Poll: Your Thoughts on Guns
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I think guns should be commissioned by tthe government to EVERYONE. saying that this shouldnt happen is like saying we should saw peoples fists off, if everyone has a gun, noone will use it
woah what part of america did you go to?interspark said:
was it jersey? thats a really bad place to judge america by, it's just the cheap plastic version of new york
Not so sure about this one. I think there are enough people who'll go: "Whoa! Cool! Let's try it out on something!" Well, I think it will go that way over here, because guns aren't legal to carry and thus a bit of a forbidden fruit.Jroo wuz heer said:
Unfortunately the population you'd be left with would be the most criminal people and the most jumpy people.DividedUnity said:
You left out poll option: Relaxation. Or fun. Or challenge.
Field stripping a handgun is a relaxing exercise for me. It gives my hands something to do, and I can think.
Going to a range is something I look forward to more than playing guitar. Seriously. I love the chance to go put holes in paper targets.
And now, I have a rifle of my own. A rifle fully capable hitting that 1000yard target at the range I go to. And I know that with some practice, I CAN hit it too. I want to be a distance marksman, I think it would be beyond cool to get paid to shoot.
Are guns dangerous? Of course, especially if you're an idiot. But then, if you're an idiot, anything is dangerous. You're significantly more likely to die in a car accident than by a firearm, and half of the firearm deaths in that statistic are self-inflicted/suicides. Guns are only as dangerous as your lack of knowledge about them.
Wealth: How do firearms equal wealth? You can buy a World War I bolt action rifle out of Russia for less than $100, buy 800 rounds of ammo for it for just about the same price. $200 is less than the price of the current generation game consoles, and 800 rounds of 54R are probably going to entertain you longer than most of the games you buy anyway. =p Especially out of a bolt action. Sure, there ARE expensive guns (Kimber's 1911s, CheyTac's Intervention, the civilian AUG and Tavor, most Barret rifles, Just about anything from Accuracy International, transferable Class III weapons, and the PSG1 I saw going for $20,000 (and not meeting the reserve) on Gun Broker), and expensive ammunitions (.454 $1.75/shot for cheap, .50BMG $3.40/shot, .408CheyTac $7.10/shot, .45-110 $4.20/shot), but you can easily avoid that.
Power: I suppose I see how power fits into your poll, but if you're buying a gun to have 'power' then you're buying a gun for the wrong reasons. However, if you're buying a range queen and just want to have something big, loud, and recoilful for giggles? Power's not always a bad thing. I can't wait to shoot my friend's .454.
Safety: Is actually a good reason to buy a firearm. First: To legally carry one, you have to go through courses that teach you how to care for your gun, how to safely handle it, and then how to properly fire it. Hell, most CHL will leave you a better shot than the local PD around here...
Field stripping a handgun is a relaxing exercise for me. It gives my hands something to do, and I can think.
Going to a range is something I look forward to more than playing guitar. Seriously. I love the chance to go put holes in paper targets.
And now, I have a rifle of my own. A rifle fully capable hitting that 1000yard target at the range I go to. And I know that with some practice, I CAN hit it too. I want to be a distance marksman, I think it would be beyond cool to get paid to shoot.
Are guns dangerous? Of course, especially if you're an idiot. But then, if you're an idiot, anything is dangerous. You're significantly more likely to die in a car accident than by a firearm, and half of the firearm deaths in that statistic are self-inflicted/suicides. Guns are only as dangerous as your lack of knowledge about them.
Wealth: How do firearms equal wealth? You can buy a World War I bolt action rifle out of Russia for less than $100, buy 800 rounds of ammo for it for just about the same price. $200 is less than the price of the current generation game consoles, and 800 rounds of 54R are probably going to entertain you longer than most of the games you buy anyway. =p Especially out of a bolt action. Sure, there ARE expensive guns (Kimber's 1911s, CheyTac's Intervention, the civilian AUG and Tavor, most Barret rifles, Just about anything from Accuracy International, transferable Class III weapons, and the PSG1 I saw going for $20,000 (and not meeting the reserve) on Gun Broker), and expensive ammunitions (.454 $1.75/shot for cheap, .50BMG $3.40/shot, .408CheyTac $7.10/shot, .45-110 $4.20/shot), but you can easily avoid that.
Power: I suppose I see how power fits into your poll, but if you're buying a gun to have 'power' then you're buying a gun for the wrong reasons. However, if you're buying a range queen and just want to have something big, loud, and recoilful for giggles? Power's not always a bad thing. I can't wait to shoot my friend's .454.
