Poll: Why shouldn't I convert to Islam?

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Ghostkai said:
gof22 said:
Ghostkai said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
Ladies and gentlemen, let the Islamophobia begin!
Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.

I hate all religions equally.
I thought atheists did not believe in religions. How can you hate something you do not believe in?
Just because GOD doesn't exist, doesn't mean religions, and all they stand for (give moneys and do as we say, and you'll be fine) don't, to state religion doesn't exist is moronic.
I know religions exist what I am saying is that atheists do not believe what that religion believes. The absence of GOD has never really been proven or dis-proven.

They are all just opinions.
 

ElephantGuts

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Kukul said:
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Much less likely.
The whole Judaism is based on "us vs them" mentality (like all religions, but way more) and you won't convince me it has nothing to do with ethnicity.
What is your evidence of this? Judaism was created before there was a "them". You can't be insinuating that the religion was created around opposing enemies that did not yet exist?

And who the hell brought up ethnicities? I sure didn't. Anyway, since you apparently wish to discuss it: I may not be able to convince you it has nothing to do with ethnicity (as this conversation doesn't) but I can tell you that it doesn't. Judaism exists across the entire world. Considering how few people belong to it, Judaism is probably the most ethnically diverse religion.

How can Judaism be trying to keep out other ethnicities (if that is indeed what you were accusing it of, I'm not sure what your point was) if there isn't a single majority ethnicity among the religion?
 

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No because
1: It is a religion which demeans and women and forces them into a submissive state
2: It is one of the three most backwards religions in the world (along side Christianity, and Judaism)
3: It demands the absolute abandonment of free will (like all religions)
4: Seems to have more fundamentalist extremists than most other religions

But this being said it is still your decision. Your faith is not for me to decide, and if believing this makes you happy or more fulfilled, do it.
 

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Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
1) True

2) So does parts of the Bible. 1 Corinthians (I think, might be Corinthians) preaches that women must cover their hair, as it is an affront to the lord).

3) Christianity preaches that gays should be killed and the anti-jewish teachings are local teachings not taught by Islam as a whole.
 

PersianLlama

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Ghostkai said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
Ladies and gentlemen, let the Islamophobia begin!
Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.

I hate all religions equally.
Even though I'm atheist. I respect all religions equally.

Anyways, if you're considering not converting because of some friends, you don't seem to really want to convert to it.

What's the point? You'll gain and lose nothing regardless of what religion you are.

By the way, Islam allows women to divorce.

ASDALKJSADLKJASKJLSDL WOMEN'S RIGHTS! ZOMGSIJDSJHADSJDSAJDAS

I don't think I see that in the new or old testaments.

But who cares? They're all the same.
 

Del-Toro

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Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
find us the Qur'an passages to prove it, also, god's existence is a matter of belief, science hasn't disproven god, and god hasn't disproven science, so belief is up to the believer, or non believer, as the case may be. In otherwords, the burden of proof is on the Atheist this time.
 

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1. In the Koran, your mother is more respected than your father.
2. Women are worshipped in the Koran. The female suppression you see on TV is as a result of the particular countries muslims live in. It's ultimately up to the women (and the country they live in I guess) if they want to wear the clothes they wear. From the Koran, women are beautiful and should be treated with respect.
3. All that Jihad stuff is taken out of context. A jihad is a personal thing against evil temptations and such. It's not about blowing up the Western World.
4. If you've actually read the Koran, you might know that Islam doesn't hate Jews. It acknowledges Christianity and Jewdaism as religions of the book, it's the religions that worship gold idols it doesn't like. Heck, even Jesus is acknowledged in Islam as a prophet.

In essence, Islam is a peaceful religion and I have friends that were either born into Islam or converted to Islam. It's a shame it gets resented so much because it's used as a reason to start wars, kind of like the Crusades I guess.
 

Ghostkai

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Del-Toro said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
find us the Qur'an passages to prove it, also, god's existence is a matter of belief, science hasn't disproven god, and god hasn't disproven science, so belief is up to the believer, or non believer, as the case may be. In otherwords, the burden of proof is on the Atheist this time.
Here's a passage justifying killing an infidel, then mutilating his corpse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGAMEL2w2M&feature=related

And the infidel is a small boy.
 

ElephantGuts

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Kukul said:
ElephantGuts said:
Kukul said:
ElephantGuts said:
Much less likely.
The whole Judaism is based on "us vs them" mentality (like all religions, but way more) and you won't convince me it has nothing to do with ethnicity.
What is your evidence of this? Judaism was created before there was a "them".
Ummm... No?

You can't be insinuating that the religion was created around opposing enemies that did not yet exist?
As far as I know the Bible was written over a long period of time and it features many wars between Israelis and other tribes/nationalities.
Apparently there is some confusion; when you said "them" I had assumed you were talking about today's dominant religions. But it's easy to see how there could have been a misunderstanding since what you're saying isn't based in fact or logic anyway.

Really, where do you get this idea of an "us vs them" mentality? I would like to know.


And who the hell brought up ethnicities? I sure didn't. Anyway, since you apparently wish to discuss it: I may not be able to convince you it has nothing to do with ethnicity (as this conversation doesn't) but I can tell you that it doesn't. Judaism exists across the entire world. Considering how few people belong to it, Judaism is probably the most ethnically diverse religion.

