Poll: Why shouldn't I convert to Islam?

[tsb247]

I was very anti-religion for a time - and I can be, when I'm debating against someone who's using their religion as a reason to get other people to submit to their will, their belief of how things should be done, without any logic or reason

You aren't alone in this. I am a fairly religious person, and I can't stand the, "Convert or die," nonsense I hear all the time (be it on these message boards or in the real world). Besides, if you look at what the concept of religion is supposed to stand for, does it not go against the idea that people should not be forced into believing something? More meaning is gained from a thought/belief when one truly believes in it of their own free will right? It's those, "Fire and brimstone," kind of zealots that turn many people off to religion (Chrisitanity in particular).

And I apologize if I generalized when referring to athiests. All the ones I know personally went down the route I described in my previous post. Everyone is different, and each person will have their own reason for choosing what they choose.

 

[Fruitloops89]

To each is own, if you wanna convert to Islam then do it.

 

[tsb247]

Surely asking a western gaming forum whether you should change your religion isn't going to give you the answers you need...

That's more like it. Like someone mention before, this thread is more like a racist magnet than anything else.

I would say it's more of a magnet for religion bashing than racism. I see more, "Stupid (insert religion here)," comments on these forums than anywhere else.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

Because Religion Fails. Religion has never done anything good for anyone! It just fails, stay away from it and you'll be much happier... And remember these words. Atheist4Life

 

[SnowCold]

Not really, The jews were originally arabs, but when the romans sent us too europe, there have must been a great deal of cross marriage for making jew so simillar to the europeans.

You're talking about the Ashkenazi jews. There are a few other branches as well, some moved to Spain, some stayed in the area. The Ashkenazi jews are what most people think of when they think of jewish people.

I'm Ashkenazi.

How'd we get on this topic?

Me too, I think they are the majoraty

 

[yosophat]

operates more as a communist country rather than a religion.

Please shut up before you make yourself look more ignorant.

I like how you only quoted one eight of what I said to prove a point, but you're going to have to wait until 2012 to work for the Republican "take words and phrases out context" political machine.
In all seriousness how can you call me ignorant when there is a chance that YOU yourself are oblivious to how Islamic governments run their own countries. Someone made this topic to get some input. Threads are supposed to be informational and you come in here and call ME ignorant. Maybe you are afraid to be called ignorant that's why you don't have an opinion. Well its too late because I just called out you Bullshit.

 

[Aries_Split]

operates more as a communist country rather than a religion.

Please shut up before you make yourself look more ignorant.

I like how you only quoted one eight of what I said to prove a point, but you're going to have to wait until 2012 to work for the Republican "take words and phrases out context" political machine.
In all seriousness how can you call me ignorant when there is a chance that YOU yourself are oblivious to how Islamic governments run their own countries. Someone made this topic to get some input. Threads are supposed to be informational and you come in here and call ME ignorant. Maybe you are afraid to be called ignorant that's why you don't have an opinion. Well its too late because I just called out you Bullshit.

1/8th?! Ooh you can use fractions. That means your in the sixth grade? I quoted a section of your post in order to save space and highlight the part I was referring too. You not only insulted an entire religious community, but also demonstrated you have little to no knowledge of what Communism is outside of what Fox News feeds you.

And now you have again, shown ignorance and insecurity in what you're saying.

 

[Aardvark Soup]

If you've actually studied Islam (and have potentially studied and compared other religions) and believe that it is true and what you personally agree with, there should be nothing stopping you from converting.

Yeah, it's that simple. The only reason you shouldn't convert to Islam is if the views of that religion don't match your own views or you wouldn't want to do what the religion requires of you (praying five times a day, donating a certain percentage of your income to charity etc.). Otherwise, go ahead.

 

[lenin_117]

1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.

Wow you obviously don't know crap about islam.

Wow, why don't you just convert to Islam and beat some "kikes" and "fags" to death yourself! People as naive as you shouldn't have the right to talk at all! They are simply, a subhuman species that have no will to control their stupidity impulses, like insects... Maybe when you see some of YOUR friends die!... of course I don't expect you to understand that, since you love insects as much as you love Human beings!

So I take it you have spent long years studying this "subhuman species that have no will to control their stupidity impulses, like insects...you don't deal with them, you just stomp them to death!" You my friend, have a problem, seek medical attention. What you have said is not what rational, clear minded people say. This sort of thing is not what I'm looking for. What I'm after is an explanation for why my friends want me to not convert. Why?

