portal 2 trolls

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

Some people need to develop a backbone. Calling people trolls because they don't like a game you happen to like is weak.

Here is a pro tip for you... If you think someones a troll..... DON'T FEED THEM!!

Some people just don't like this Valve game.

Bullshit, 7 out of every 10 reviews I have seen on metacritic were about this "Day 1 DLC" (even though technically, this is not DLC).

 

[Atmos Duality]

Sounds like another case of misplaced expectations.
I haven't been paying attention to any of the Portal 2 promos and such, simply because such things will quickly be forgotten in a few fleeting weeks.

All of the bitching and trolling will end in a couple of weeks, and we'll go right back to the Status Quo.

 

[Legion]

Funny how people substitute 'troll' for 'someone who doesn't think what I think'.

Except they are trolls, because as the OP demonstrated, they aren't using facts in their reviews of the game. A good portion of them probably haven't even played it.

A large majority of Escapist posters and arguments against JRPGs lack facts, but I didn't hear anyone calling them trolls.

There truly is a double standard on the Escapist when it comes to Valve and Bioware, as is clearly evident when they get bad-mouthed.

Hell, I was so happy to hear legitimate DA2 complaints. It meant the Escapist was growing out of it's "mindless fanboy" phase. Now that Valve is under attack, it seems it's sinking back.

If Valve had deliberately held back the ending of Portal 2 for some DLC then you can guarantee that even the most rabid fanboy would be calling Valve out on it, but this DLC, while a rather poor attempt to cash in, is not ripping people off in any way as it is entirely cosmetic.

Dead Space 2 had cosmetic DLC on day one as well, but nobody seemed to care about that, are those people complaining about Valves not committing a double standard for not also complaining about that?

So, if Bungie were to withold the armour customisation and charge you £28 to be able to customise your appearance in Halo Reach you people wouldn't be irate?
Well, I'm hardly surprised at this point.

It would be a little bit pathetic, but it's hardly an important feature in a first person shooter, but nobody is denying that Valve are trying to grab money, they are just pointing out that they are not doing anything unreasonable in doing so.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

I think it is from the Co-op market, basically hats, gestures, skins to use in Co-op. You buy the Portal box, use it - get items.

Honestly, it really isn't DLC, if is only aesthetic, not actual gameplay :/

They have a little shop for co-op skins/flags/gestures that you can buy (ala TF2). Except it's all 100% cosmetic...no items that affect gameplay or content in any way.

It's the little "robot enrichment" button in the bottom left of your screen on the main menu.

ah okay, i thought i'd missed something important, its about as stupid as the TF2 hats, but if people feel like they've got too much money and want to throw it away on pixel hats then fair nuff, its not like L.A. Noire where you're missing out on some (all be it rather tiny) gameplay content.

 

[JeanLuc761]

So, if Bungie were to withold the armour customisation and charge you £28 to be able to customise your appearance in Halo Reach you people wouldn't be irate?
Well, I'm hardly surprised at this point.

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

 

[Bill Bread]

is not ripping people off in any way as it is entirely cosmetic.

You think charging someone up to 10% of the price of the full game for a single 'shop item' isn't a rip off? Forget whether it's voluntary or not, that isn't what defines if something's a shitty deal or not.

 

[Bill Bread]

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

Nope, still stands. The previous Valve titles had a hat store. And the 'hat store' was advertised beforehand, to my knowledge.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Dead Space 2 had cosmetic DLC on day one as well, but nobody seemed to care about that, are those people complaining about Valves not committing a double standard for not also complaining about that?

They had complained about it. They complained it about to death.

It's the whole EA argument that Dragon Age started and finally had calmed down months ago.

 

[JeanLuc761]

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

Nope, still stands. The previous Valve titles had a hat store. And the 'hat store' was advertised beforehand, to my knowledge.

To my knowledge, there has only been one game in the history of Valve with a "hat store" and that's Team Fortress 2. And TF2 certainly wasn't marketed with the hat store as it was added several YEARS after the game was released.

