Hey, what you believe is what you believe, and I've found that with my belief, reasons rarely matter. If you think it's right, then b all means, convert!
I'm not saying we need to keep all our traditions exactly as they've been for centuries. I'm just saying I don't want Judaism to turn into the same as Christianity, where millions of people say they're Christian without it meaning anything to them or knowing what it means.ThrobbingEgo said:All that's ensuring is purity of tradition - and, let me point out that that hasn't worked out very well. If you're all about tradition, the synagogue my family goes to would make your head explode.ElephantGuts said:Yes people are born into it, but they're Jews. They're raised to be good Jews, besides that they have it in their blood.ThrobbingEgo said:Except for the people who just happened to be born into it.ElephantGuts said:That's what makes it so great. No random bum can just wander in off the street into our religion. It takes procedure. I think it shows that we Jews value the quality of our religion rather than the number of people who belong to it.
Also aren't the really orthodox families the ones with, like, fifteen kids? Strikes me as a "don't go to the store, make your own" kind of deal.![]()
And please don't say "You can't guarantee that they'll be raised to be good Jews" because obviously not, that would be impossible. But requiring this procedure for conversion is better than nothing.
Oh, okay. It sounded to me like you were countering my point. Nevermind then, I had a stupid moment.ThrobbingEgo said:You made your point. I was just adding a little humor to it.Naeo said:Uh, isn't that (being your point) what I said? Not sure why you quoted me on that one.
Thirded.Guitarmasterx7 said:^Thisxitel said:If you honestly believe that Islam is the one truth, then you should follow it. If you don't believe it, then you shouldn't. It's as simple as that. Faith cannot be dictated by those around you, it is a matter of belief or disbelief.
That's because there's nothing inherently wrong with it, just the people that use it to justify violence.lenin_117 said:When I ask them to give me three reasons not to, they can't think of anything.
You're talking about the Ashkenazi jews. There are a few other branches as well, some moved to Spain, some stayed in the area. The Ashkenazi jews are what most people think of when they think of jewish people.SnowCold said:Not really, The jews were originally arabs, but when the romans sent us too europe, there have must been a great deal of cross marriage for making jew so simillar to the europeans.
Just because GOD doesn't exist, doesn't mean religions, and all they stand for (give moneys and do as we say, and you'll be fine) don't, to state religion doesn't exist is moronic.gof22 said:I thought atheists did not believe in religions. How can you hate something you do not believe in?Ghostkai said:Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.The infamous SCAMola said:Ladies and gentlemen, let the Islamophobia begin!Ghostkai said:1. God isn't real.
2. Islam oppresses women.
3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.
Many many others, but you asked for 3.
I hate all religions equally.
Our head rabbi was female, there's a bit of non-Kosher food in the potlucks (the party sandwiches), there's no wall dividing the genders - we sit with our families, the bat-mitzvah ceremonies are the same as the bar-mitzvah ceremonies, kippah are optional, etc. The synagogue was nicknamed "the church on the hill" by some of the more "religious" jews. That's reform Judaism for you.ElephantGuts said:And by "my head would explode" do you mean it's very traditional or very non-traditional? I don't know if good or bad things make my head explode.
Ding ding ding ding.Iampringles said:Because Buddhism is cooler.
Well if your even considering not converting you clearly don't believe in Allah, and as such converting I'd pointless. Another good reason Is that god doesn't exist in any of his many supposed forms, in this example that form being Allahlenin_117 said:I'm thinking about following Islam but my friends keep telling me not to. When I ask them to give me three reasons not to, they can't think of anything. So I am essentially looking for three reasons I should not become a Muslim.
Pff that's nothing. If I didn't mention before, I'm reform. That sounds exactly like my temple (even though our Rabbi isn't a girl, but my old temple had a female Rabbi). I'm not bothered by any of it at all.ThrobbingEgo said:Our head rabbi was female, there's a bit of non-Kosher food in the potlucks (the party sandwiches), there's no wall dividing the genders - we sit with our families, the bat-mitzvah ceremonies are the same as the bar-mitzvah ceremonies, kippah are optional, etc. The synagogue was nicknamed "the church on the hill" by some of the more "religious" jews. That's reform Judaism for you.ElephantGuts said:And by "my head would explode" do you mean it's very traditional or very non-traditional? I don't know if good or bad things make my head explode.
A cool thing, though, we shared a parking lot with a mosque. There hasn't been any trouble between the congregations... we were even featured on the local news. Regardless of how I feel about religion, that kind of tolerance is always a step in the right direction.
The second two actually aren't really true, that's just the extreme factions.Ghostkai said:1. God isn't real.
2. Islam oppresses women.
3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.
Many many others, but you asked for 3.
..I honestly can't remember when humanity lost its free will.ShredHead said:..you can't honestly just start believing something.