Pre-owned games banned? Are you cool with that?
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It looks like if the rumor is true they will shoot themselves in the foot because I guarantee alot of people will not make the move so they will need to recoop their loses by some other gimicks which may hurt the already paying customers. I know I won't pay any next gen consoles that force you to buy new games.
There were the same rumors around when the 360 and ps3 were launching, besides being legally dubious at best to outright breaking consumer protection laws in several countries theres no real way to enforce some sort of registration program, at worst you'd need to keep your system offline or even simply opt out of registering a game it's simply too big of a hassle to the console makers. On top of that Sony and Microsoft aren't the ones really being hurt by used sales there so much larger than developers that a game selling 1 million less copies isn't a big deal, simply put used games are far down on the console makers list of concerns.
I have never bought anything used game or DVD. That is mainly because I don't trust the people who the game/DVD in. I know employees have to check to make sure the item works but I was a;ways afraid they would miss something.
Plus, I am a PC gamer now so the odds of me even seeing someone sell a used PC game is very slim to none.
I am not really cool with pre-owned games being banned. I don't understand why the retail store that sells a game used can't give some of the money to the developer. Perhaps if retailers started doing that there would not be all this hostility about used games.
Plus, I am a PC gamer now so the odds of me even seeing someone sell a used PC game is very slim to none.
I am not really cool with pre-owned games being banned. I don't understand why the retail store that sells a game used can't give some of the money to the developer. Perhaps if retailers started doing that there would not be all this hostility about used games.
The only problem I see with that is the assumption that everyone only buys used games from gamestop or the like. Out of the 102 console games I posses between 360 and PS3, my breakdown runs as follows.TheKasp said:
7 purchased day of release or while still at max price
31 purchased new when the price had dropped to a reasonable price.
3 purchased from gamestop used (All three were old sports titles. Total equalling up to less than 10$
12 purchased used online via amazon/glyde/ebay etc
49 purchased via local methods such as pawn shops, local video stores, garage sales, trades with friends, but im uncertain on exact figures of each.
So while that breaks down to 38 games that the developers saw money from my purchase, and 64 times when they didnt that still breaks down to only 3-15 times(Dependent on what your considering evil corp) that a chain store run by assholes who abuse everyone they come in contact with got money in favor of the 38 times the developer saw my money. The remaining 49 instances? was supporting a local business that helped the local economy, and was helping people I have went out drinking with in the past. Practically half the time I was choosing to support friends and my local economy.
So I dont think it is safe to say that if you are buying used, your buying from a gamestop or national equivalent. I think it is safe to say that most people who buy a lot of games, will buy from a wide variety of sources. You simply cannot use tunnel vision to look at the video game industry, because the developers and publishers are only a tiny fraction of what the industry actually is. No different than any other industry.
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Now on topic, Im not cool with that. I do not think it will happen, but I have been wrong before. But obviously as my numbers above indicated, I have a vested interest in used gaming. So honestly, If the next generation goes anti used, I wont be buying that console. Simply put it is absolutely wrong for the manufacturers to think they are entitled to secondary sale profits. No physical industry is able to do this. There are laws that protect the secondary sale industry as well as consumers rights to buy and sell unwanted items. Industries that are digital centric are not exempt from playing by the rules simply because they have a means to work around those rules.
There is only one way I would ever consider buying a console that is anti used. That is if every single piece of software sold for that console is automatically sold for half the price as the console being anti used automatically removes literally half the value of any and all software sold on it.
One other thing people seem to forget in all this. This hypothetically would not just effect gamers who buy used. This would effect every single gamer period regardless of if you buy used or not. Just paid 60$ for that shiney new copy of Generic brown FPS? Want to take your copy to your friends house and play split screen? Better be prepared to dig through the octopus like mound of wires behind your tv, and untangle it all disconnect your box, Pray the moving it does not damage your system, lug it to their house, unhook theirs, hook yours up... all just to play with a friend something you legally purchased and supported the developers by doing so.
EDIT: So in short people want to get mad at people supporting used because it allows the developers and publishers to secure more money. Understand some things. That position will secure developers and publishers LESS money. That position will hurt local small businesses, that position will hurt the industry as a whole. That position is completely illogical for any gamer to support because it hurts all gamers and basically all commercial industries.
If these rumours are true, I bet they are going fully digital. It would make sense, since fully digital would put them well ahead of Sony. I wouldn't be okay with it otherwise, and would most likely not want the console. I'd still get it, but I'd be pissed and likely buy even less games than I already do (a couple a year).
Why is the gaming industry so pissy about it? No other industry gets angry about it. You don't see car manufactures complaining about people buying second hand cars. They've gotten the money from the game, they do not need it again, especially as it would be 100% profit the second time around. It's just greed. It's also a huge too bad for people who can't afford new games or who, like me, have only gotten into gaming recently and want older games that aren't sold new anymore.
Yeah I know. I mean, you can't take down every game out there since most don't violate copyrights. If only there was a law that would allow large publishing groups to forcibly close popular distribution sites entirely based upon infringements committed by only a fraction of the community, allowing them to retain sole control over the production and distribution of games...hazabaza1 said:
The industry would probably get behind something like that. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115400-ESA-Speaks-Vaguely-About-SOPA-Support]
because the publishers are paragons of virtue right?TheKasp said:
also do you enjoy your DRM?
anyway I dont care, its not illigal, it benefits me the consumer so screw'em they can eather bash their heads against a brick wall (eg: the music industrys reaction to downloading) or they can fucking handle it without punishing people
(I buy most of my games new anyway)
I am not a poor person myself, although my income would probably say otherwise (living on carers allowance and a small income from self employment). I have never bought a new console game. The reason for this is they are ridiculously overpriced. £40 is not a good price and I will not spend that much on a game. my maximum is £10 and as games that are not used are way above that, I do not buy them. They are just not worth that much money.Caleco said:
So what happens when the console becomes obsolete and games are no longer produced for it? I can understand game companies wanting to curb the second hand market as its hurting their profits but come on people there are better ways of doing buisness lets face it no game developer has ever offered to buy back a game I dind't like at reduced price and sell it a second time.
So what happens when the console becomes obsolete and games are no longer produced for it? I can understand game companies wanting to curb the second hand market as its hurting their profits but come on people there are better ways of doing buisness lets face it no game developer has ever offered to buy back a game I dind't like at reduced price and sell it a second time.