 

[Defense]

I don't know what to believe. Portal 2 looks like it changed barely anything from the original Portal, so the only legitimate complaint I can think of is that it's too similar.

Maybe.

Funny how people substitute 'troll' for 'someone who doesn't think what I think'.

Except they are trolls, because as the OP demonstrated, they aren't using facts in their reviews of the game. A good portion of them probably haven't even played it.

A large majority of Escapist posters and arguments against JRPGs lack facts, but I didn't hear anyone calling them trolls.

There truly is a double standard on the Escapist when it comes to Valve and Bioware, as is clearly evident when they get bad-mouthed.

Hell, I was so happy to hear legitimate DA2 complaints. It meant the Escapist was growing out of it's "mindless fanboy" phase. Now that Valve is under attack, it seems it's sinking back.

jrpgs aer gay cuz they dont got space marines loooool

I wholeheartedly agree though. I've been playing Mass Effect 2 and it doesn't seem like a GOTY at all. Yeah, it's decent and it has polish, but it is thoroughly underwhelming. It feels almost exactly like Valve and Portal.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

Forget whether it's voluntary or not

Why should I?
That's the core of my argument.
It doesn't matter if a deal is shitty or not if you're not forced to buy it.

 

[bob1052]

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

Nope, still stands. The previous Valve titles had a hat store. And the 'hat store' was advertised beforehand, to my knowledge.

So wait, the Mann-conomy was that came around a few months ago was advertised before people bought Team Fortress 2?

Between going around to every post on this matter and spewing stuff about other people being fanboys and saying some ridiculously stupid things like this you really aren't doing well against the argument that the people angry about Day 1 DLC

Hint: this isn't even close to the Day 1 DLC that people had originally gotten up at arms about, its just that now a few idiots are running around applying it to everything without any logical consideration

 

[Ranorak]

This is just like that time when Blizzard put op a DLC that gave you a mini pet.
Oh the outcry, oh the terror.

Still, I got a cute kung-fu panda, and it doesn't change the gameplay what so ever.

This sort of stuff happens EVERYWHERE! But I guess some gamers are self entitled and ego central enough to realize that EXTRA's are not a new thing.
lets list a few:

-Additional memory on phones.
-additional functions on your car
-Additional channel for broadcast
-barbie's new clothes.


Even in software this is nothing new.
Collectors edition are doing this for ages.

 

[Irridium]

People are pissed because they aren't getting cosmetic items for free.

The game is complete, they're bitching because they can't get fucking cosmetic items that have no bearings on the gameplay or story at all.

If fucking hats and costumes affect your enjoyment of the main game, you really need to rethink your priorities.

 

[Legion]

is not ripping people off in any way as it is entirely cosmetic.

You think charging someone up to 10% of the price of the full game for a single 'shop item' isn't a rip off? Forget whether it's voluntary or not, that isn't what defines if something's a shitty deal or not.

Would I pay for it? Hell no, it's a stupid price.

However, things are only worth as much as people will pay for them. If loads of people buy it, then clearly it is not too expensive. If people don't buy them because they feel they are too much then Valve will be forced to lower the price or lose out.

I could care less about DLC. Day 1 or day 50.

Couldn't care less. You couldn't care less. If you "could care less" then that means you care.

 

[dohteM]

You're right, it was a terrible analogy. The rear parking sensors actually change the way your car works in some small way. It's more like paying $5000 for a car and then complaining about not getting some wicked awesome flame stickers to put on the side. Derp.

If you'd paid for a good paint job and then you didn't get one, then yeah, that's a reasonably good analogy.

No, I'm not talking about the paint job, I'm literally taking about fucking stickers. That's what this is. The game looks prettier than hell already, so the good paint job is there. If you choose to customize it further, as a six-year-old girl might do with her Barbie, good on you I suppose. Me? I'll take the fire-red Ferrari as it is.

Fire is actually orange.

 

[hudsonzero]

seeing as the day one dlc is just some skins and hats for multiplayer and not a map pack or anything i see no reason to complain.