorism in a video game 8 years after the thing that triggered airport madness. But I think its not bad but people should learn to chill and take games in moderation.
 

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THIS IS AN ORIGINAL THREAD, AMIRITE?

Anyway... no... no, I'm not done.

Use the motherfucking search bar.

Anyway, it's about emotional ties, those people represent you, your families. Are you saying you were never touched by a movie? After all, those are just pixels too.
 

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coxafloppin said:
Sasquatch99 said:
coxafloppin said:
Axolotl said:
coxafloppin said:
Im not too sure about the mission itsself.

Is it because its a non american, killing americans?

Inform me if im wrong.
It's an American killing Russians. You were very wrong.
Then why the fuss?
Because the papers, media and parents believe it will make you evil, a bad person and somehow make you become a terrorist mastermind and be able to smuggle guns into an airport.
In my opinion, anyway.

OT: It's seen as bad for the reasons I pointed out above. The media and parents focused on this and that was all they probably played of the game, if they actually played it.
But that mission does have a relevance to the story in my eyes
as it sets up the invasion of America by the Russians.
yea, i could see how playing this mission could indeed make you into a terrorist, in the same sense that playing fifa makes you a world class footballer.
And playing Forza or Gran Turismo makes you a world class racing driver.
It's just been blown out of proportion. I even watched one of those early morning chat shows we have in England and they spent 30 minute of a 45 minute show discussing that scene. It's just over-reactions from everyone.
 

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It isn't just 'mowing down innocent pixels' though, is it? It's a realistic and fully interactive representation of terrorism, and meaningless slaughter of the worst degree. Not that I'm actually bothered by it, but there's much more pragmatics to this than just 'you're mowing down pixels, who gives a shit lolol'.
 

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HUBILUB said:
BlindChance said:
It's ridiculously gratuitous and has little importance to the plot, in the end. It's clear that Infinity Ward shoved it in there purely to generate controversy and publicity. That's why it's so offensive. It's all about context.
Well, this.

I don't really see the importance of it. Sure, it could have been there to raise chock-value and show how evil the terrorists are. But they didn't handle it like it was that. They handled it like it was simply controversial stuff for the sake of being controversial and then forgot about it.
Uh, the importance of it? I can see what you mean, if you take away the fact that: It was probably the biggest plot point of the story, that it was the only reason there was a war, that it was the only reason the Russians started a war with America, and that it was showing how far Shephard was willing to go.
 

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If they wanted you to get emotionally involved in the scenario and not just use it as a shock tactic to generate headlines they would have been better off with you interacting in the environment in some way before forcing your hand. I felt it was just a lot smoke and mirrors. GTAIV, with it's graphic depictions of sexual favours from prostitutes and the subsequent slaughter was far more uncomfortable to me because of that personal involvement between the characters.
 

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Mrkittycat said:
I was surfing the web and I found a lot of hate of the level "No Russian" in MW2. Why is it such a big deal? All your doing is mowing down innocent pixels. That's all you do in GTA, so why is it so bad in Call of Duty? Is it because this series has never done anything like this before? Discuss
It's ironic that gamers wish for games to be art, and touch our emotions and feelings and be really deep and shit, but then, when something controversial is put into the game, everybndy who makes some kind of deal of it "overreacts" because it is "just a bunch of pixels".

I mean, really?
 

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Fraught said:
Mrkittycat said:
I was surfing the web and I found a lot of hate of the level "No Russian" in MW2. Why is it such a big deal? All your doing is mowing down innocent pixels. That's all you do in GTA, so why is it so bad in Call of Duty? Is it because this series has never done anything like this before? Discuss
It's ironic that gamers wish for games to be art, and touch our emotions and feelings and be really deep and shit, but then, when something controversial is put into the game, everybndy who makes some kind of deal of it "overreacts" because it is "just a bunch of pixels".

I mean, really?
But it doesn't connect emotionally or purport to be "really deep and shit", does it?
You have no connection with anyone but your avatar. It's a shocking level but I think it will be seen as an embarrassment come Heavy Rain. A desperate attempt at maturity for a game played by teenagers who will probably enjoy the massacre for all the wrong reasons.
 