Safety: Is actually a good reason to buy a firearm. First: To legally carry one, you have to go through courses that teach you how to care for your gun, how to safely handle it, and then how to properly fire it. Hell, most CHL will leave you a better shot than the local PD around here...
that might happen in the first generation that gets guns, but after that it would be perfectly normalJack_Uzi said:
Only in countries which don't have sensible education systems is death by anything preventable such as idiots using guns common, it's obvious when you look at guns. If people were forced to learn about firearms as part of public education then their would be far fewer deaths by natural selection.
The same principle can be applied to anything from Sex education to driving if people are not taught about how to do things safely and effectively then people will die it is as simple as that.
The same principle can be applied to anything from Sex education to driving if people are not taught about how to do things safely and effectively then people will die it is as simple as that.
Lots of awesome games wouldn't be possible without them. Even in real life guns are very significant. Cave men used stones, the Romans used the bow and arrow and we use guns.
What next I wonder?
What next I wonder?
I don't feel safe with a gun around, unless it is a hunting rifle that has been properly secured. A hunting rifle/shotgun at least has a long barrel so that it cannot be used on close quarters effectively, and owning one can be justified if you are a hunter, otherwise there is no reason to have one.
I've heard the argument that the world would have no crime if everyone had a gun, but that is false. Someone would try to commit a crime, everyone in the vicinity would open fire, and someone would miss. That is not safety.
I've heard the argument that the world would have no crime if everyone had a gun, but that is false. Someone would try to commit a crime, everyone in the vicinity would open fire, and someone would miss. That is not safety.
I only fired a gun (Colt Diemaco carbine or rifle, I can't remember) on one occasion, and it was very fun to do so, so I'd pick that. I'd like to own a pistol and rifle purely for target practice and I'd love to try long range shooting.
Like those people who put signs in their garden saying they've got guns. To me those signs say "Kill me in my sleep so I can't shoot at you, then empty my house of all it's valuables."
I say if you really want to defend yourself, get proper locks, get safety glass, things that are really for defence. Guns are for retaliation, which is another matter entirely.
I always question it's use for self-defence. Said scumbags aren't known for their high intelligence, and instead of being deterred I reckon that they'd arm themselves sooner than not being a scumbag. Plus, wielding a weapon makes you a dangerous target, one an armed mugger is more prone to take out than an unarmed man who surrenders it's wallet. Afterall, the mugger or burglar has the surprise effect on you. You can arm yourself all you want, but if he's got a gun or knife aimed at you it's suicide to grab for your own weapon.blue_lame93@hotmail.com said:
Like those people who put signs in their garden saying they've got guns. To me those signs say "Kill me in my sleep so I can't shoot at you, then empty my house of all it's valuables."
I say if you really want to defend yourself, get proper locks, get safety glass, things that are really for defence. Guns are for retaliation, which is another matter entirely.
But is that thanks to the guns or thanks to the fact that such towns are usually not very urbanised. My village barely has any crime too but you'll barely find so much as an air rifle here.Koeryn said:
No, someone will use their gun and all hell will break loose. Every society has mentally ill people, some have no fear, or are just crazy. "but just don't give them one" you say, well the symptoms often do not show, and it takes something to set them off, but once they have gone off bad things happen (columbine, Dawson college). Further many people, even with training will have crappy aim, or miss occasionally. So if a situation arises where one must use their gun, like a crime taking place, they can miss. If 20 people in a shop shoot at the criminal, there is a good chance someone will get hit in the crossfire.Jroo wuz heer said:
Lastly, fists kill on the first strike almost none of the time, and if you hit someone they have a chance to hit back. A gun in all likelihood will kill on the first hit, or gravely wound. Once you get shot, you are also not shooting back, due to the extreme pain. If fists miss you look silly, if a bullet misses, it goes somewhere, and can kill when it gets there.
I chose "all of the above," however there are a few additional things that guns mean to me.
There's sport, which includes everything from just shooting at the firing range to competing in the summer Olympics.
There's reenacting. I know a lot of people who do American Revolutionary War reenactments, and most of them own or even make black-powder rifles (a few own cannons
).
There's also protection from wildlife. I know someone who lives in a rural part of Alaska, and she always has a gun when she walks around outside in case there are bears or moose nearby.
There's sport, which includes everything from just shooting at the firing range to competing in the summer Olympics.
There's reenacting. I know a lot of people who do American Revolutionary War reenactments, and most of them own or even make black-powder rifles (a few own cannons
). There's also protection from wildlife. I know someone who lives in a rural part of Alaska, and she always has a gun when she walks around outside in case there are bears or moose nearby.