Poll: would you kill baby hitler?
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A lot of people aren't going to like this I wouldn't not for any moral reasons but for the lessons that WWII taught us that no one should be followed without question and that you can't just stand by saying not my problem as much of the worl did until kater in the war, these lessons needed to be learned deep in our bones so that the same thing could never happen again, and then theres all of the amazing technical advancements that were made during the war. WWII was hell for those involved but ultimately I think the world became better for it.
If you went back in time to kill Hitler, he wouldn't be here today, giving you no incentive to go back in time and kill him.
Therefore, either time travel is impossible, or his death is impossible.
It could be that going back in time will transport you to a different plane of existence in which you do kill Hitler. That would be pretty cool.
In any case, the concept of fucking with time scares me, so I'd probably just take him to art school.
Therefore, either time travel is impossible, or his death is impossible.
It could be that going back in time will transport you to a different plane of existence in which you do kill Hitler. That would be pretty cool.
In any case, the concept of fucking with time scares me, so I'd probably just take him to art school.
No, too many negative backlashes for America(where I live). Unfortunately, WWII was REALLY important and helpful to us here in the United States. Sad as it is to say, the millions who died(and yes I realize most were Jews who were unjustly and gruesomely tortured and murdered) probably saved as many, if not more, American lives in the long run and prevented the nation from complete collapse.
Wow, just typing that made me feel bad.
Wow, just typing that made me feel bad.
I think it might be because Hollywood shrouds over that fact because it is, lets face it is OWNED BY JEWS.sexbutler said:
I think that it why no one has ever created A drama about what happened to the Russian upper class after the Bolsheviks took power. (can anyone say purge?)
Considering there's "little consequences?"
That's the why I wouldn't kill Baby Hitler. It wouldn't work, or change anything.
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That's the why I wouldn't kill Baby Hitler. It wouldn't work, or change anything.
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Hmm, if you prevent the assination of Franz Ferdinand- there's no World War One, granted. But- and this is important- the Great Powers of Europe continue as they had before. There's no liberalising of politics in Germany and the UK- and there's no German uprising to oust good old Kaiser Willhelm the batshit-crazy. The Russian Empire- assuming Rasputin continues to see a decline in his influence with the Romanov royal family- might even implement reforms in time to prevent Lenin and Co overthrowing them. Is Europe any better off? Not really- the Austro-Hungarian empire still has a really unstable Balkan front, and the Tripple Alliance still has interest in preventing German/Austrian influence expanding in that direction. If it wasnt going to be Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand assassinating the Arch Duke, it wouldve been something else. But who knows?
*EDIT* Oh right. On topic. Erm, baby Hitler would be one of many targets. Baby Himler. Baby Eichmann. Baby Mengele. The Nazi Party wasnt just one man, it had several charismatic members capable of doing Hitler's job. To take the baby element out of the equation, I'd instead just time travel back to the Munich Putsch trial and slot all the defendants.
*EDIT* Oh right. On topic. Erm, baby Hitler would be one of many targets. Baby Himler. Baby Eichmann. Baby Mengele. The Nazi Party wasnt just one man, it had several charismatic members capable of doing Hitler's job. To take the baby element out of the equation, I'd instead just time travel back to the Munich Putsch trial and slot all the defendants.
While I voted Yes, I would probably just take him far, far away from Germany. Never even let him know he was from there. If impossible, boom.
I don't think so, and I have several reasons why (Arguably there are soooooo many ways Time Travel could go wrong that I wouldn't even attempt it):
1. If time travel is possible and I decide to kill baby Hitler, then doesn't that already mean I've failed or that I eliminated someone else? (The idea is that if it is possible, then I'd have already done so, which also means that time has already been altered and that I may be killing someone completely different or less evil then who I already killed in the previous timelines of my own travel. Basically it'd create a infinite loop of myself going back in time to kill a different dictator every time).
2. By killing Hitler I may actually kill more people. (During WWII the Soviet Union and Germany fought one another, it was also during that time that Russia had already been spreading it's influence and power across Europe. If WWII hadn't occurred, it could be argued that Soviet Russia could have come to power through the conquest of all of Europe a superpower that would start WWII itself against the United States and any opposing European countries).
3. Technology would be GREATLY hindered, thus I might erase my own time traveling out of existence...which would cancel out my own tampering of the timeline and creating another infinite loop of destroying/re-creating the timeline. (WWII is considered a major factor with technological and medical advancements of the last 100 years. Things like rockets, transport, medicine, all those things moved ahead smoothly thanks to the war. Another factor that boosted our advancement was the Cold War, which may have only happened because of WWII ending. So if I kill Hitler and erase all that technology, then wouldn't that erase my own ability to even time travel? Which would at the same time cancel itself out and erase my own killing of Hitler...so that'd be a infinite loop that results in me constantly entering the machine and killing Hitler for eternity.
4. But all paradox and infinite loops aside, I don't think I could morally kill a infant. Cause even if he technically 'Is' going to start the Holocaust and WWII, as a baby he could be considered innocent of all crimes. (Though MAYBE Hitler was killed by a time traveler...he did die near the end of the war...and some people aren't 100% clear on how he died or what happened to the body...)
