Poll: Would you harbor a nazi?

[Hawkeye16]

I wouldn't hide him from the police, but I would definitely do everything I can to make sure he is treated fairly.

 

[Asher1991]

Isn't this essentially the plot to APT Pupil?

To those saying they would harbor him, allow me to provide a counterpoint: if a man who murdered your neighbor, lived in his house and assumed his identity, but using that identity was extremely philanthropic and nice, and then one day came to you confessing, saying that the police were after him and he was really very sorry, would you?

There's not really a statute of limitations on murder is all I'm saying.

 

[David Demers]

Of course I would.
Everyone has a right to think as they please.

 

[Psycho78]

I might feel for the guy or believe him, but I'm not risking my own freedom for the sake of his reformed self.

 

[Sgt. Dante]

They couldn't do anything about it. They were fools, and have changed. One exception. If the words or phrase "I was just following orders." come out of their mouth, I'm turning them in. To quote The 9th Doctor: "And with that sentence, you just lost the right to even talk to me."

Basically this, I think that rehabilitation is better than punishment and if he was genuinely sorry fr the things he had done then I wouldn't have any trouble keeping him.

captia: Flying wibly

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

 

[Asher1991]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

 

[BioHazardMan]

It's a very difficult question, I'm teetering on letting him stay with me, don't think it'd be fair.

 

[Haydyn]

Trick question. If he felt terrible about what he did, why would he still be a Nazi? To be an anylitical douchebag and rephrase your question to "Would you harbor an ex-nazi?", then yes.

I grew up with my dad being my only influence in politics and ethics. Very conservative, but also very racist. Growing up the few African American people I did know were assholes, and combined with the fact that I was a social retard, I was what I consider a racist as a child.

Since then, I now don't see my dad too often, also knowing that he is a bigot, and seek political opinion from all I can. I am friends with many people who are not white, and when I am racist, it's towards white people. So I honestly believe any racist person can have a change of heart. I would harbor the ex-nazi. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing to have.

 

[Vitor Goncalves]

For a start I think all crimes that involve violence are against humanity.

Therefore, a violent crime is a violent crime. Its not for me to decide if he deserves pardon or not. Its for the justice system and those who suffer at his hands.

And in what comes to violent, cruel crimes, I am very sceptical about forgiving without some level of retribution. The victims cant recover their loss or even be returned to life.

So, no, I wouldn't hide him and would refer him to the authorities on first opportunity.

This discussion reminds me the ongoing discussions of respecting human rights for enprisoned criminals. To me if you desrespected the rights of others in such a great extent, you are to loose some rights yourself too.

 

[Asher1991]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

 

[Vykrel]

i dont think i would risk myself for them... if its like a reverse Jew-hunt, and the Nazis become the ones that have to hide, then i would turn him in.

especially if he had committed some truly heinous acts during his past... if someone has turned their life around entirely, im willing to let them live their lives, but im not gonna stick up for em

 

[dyre]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

 

[Player 2]

The majority of the escapist would harbour a Nazi. I'm disgusted with all of you.

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

 

[d4rkxy13x]

I think, that even if he was a nazi, if he's genuinely sorry for his past crimes, then there's no point putting him in prison, so yes, I'd hide him. The point of prison, unless I'm wrong, is for the inmates to realise what they did was wrong and that it shouldn't be done again, and so, If he's already truly sorry, the point of prison becomes obsolete.

Side note : Concentration camps ? Second world war ? Isn't that too long ago to judge someone ?

EDIT: To add some thought to the thread (sorry if repost), How would you define a Nazi ? Is an antisemite who killed jews a nazi, or is it a person who shares the beliefs of Hitler ? Can the title of nazi be removed by time or by acts of good will ?
I believe that as long as the person has no longer those beliefs, he's no longer a nazi.

 

[GiglameshSoulEater]

Turn him in. To be fair, there's been much worse genocides in history and the current day than the Holocaust.
The old man shouldn't go free. But neither does anyone have the right to take the law in their own hands in such a manner.