1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.

Wow you obviously don't know crap about islam.

Wow, why don't you just convert to Islam and beat some "kikes" and "fags" to death yourself! People as naive as you shouldn't have the right to talk at all! They are simply, a subhuman species that have no will to control their stupidity impulses, like insects... Maybe when you see some of YOUR friends die!... of course I don't expect you to understand that, since you love insects as much as you love Human beings!

So I take it you have spent long years studying this "subhuman species that have no will to control their stupidity impulses, like insects...you don't deal with them, you just stomp them to death!" You my friend, have a problem, seek medical attention. What you have said is not what rational, clear minded people say. This sort of thing is not what I'm looking for. What I'm after is an explanation for why my friends want me to not convert. Why?

You apparently have never spent a single day of you're life in the service, so you don't know the real meaning of suffering and drinking every day to forget that suffering, you... like every other pussy sheltered American, don't want to accept the truth!!. If they had their way, you and me would both be hanging from the same rope, yet all you care about is a stubborn political opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go ahead and take the same extreme you accuse me of taking!

First off the bat, not American. Secondly, being in the army (if you were) does not automatically give you any knowledge about any culture. All you post are baseless accusations stating that muslims should all be killed. Please don't post the same old shit here again. If you need to vent, make your own thread but don't crowd mine. If you provide some evidence of muslims being "subhuman" and worthy of extermination, then you can post here once more. Until then, go away.

 

[Dudemeister]

Because converting to a religion is false, you can't honestly just start believing something.

Why not ?

This is just replying to everyone who just quoted me.

If you are born into a religion, the physical and spiritual truth of that religion is drilled into your head from an early age, and at such an impressionable time, you believe it, and so you go on believing it.

If you just find a religion, it's a bit like saying, I now pronounce that I believe in an invisible teacup in space. Because there's no real reason to believe this, I think of it as false. There was no background to this post, if the OP had said, I have had a personal experience with Islam, and now I see its spiritual truth, I would almost understand but at the moment it seems unjustified.

I can give other reasons why its stupid to just convert if anyone wants.

Fair enough, I get what you mean now.
Before, I thought you meant it's impossible to ever convert to any other religeon.
I actually agree with you on this.

 

[Mozared]

This thread made me think about a sketch by a Dutch comedian. He says

"Muslims in the middle-east have started a Jihad to convert everyone on the planet to the Islam, and I say let them. If we all become muslim they won't know what to do anymore. And at that point there's REALLY a large group of us. Then again, it'd be more fun if everybody became a muslim and we didn't tell one guy... Imagine the look on the guy's face when everybody's poking eachother saying 'Heh, look at that non-muslim'."

Shamefully it's not as brilliant when written down.

Considering that comedian has never heard of Sunni and Shia, it's not that funny said aloud, either.

Perhaps if you lack a sense of humor, it isn't. Seeing as it does really matter jack-all for the joke.

 

[Trace2010]

There are a lot of converts who go from Protestant to Muslim because of the religious structures from the Five Pillars. And no, not all Muslims agree: Middle Eastern sects in Iraq and Iran are called up in jihad, but oddly Russian, Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipino Muslims have remained pretty laid back.

 

[Trace2010]

This thread made me think about a sketch by a Dutch comedian. He says

"Muslims in the middle-east have started a Jihad to convert everyone on the planet to the Islam, and I say let them. If we all become muslim they won't know what to do anymore. And at that point there's REALLY a large group of us. Then again, it'd be more fun if everybody became a muslim and we didn't tell one guy... Imagine the look on the guy's face when everybody's poking eachother saying 'Heh, look at that non-muslim'."

Shamefully it's not as brilliant when written down.

Considering that comedian has never heard of Sunni and Shia, it's not that funny said aloud, either.

Perhaps if you lack a sense of humor, it isn't. Seeing as it does really matter jack-all for the joke.

I wish you a better delivery medium next time!!

 

[NeutralDrow]

This thread made me think about a sketch by a Dutch comedian. He says

"Muslims in the middle-east have started a Jihad to convert everyone on the planet to the Islam, and I say let them. If we all become muslim they won't know what to do anymore. And at that point there's REALLY a large group of us. Then again, it'd be more fun if everybody became a muslim and we didn't tell one guy... Imagine the look on the guy's face when everybody's poking eachother saying 'Heh, look at that non-muslim'."

