Poll: Your political standing?
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What's this 'won't' bit? What if they CANT?JMeganSnow said:
Not everyone is just plain lazy.
Not everyone has a nice desk job with benefits.
Not everyone can afford post-secondary education. (For a better job)
Beg your pardon, again, but this echoes with hollow sincerity. Excuse me if I can't imagine, at this point, you cheerfully helping anyone in need.JMeganSnow said:
If this is how you feel about the sick and ill, I wonder how you feel about the homeless? Or the disabled? Screw them too?JMeganSnow said:
Let's bring up another social service!
If you can't save yourself from a robber, then why should you deserve the police?
If you can't put out your OWN house fire, then why should the fire-department help you?
If you can't pave your own roads or afford a car, why should the ministry of transportation fix the roads and provide public transportation?
I can't believe someone this pretentious actually exists.JMeganSnow said:
Is it lonely up there on that pedestal?
Not everyone who can't afford health care is a lazy bum Look at the current economic crisis! How many thousands of people will lose their jobs and main source of income? What about them? They worked hard for their living, and now it's lost. What now? Screw them too?
Yeah, I sure you're cheerfully give to them. You're a regular humanitarian.
My main problem is people using the word socialism in the wrong way. Saying free health care, and other gov't programs is socialism is laughable. The term socialism is used in the case that the gov't owns the means of production. What most of the people here think "socialism" really is a Mixed Economy. I have linked what that is in a few other post on this thread.Jamash said:
I pay for police, fire department, roads, and transportation voluntarily out of my own pocket. (Or I would, anyway.) I expect everyone else to do the same.Baby Tea said:
Of course, I'm also in favor of the benevolent situation that exists when people who don't have cash to put toward these services get included "free" because other people *do* pay for them voluntarily, but ultimately someone has to pay and that person should be lauded, not condemned.
Ohh, looky, argument from intimidation. I'm so impressed.
Did I say they were? They *are*, if they expect something for nothing. I know many people who have no wealth to speak of that are extremely virtuous and never *demand* anything out of anyone--if they can't pay, they do without.
Working hard is *not sufficient*--our ancestors had to work a lot *harder* than we do and for much less return. What's required is *producing wealth*. The moral stance I require from everyone I deal with is the same one that I espouse: assume that you are the only person that exists and there is NO ONE to cover for YOUR fuckups. It doesn't matter whether the fuckup was intentional or accidental, whether you brought it on yourself or something happened. All that matters is that YOU have to fix it YOURSELF.
If anything, this at least fixes in people's minds just what they're getting when other people DO choose to help them, as happens quite often. If you can't fix your problems yourself, you're living on borrowed time.
And, no, I'm not a "humanitarian"--I don't believe in cannibalism.
Look at the news. Humanity is just perfecting it's own destruction. I don't believe in hope, I believe in what is. Much easier to accept it.Hevoo said:
As for what government I would prefer, a pure anarchic state would be top choice. Each person for him/herself, ruling your own home.
How can you make that demand of others for these and not of health care? Each of those social services are there to help and assist and protect the citizens of a country, and health care is NO different. Just think: Police will protect the scum too, in the right situation! Does that make policing a 'help yourself' type of social service?JMeganSnow said:
So about about THOSE 'virtuous' people? You'd rather see those people 'do without' life? Would you rather thousands die because you want more money for yourself? I don't even know why I asked those questions, since I'm sure I already know the answer.JMeganSnow said:
Don't try guise this selfishness as a 'noble undertaking' to get people to 'pull up their boot straps'. I can't believe how tiring it must be to spend so much time thinking so little of, and looking down on, everyone who doesn't make as much money as you.JMeganSnow said:
Never mind the CEO and executives who make all their money off the backs of the working class. Where would their wealth come from if the workers weren't there? What would they depend on then?
Go out to the industrial part of town and see if your rhetoric flies with the people who do this shit jobs that NEED to be done and get underpaid for their service.
Dude its always been like this, we have always killed each other on mass scale. The only reason you hear about it is the media. Today with commication you hear the news just as it happens 24 hours a day 7 days a week, yeah after a few years of that you may start thinking the world is coming to a end. But If you look throughout history, relatively speaking this is quite a peaceful time.PxDn Ninja said:
Look at the news, people are living longer, better lives than they did just a couple generations ago, we got through the Cold War without turning the planet to a cinder, computer speeds are increasing at ludicrous rates, we just turned on the most sophisticated machine in history, and we've got a well enough developed communications network for you to spread your angst. Shit's lookin' pretty grim.PxDn Ninja said:
I've wondered how democracy is opposed to republic. Ain't the USA both? Personally I'd go for a democratic oligarchy. Though that might cause everything to go TERRIBLY slow because of all the millions of meetings and debates any one decision would require.JMeganSnow said:
On this poll, though, I voted Liberalism.
My country's mixed system is my economic course but i would like a Progressive Conservative republic for a government. I just don't see the point of us bowing to the Queen anymore. She is simply a symbol on how much we were Britain's ***** until recently i say scrap the GG and the LG and stick with elected representitives, the way a democratic country should act.
Haha, my angst? I'm not angsty about my view, I just don't think humanity is moving in the glorious direction everyone thinks. Yeah, we have awesome technology, but with the decline of the global IQ, and the rise of laziness and the whole "it's not my fault" mentality, it's hard to believe in a world where everything is alright. I have been alive long enough to see enough that makes me believe in all this. My goal is to just live a happy life and have fun.John Galt said:
And who knows, maybe in the next five years a radical shift will happen and people will change. But don't mistake my outlook as that of some emo 12 year old, as it truely doesn't concern me.
Cynical anarchist. No political system will ever be entirely fair, efficient and/or profitable, as it's humans that inevitably have to run things. Until we evolve a little, I don't see how this is ever going to change.
How do you manage that then? Surely, you're forced to pay taxes like everyone else?JMeganSnow said:
Surprising how many votes "Capitalism" got despite the fact it wasn't an actual system of politics so much as an economic system. It sort of demonstrates the fundamental problem with politics, really - people will tend to kneejerk react to things. Lasting McCarthyism sentiment even today has people scrambling to swear their allegiance to Capitalism as a political system despite the fact that, in terms of being a system that protects the people's rights at all, there's no mention at all.
Capitalism is all about a system of buying and selling to gain profit. So, endorsing Capitalism as a political system - a mode of governance for the people - is basically slavery: the people are governed by being bought and sold for profit.
Capitalism is all about a system of buying and selling to gain profit. So, endorsing Capitalism as a political system - a mode of governance for the people - is basically slavery: the people are governed by being bought and sold for profit.