deadish said:
Lieju said:
deadish said:
Having a temporary chance to be in a woman's body is just to satisfy my curiosity. That all there is to it. LOL. While I know everyone is different, just like every cheeseburger you eat is slightly different, it doesn't mean I can't get a "typical experience" and see SOME things that SOME women might see and feel.
If it's SOME thing, SOME women feel, how is it 'typical'?
Look, I will be honest, your nitpicking over the notion of "typical" is getting a little tiring.
"Typical" is defined as common experience shared by many but, of course, not all people of a group. That's the definition I'm using. I don't know what you define it as.
For me, 'typical' means 'most'. And my point stands; how would you then, as a woman, know what part of your experience was shared by other women? What you would get to know would be to what extent your sex affects you personally.
deadish said:
deadish said:
Men and women are different. When it come to the topic of equality, they should be treat as equals in areas in which they are equal, and otherwise not. I think this is a pretty simple and IMHO obviously correct course of action to take, I don't really understand what all the great debate on equality is about.
People, men or women, are individuals. Wouldn't treating people as individuals be the best solution? For example, on average men are physically stronger than women. But, not all men are equally physically strong, and some women will be stronger than some men.
Now, if we look at a job, for example, that requires a lot of physical strength, we shouldn't go 'we need a man for this job', but rather 'we need a physically strong person for this job'.
Oh, no problem with that. I don't see why anyone would use gender as a criteria, when selecting based on a measurable attribute is much more accurate.
That said, when designing a mass market product, some generalisations have to be made because there is no way to design for each individual. This also applies to policy making and such. In certain circumstances, it's a necessary evil.
Exactly. But it becomes a problem if those generalisations are based on BS assumptions or things that are merely cultural. Then they will tend to feed those misconceptions.
For example, let's look at a society where women aren't allowed to pursue education. Women will then of course be more ignorant, don't have experience on certain kinds of jobs etc. Now if a legistlator, for example looks at this society and concludes that women are inherently dumb, and laws are formed based on that, it's obviously a problem. And it's an assumption that will feed itself. After all, why waste resources on educating girls if that will just be a wasted effort? And if some women do manage to get the education, they will have much harder times finding a job than men that are equally qualified, feeding the assumption that educating women is not worth it.
And this same goes for any assumptions you make based on gender, smaller or bigger.
deadish said:
Define "get along". The impression I got was, to be "treat as one of the guys", which I have to say is going to be very difficult.
If it's just to be treated "nice" - a vague concept I might add. Good luck with that.
What I want is equal treatment. An environment where people won't go "Oh no, you have boobs, (such as they are)! I better not treat you like you're a human being!"
Where do you live? I ask because I am curious. In some country where the culture is very segregated based on sex? Since you can't seem to grasp that men and women can treat each other like human beings, and in general seem to think females are some weird species that you could only symphatise with if you possess the same genitalia.
deadish said:
Firstly, the main perpetrators of shitty behaviour in games are 13 year old brats (and over grown mentally 13 year old douchebags). We can chit-chat on the web as much as we want, but there really isn't much anyone can do about their behaviour. We can only hope they will grow out of it some day. Look at Xbox Live and the racist, bigoted language that gets fling around there - Microsoft 0 Stupidity of Youth 1.
Secondly, it's a matter of culture. Gaming culture developed "in isolation" without much female participation. The result is behaviour and culture norms that can come across offensive to women - there was no one to object when it "started out".
So? Then it should change.
It's not like the gaming culture isn't constantly changing anyway. Those 13-year olds didn't start it. The first gamers were not even that representable of men in general, they were computer-programmers and such writing games as a hobby on university computers. And then gaming became popular with kids and then main stream and that isolation was broken, and the culture changed.
And that's a rather defeatist attitude you have. "Oh well, no use trying to change things!". Even what you're just now doing, condemning the behaviour of those 13-year olds, is a step to the better. Changing the popular opinion, informing people, etc can at least change something. For example, imagine one of those 13-year olds stumbling on a forum like this, and realising not everyone interacts in the net the way he's used to. And maybe he will change his behaviour. Maybe he will grow up.
deadish said:
IMHO, this whole stupid thing is overblown. It's not like you are getting denied the seats on public transport. If you don't like the shitty behaviour of a certain game's community, then either don't take part in that said community (you can form your own community with like minded individuals) or just don't play the game. It's not a big deal. Video games are a luxury, not something you that impacts you that you can't avoid.
Everyone is getting played by the gaming press, hungry for ad impressions. They blew this whole shit up into something akin to the civil rights movement. It isn't.
I'd like to remind you that you're currently on a GAMING- forum. So it should come as a no surprise that issues related to gaming are over-represented here.
Why are you here, on this forum? When there are much more important things you could be doing?
Why don't you go and form a group with people who agree with you on everything and leave me alone?
Women aren't even a minority, they are about 50% of the population.
I have some actual real problems that I have to deal with every day.
It doesn't mean I should just let things slide if it's not something as dire as physical abuse or not letting me use public transport(and based on your thinking, that shouldn't be a problem either, just create your own bus-company that caters to just women, or don't use public transport). After all, not all subjects talked about on this forum are matters of life and death.
And I like playing video-games, I love playing video-games, and would like them to mature as a medium.
I will complain if I don't think there's enough female protagonists, just like I will complain there's not enough horror games, or if I think the game mechanics on some game suck.
Instead of just playing some other games than horror, or that have better mechanics, and being quiet about things I perceive as a problem.