Shamefully it's not as brilliant when written down.

Considering that comedian has never heard of Sunni and Shia, it's not that funny said aloud, either.

Perhaps if you lack a sense of humor, it isn't. Seeing as it does really matter jack-all for the joke.

It makes even less sense than a joke about everyone in the world becoming Christian, less because last I checked, the Catholics and Protestants weren't openly at each others' throats. So, no, I can at least recognize it as a joke, it's just an incredibly stupid one.

It was funnier when Prairie Home Companion told the joke about Unitarians.

 

[Mozared]

It makes even less sense than a joke about everyone in the world becoming Christian, less because last I checked, the Catholics and Protestants weren't openly at each others' throats. So, no, I can at least recognize it as a joke, it's just an incredibly stupid one.

It was funnier when Prairie Home Companion told the joke about Unitarians.

All I can say is "Boy, you're boring". Be free to come back to me after you've realized that all jokes are based on misconceptions and misinterpreting, though.

 

[NeutralDrow]

It makes even less sense than a joke about everyone in the world becoming Christian, less because last I checked, the Catholics and Protestants weren't openly at each others' throats. So, no, I can at least recognize it as a joke, it's just an incredibly stupid one.

It was funnier when Prairie Home Companion told the joke about Unitarians.

All I can say is "Boy, you're boring". Be free to come back to me after you've realized that all jokes are based on misconceptions and misinterpreting, though.

Except they're not. Some are based on slapstick.

Feel free to come back to me when you've realized not all jokes are funny.

 

[bue519]

Religion is all fine and good, but for the most part the believers annoy me to an un-godly level.

Extremist islam believers use religion as a reason to justify exterminating jews, and basically bend people to their will.

Extremist Christians won't shut up about jesus, and him dieing on a cross. they also believe in somebody being born and able to walk on water and stuff.

Catholics aren't that bad now-a-days, other then the repenting your sins, which isn't really bad. Catholics were really bad in the past when a majority of people were catholic.

I haven't really seen or heard of anything bad jewish people have done, generally they defend themselves. They would be content to do their own thing not attacking people if they were left alone.

So the Israelis that want to keep rolling tanks into a Palestinian settlements (which really only justifies the extremist violence) is good?

 

[Mozared]

Except they're not. Some are based on slapstick.

Feel free to come back to me when you've realized not all jokes are funny.

Not finding a joke funny is alright with me, but you do realize your argument's still a moot point, right? Your original argument was that the joke wasn't funny because it was based on a misconception to which my reprisal was that all (I'll be fair, that might be argueable, but still, 'most' stands) jokes are based on some form of misconception.

And that aside from the fact that you lack the experience of hearing the joke in it's original form first-hand, and thus cannot give proper judgement on it. I wouldn't mind if you had simply said the joke as typed out there wasn't funny, because that's exactly what I pointed out in the first place.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Except they're not. Some are based on slapstick.

Feel free to come back to me when you've realized not all jokes are funny.

Not finding a joke funny is alright with me, but you do realize your argument's still a moot point, right? Your original argument was that the joke wasn't funny because it was based on a misconception to which my reprisal was that all (I'll be fair, that might be argueable, but still, 'most' stands) jokes are based on some form of misconception.

And that aside from the fact that you lack the experience of hearing the joke in it's original form first-hand, and thus cannot give proper judgement on it. I wouldn't mind if you had simply said the joke as typed out there wasn't funny, because that's exactly what I pointed out in the first place.

I guess I was being kind of oversensitive.

My problem is that the misconception that makes the joke ludicrous (relying on their being one variety "Islam") is not the one the misconception the joke is based on (everyone laughing at one guy who missed a worldwide conversion). The first one ruins the joke for me irrevocably...which I can probably blame on having just finished a semester-long class on Ethnic Conflict.

And yeah, I can imagine how that might make me laugh if I heard it rather than just read it (until I started thinking about it).

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

I get the strangest feeling that the entire purpose of this topic was to spark off a debate about religion, seeing as first off the guy who created this topic's name appears to state he favours atheism, and secondly he doesn't appear to have made any more comments on the subject he started whatsoever. If I'm right, then you guys debating have all been duped into answering a falsified question. If I'm wrong, then that guy doesn't seem to particularly care about the religion he "might" convert to, looking for an answer in the forum of a games website, where most people would rather talk about games.

In the end, I laugh at all, to all's annoyance, and because I'm strange like that.