How can Judaism be trying to keep out other ethnicities (if that is indeed what you were accusing it of, I'm not sure what your point was) if there isn't a single majority ethnicity among the religion?
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Now you're just manipulating the facts. I know there are some Ethiopian Jews (who are treated like crap in Israel btw), but the word "Jew" describes nationality as well as faith and it's obvious that you have to be born a Jew. How is that not keeping the aliens away?

Ok, let's stop this. We are derailing the thread and I don't want to cross the line.
Really? "Jewish" is a nationality? What country are Jews from?

And is it that obvious that you have to be born a Jew? What gave it away? Was it your desperate need to troll that lets you say whatever bullshit you can think of in order to piss other people off?

Do you really expect people to take you seriously? That doesn't even make sense. Are you denying that it's possible to convert to Judaism? Are you going to deny the Holocaust next?

And I know we shouldn't be derailing the thread but I can't help but feed the trolls, it is somewhat entertaining. And I do believe that you crossed the line when you decided to professionally troll the Escapist.
 

Del-Toro

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Ghostkai said:
Del-Toro said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
find us the Qur'an passages to prove it, also, god's existence is a matter of belief, science hasn't disproven god, and god hasn't disproven science, so belief is up to the believer, or non believer, as the case may be. In otherwords, the burden of proof is on the Atheist this time.
Here's a passage justifying killing an infidel, then mutilating his corpse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGAMEL2w2M&feature=related

And the infidel is a small boy.
If you had produced that when you made your claim then it would have been believable right off the bat. Good on you for actually putting your money where your mouth is.
 

Altorin

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Ghostkai said:
3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.
I thought, traditionally, Jewish people were considered by Islam to be "people of the book" and were to be, if not treated in a friendly manner, respected.
not to mention the bible says the same thing about gays and disobedient children.

The trick is to take the good moral lessons out of the books, and use common sense when it comes to the stuff that is clearly not meant for this century.
 

Ghostkai

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Del-Toro said:
Ghostkai said:
Del-Toro said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
find us the Qur'an passages to prove it, also, god's existence is a matter of belief, science hasn't disproven god, and god hasn't disproven science, so belief is up to the believer, or non believer, as the case may be. In otherwords, the burden of proof is on the Atheist this time.
Here's a passage justifying killing an infidel, then mutilating his corpse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGAMEL2w2M&feature=related

And the infidel is a small boy.
If you had produced that when you made your claim then it would have been believable right off the bat. Good on you for actually putting your money where your mouth is.
I'd suggest having a look at alot more of the links from that youtube user. VERY interesting. He's a ex-Muslim who translates some of the "darker" parts of the quaran for the public to see. My personal favourite being that it's ok for a Muslim to rape, steal from, or murder anyone, as long as they aren't Muslim.
 

Grigori361

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Listen dude if nobody can answer your question why shouldn't I, it likely means they haven't the foggiest as to why you shouldn't now religion is NOT my cup of tea by any means, but if it works for you all is well and good so long as I manage to stay free of any lynch mobs for being pagan myself.
 

theshadowed1

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Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
I agree with the first one BUT Christianity also does 2&3
personally I think that people (society) have a bad image of
Muslims as a very small percentage are terroists like osama.
Many group have gone through this tough time i.e irish(IRA)
 

Grigori361

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as an aside I find things like that in just about every religion on the planet and always find it amusing when people say "I'm this" and I say "so you support rape, murder, incest, genocide, etc" and they are like NO, and I pull off the page numbers for suck things, sadly I don't have any good ones on me, but I know almost all of the actual laws that demand stupid things like stoning your wife to death if she cheats on you in the christian section are in the Leviticus section of the old Testament. Feel free to look around.
 

jasoncyrus

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theshadowed1 said:
Ghostkai said:
1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.
I agree with the first one BUT Christianity also does 2&3
personally I think that people (society) have a bad image of
Muslims as a very small percentage are terroists like osama.
Many group have gone through this tough time i.e irish(IRA)
Speaking of Osama, it partly wasn't all his doing that he got to his grand status. Since the CIA actually treated him in hospital and one of their higher ups actually visited him during his hospital stay. I somewhat doubt he would've goteen his global status if the us hadn't supplied him with weapons etc.
 

Altorin

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Elexia said:
2. Women are worshipped in the Koran. The female suppression you see on TV is as a result of the particular countries muslims live in. It's ultimately up to the women (and the country they live in I guess) if they want to wear the clothes they wear. From the Koran, women are beautiful and should be treated with respect.
you make a decent point.

The black garb of the saudi muslim woman isn't meant to denote women as lesser beings. It's actually quite the opposite. It's worn as a sign of respect to remove the sexuality in the appearance of the woman because THE MAN is a lesser being that can't control his primal urges.

Most women who understand why they are worn wear them with pride, and it's not illegal to wear other clothes, or to show your face or hair. Sure, it's frowned on, but again, not because the women are temptresses or are doing something wrong - men are just horny pigs when given the opportunity.

Sure, there are crazies.. but don't judge the black robe until you understand why they wear it, and try to remove your cultural bias, at least long enough to understand.