1. If time travel is possible and I decide to kill baby Hitler, then doesn't that already mean I've failed or that I eliminated someone else? (The idea is that if it is possible, then I'd have already done so, which also means that time has already been altered and that I may be killing someone completely different or less evil then who I already killed in the previous timelines of my own travel. Basically it'd create a infinite loop of myself going back in time to kill a different dictator every time).
2. By killing Hitler I may actually kill more people. (During WWII the Soviet Union and Germany fought one another, it was also during that time that Russia had already been spreading it's influence and power across Europe. If WWII hadn't occurred, it could be argued that Soviet Russia could have come to power through the conquest of all of Europe a superpower that would start WWII itself against the United States and any opposing European countries).
3. Technology would be GREATLY hindered, thus I might erase my own time traveling out of existence...which would cancel out my own tampering of the timeline and creating another infinite loop of destroying/re-creating the timeline. (WWII is considered a major factor with technological and medical advancements of the last 100 years. Things like rockets, transport, medicine, all those things moved ahead smoothly thanks to the war. Another factor that boosted our advancement was the Cold War, which may have only happened because of WWII ending. So if I kill Hitler and erase all that technology, then wouldn't that erase my own ability to even time travel? Which would at the same time cancel itself out and erase my own killing of Hitler...so that'd be a infinite loop that results in me constantly entering the machine and killing Hitler for eternity.
4. But all paradox and infinite loops aside, I don't think I could morally kill a infant. Cause even if he technically 'Is' going to start the Holocaust and WWII, as a baby he could be considered innocent of all crimes. (Though MAYBE Hitler was killed by a time traveler...he did die near the end of the war...and some people aren't 100% clear on how he died or what happened to the body...)
I feel like WWII happened because of so many factors that led up to this point. Like people pointed out in previous posts, there's the power balance issue between Russia and the US, the major technological advancements, the fact that Hitler was not the smartest guy on team nazi...
I think we should go back further in time, with an HUGE number of scientists engineers doctors politicians etc... who will explain to the world that they come from the future, and they want to avoid the wars that are coming but still get that technological push. It could lead to no wars today, less crap all over the place and an even better technological advancement!
Or, you know, the church saying they come from hell -_-
I think we should go back further in time, with an HUGE number of scientists engineers doctors politicians etc... who will explain to the world that they come from the future, and they want to avoid the wars that are coming but still get that technological push. It could lead to no wars today, less crap all over the place and an even better technological advancement!
Or, you know, the church saying they come from hell -_-
everything that happens after ww2 would also be affected by this. The cold war could have turned into a world war and then you could come back from your time machine to find your modern world a nuclear wasteland.
Actually you'd have to stop them arguing over the Balkans. The Germans pre-WWI had such adherence to their Schleiffen Plan that they'd have gone to war for anything. Hence they were the first to attack, not Austria-Hungary or Serbia.TheDarkEricDraven said:
So options end up being:
Topple Ottoman and Austrian Rules, leading to Soviets taking the Balkans.
Unite Balkans as Germany had been united, though they had priorly gone to war against eachother twice, so probably not likely
Kill Wilhelm the Second or whoever was responsible for the Schleiffen Plan, possibly toppling Germany all together, or killing both, so letting Bismark stay in.
The best solution would be stopping Bismark being kicked out by Wilhelm II, the reinsurance treaty with Russia (ensuring that Germany and Russia were "allied", despite Germany's arrangements with Austria-Hungary in the Dual Alliance) may have prevented Russia from seeking alliance with France, destroying the need for the Schleiffen Plan as France would not be involved. You'd have to stop him crushing the Trade Unions so not being forced to resign.
Also, who's to say that the universe isn't rigged anyway, that another Hitler wouldn't have been born or some other war created a Cold War and the death of thousands and millions of disabled, homosexuals, Jews, Christians etc.
The value of the lessons learned from world war 2 far outweigh the lives lost. No I would not kill him. History needs to run its course
But all of that is pointless nitpicking over the feasibility of time travel (in which there is none)
Its a hypothetical question and you should treat it as such and try to answer it and give reasons why you would or wouldn't
You have the right idea but you think about it way too hard. Simply put. The future you would have no concept of Hitler because he would not exist. Hence you would not go back to kill him. So he would exist. Thats' the infinity loop.SteewpidZombie said:
But all of that is pointless nitpicking over the feasibility of time travel (in which there is none)
Its a hypothetical question and you should treat it as such and try to answer it and give reasons why you would or wouldn't
No. A bay is innocent even if he will become Hitler. Not to mention that you could easily fix things by instead kidnapping the baby and bringing him back to the future. People are a product of their times.
what about all the good things Hitler did?
Also, there's the Command and Conquer effect, you have no idea what will happen by changing one event, you could create something much worse, like robot spiders.
Also, there's the Command and Conquer effect, you have no idea what will happen by changing one event, you could create something much worse, like robot spiders.
