Poll: Your political standing?
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If you look at what the government has been doing, actually we've lost all our rights. Anti-terror laws has arrested numerous innocent people and put them in prison without charge. So far no one has suffered terribly but this soon could change. A prime example is the old man who cried out nonsense at The Labour Party Conference, he was arrested under terror laws. Another would be the recent arrest of the Conservative minister George Osbourne who was arrested for doing his job.Mungini said:
There was a documentary on how we have lost our liberties on channel 4 recently I think it was called Taking Liberties which goes through each of our rights on the Magna Carta that have been abolished. For instance our right to protest has been removed, you know need a permit, soon they'll bring in identy cards and our passports now have chips in them that can be traced.
God I feel like a conspiracy nutjob
"Liberalism", which in today's terms just means capitalism augmented with socialism-lite.
As for the latter part of the paragraph: if we're going to favour your assertion that security has to be self-provided on an equal basis, than we would simply have to dismiss any circumstance of yours because you live in a society that has used wealth as a means to pad its citizens immensely via economic capitalism. Social support, in a broad sense, doesn't just entail govenment-instituted programs: governments infuse wealth into their respective nations, thusly providing their citizens with indirect assistance that isn't available to others. So your fuckups have, to a large extent, already been covered - which just attests to the falseness of objectivism; that it promotes "economic freedom" in the vein of the dated capitalistic premise of equal opportunity when unadulterated economics have always had the effect of indirectly padding certain groups of people over others - and not just the smart ones.
What are 'rights' and what are 'privileges' is defined by society and prevailing value systems, and because of this, it is expectable that a poor person in Canada will believe they deserve healthcare because the government has inferred it is integral, or that one in the United States may share a similiar belief because they believe principally that it is a 'right.' It's analagous to voting, which is free influence insofar as you don't have to necessarily be the government's patron to do it: in some societies it is a 'right', in others political influence is contingent upon monetary or ideological support, but I wouldn't call democratic advocates 'lazy bums' for advocating the former notion in fascistic countries.
There you go again, making loopy assertions about history: the average workday has varied throughout history, and so it depends what "ancestors" you're referring to. Certainly our ancestors prior to the dawn of civilization are estimated to have worked three hours a day, and the average American in the 1960s worked less.
As for the latter part of the paragraph: if we're going to favour your assertion that security has to be self-provided on an equal basis, than we would simply have to dismiss any circumstance of yours because you live in a society that has used wealth as a means to pad its citizens immensely via economic capitalism. Social support, in a broad sense, doesn't just entail govenment-instituted programs: governments infuse wealth into their respective nations, thusly providing their citizens with indirect assistance that isn't available to others. So your fuckups have, to a large extent, already been covered - which just attests to the falseness of objectivism; that it promotes "economic freedom" in the vein of the dated capitalistic premise of equal opportunity when unadulterated economics have always had the effect of indirectly padding certain groups of people over others - and not just the smart ones.
The ideal of democratic socialism is just an extension of the concept of voting: the 50% or whatever portion have an interest in politics vote, and the others don't. In large-scale government, the 10% or whatever portion interested in politics become involved in running the affairs of government, and the others don't. In this sense, all leftist, democratic government does is give interventionist authority to those who possess interest and expertise in the field - which isn't dramatically different than the NHL having an overruling authority comprised of business and hockey experts, except that the mandate of government is usually more socioeconomic in nature.
I hate to tell you, but the intellectual bereftness and leftist absorptions of the right are essentially the result of excess non-interventionism being discredited as a philosophy that in effect just promotes unneeded disparity and low living standards. Conversely, most leftist intellectual circles don't advocate communism: it's too devoid of accountability, and has never pioneered an economic approach that can survive the hurdles of global capitalist integration.
It's a shame FPIs are total failures because most privates companies can't put their socioeconomic lenses on long enough to realize that it's not a good idea to put people's lives in danger for profit, or fire professors because they're outing drug companies. Of course, there's Rand again: arguing that the only mandate of an institution is to generate profit, and that ulterior ethical concerns will always be addressed by free enterprise anyway.
libertarian democracy, i think everyone should have the freedom to choose their leader ( well, not everyone gets who they want but most people do) and complete control of their private lifes. And i'm very surprised that so many believe in anarchy, i mean, that would completely crush all humanity's progress, construction would stop, production would stop, everything would stop and we'd have a fallout like world minus the valves and, well, the fallout and mutants, everyone who survives all the crimes, accidents and lack of food would live in villages and we'd be trying to get back to the time when we had governments, healthcare, technology etc etc.
Other because I don't know exactly what I fall into. I mean I believe that the free market system as Smith envisioned it is a failure, and therefore some government control is necessary to "save it from itself" as it were. Not a whole lot, but just enough to make sure monopolies don't fuck it up for everyone and we don't get the situations we keep getting (i.e. crash).
I also believe people are entitled to privacy but at the same time we can't all hide everything. If we did we wouldn't trust anyone. I mean look what the Patriot Act did to the US. We're now ruled by fear. But that's a case of government observation going too damn far in my opinion.
I also believe in leaders elected by the people for the people, and not for special interest groups or corporations
So basically I voted other.
On another note I hope the people voting anarchist are the ones who at least understand what that means (returning to a time of no centralized government) rather than the people who think "lol, smash stuff up"
But I think this is a pretty smart forum so I'm guessing the former.
I also believe people are entitled to privacy but at the same time we can't all hide everything. If we did we wouldn't trust anyone. I mean look what the Patriot Act did to the US. We're now ruled by fear. But that's a case of government observation going too damn far in my opinion.
I also believe in leaders elected by the people for the people, and not for special interest groups or corporations
So basically I voted other.
On another note I hope the people voting anarchist are the ones who at least understand what that means (returning to a time of no centralized government) rather than the people who think "lol, smash stuff up"
But I think this is a pretty smart forum so I'm guessing the former.
Awh come on, I'm sorry but Hevoo is right. There's enough angst there to feul another awful emo band.Hevoo said:
But yeah. Capitolism
I voted conservative, yeah i voted McCain. BUT I wont vote the same party all the time. I'll vote for who i think is the better person. Plus my vote will ALWAYS go to a veteran first.
Yeah, just look at us in Britain!Kukul said:
We're so socialist we're still living in castles!!
But seriously, high taxes are a reason we're dancing out of the global recession with money in our pockets.
The first four options are economic systems not political systems. coutry can be communist and democratic, as well as socialist and democratic.
Libertarian Capitalist. I have a distaste for large government, and I feel that the market, generally, can take care of itself. There should be laws that limit monopolies and misuse/appropriation of customer information.
The less a company knows about me, the better. But that's nearly impossible in this day.
The less a company knows about me, the better. But that's nearly impossible in this day.