FROGGEman2

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coxafloppin said:
Axolotl said:
coxafloppin said:
Im not too sure about the mission itsself.

Is it because its a non american, killing americans?

Inform me if im wrong.
It's an American killing Russians. You were very wrong.
Then why the fuss?
Hahaha... wait, you're serious?

Are you serious?

The_Deleted said:
Fraught said:
Mrkittycat said:
I was surfing the web and I found a lot of hate of the level "No Russian" in MW2. Why is it such a big deal? All your doing is mowing down innocent pixels. That's all you do in GTA, so why is it so bad in Call of Duty? Is it because this series has never done anything like this before? Discuss
It's ironic that gamers wish for games to be art, and touch our emotions and feelings and be really deep and shit, but then, when something controversial is put into the game, everybndy who makes some kind of deal of it "overreacts" because it is "just a bunch of pixels".

I mean, really?
But it doesn't connect emotionally or purport to be "really deep and shit", does it?
You have no connection with anyone but your avatar. It's a shocking level but I think it will be seen as an embarrassment come Heavy Rain. A desperate attempt at maturity for a game played by teenagers who will probably enjoy the massacre for all the wrong reasons.
But it does touch on some unattractive, yet oddly popular, themes.

Like terror. Didn't you feel a little sick, mowing down all those people, those families? Admittedly, the story is so stupid and characters so superficial it's hard to take it seriously, but still.
 

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i must say.. its my favourite mission in the game... it makes me feel powerful

-and yes i think people over-react and to be honest... the game asks you if you would like to view potentially disturbing content anyway.
 

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I get where people are coming from but their logic is all wrong. While I understand that yes you're basically told to mow down an airport full of (virtual) civvies and yes it could be seen as promoting terrorism and yes kids are stupidly buying the game even though they're too fucking young, but all the arguements are taken out of context. It's like saying that Fallout 3 promotes nuclear warfare because there's an undenotated bomb that you are asked to blow up.
 

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lots of people are media inticed little kittens that will listen to anything the news says because they dont bother to gain the knowledge of what there children do in their spare time.

so yes when the news says its bad to some parents its defcon 2 for them.
 

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Mrkittycat said:
I was surfing the web and I found a lot of hate of the level "No Russian" in MW2.
Because it's scripted by some retarded monkies and the entire thing glitches out if you stand still for too long or walk too fast.
 

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For me...
It was the glaringly huge plot hole!

It is just a game, people should know the differences between 'fantasy' and real life enough not to get worked over a bloody game. If we are going to get worked up over violence in the media then we need to get rid of everything that might be considered 'fantasy,' from violent games right through to classical literature. Hell maybe even remove the 'creative' part of each others brains cause hell, we can all imagine something worse then mowing down massive amounts of innocent people.

Gasp! Can't have that violent fantasy now can we? /sarcasm

As for plot: You need the suspension of reality to believe that a single terrorist attack could be pinned to the USA government. Let alone lead to a war that would, in reality, end with most of the world looking as if it was out of fallout 3. Not to mention all the other plot holes, so many I wonder why the training mission didn't have one!

So if we have to suspend reality just to accept the plot then why the hell should we get worked up over simulated, aka fantasy, mass murder?
 
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i think there are many factors to this:
1) if this was done in a movie (although it would be seen as tasteless) i doubt it'd have gotten this reaction.
2)terrorism, although has been happening for many many years, only recently has it affected the west so much.
3)some people just like to be offended.

personally, ive done far worse things in games, this wouldnt effect me whilst playing, the only reason i'm offended is the intent behind it, ie using shock and terrorism to sell games
 

Lemon Of Life

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The controversy only exists because the media are short on stories. So they stir up a storm, and increase ratings.
 

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It's a very powerful piece of gaming, in the designer's mind meant to be very controversial as part of their marketing, but I think they underestimated the jadedness and desensitization of most gamers.
 

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Maybe it's the idea that you're killing unarmed civilians in cold blood. Actually, I felt worse in the Gears of War 2 deleted scene where you walked through a torture barge and there was a stranded being tortured by the locusts and you couldn't do anything about it or you would blow your cover so you had to stand there and watch this guy be tortured.