president Obama congratulates Michael Vick's new boss.

[Lilani]

I think I'm a bit torn on this. I believe that everybody should be given a chance to turn things around, but at the same time I think the death penalty should apply to sexual abuse. The way I see it, true redemption is between the individual and God. Any judgments given here on earth should only be in the interest of the safety of the public. In the end, we can give no "justice" to them here, that's not our domain.

I have some reservations, but if those people want to give him a second chance, good for them.

 

[MellowFellow]

No one cares about anything you are doing outside of the sport you participating in as long as you are winning them games, it is that simple. You win a team games, you can be as big of an asshole as you want to be, you can get away with a lot other things too, but at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is winning games. It doesn't really matter what sport it is either.

 

[lacktheknack]

wow can people seriously stop making topics about this already?

talk about beating a dead horse.

The man did his time get over it and let the man take care of his family btw it was just some dogs.

bad answer

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

good answer

He also does community service about how wrong dog violence is when he isn't required to which many people don't know about.

Sure he could be lying about it and deceiving everyone and he hasn't actually changed but can people just have faith in humanity for once?

no that is the truth and people need to get it into there heads that humans over rule a bunch of dead dogs.

Being tactless doesn't drive the point into people's heads, it makes them ignore you.

 

[lewism247]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

I would agree with this most of the time but there are a few situations where my mentality would be burn the bastard.

OP: The guy was convicted and did his time, I think it would be unfair not to give him a second chance. I don't judge murderers and rapists on the same level as animal abusers, although it is still a terrible thing to do.

 

[lacktheknack]

Obviously, it was really Obama himself who abused the dogs, because he's Hitler and also the Antichrist, aside from being an evil warlord from the planet Zoltex. Where is the outrage, I ask you? Where?!

Um, irrelevant satire is irrelevant?

 

[Arsen]

Why is the president endorsing matters outside of his sphere of influence? This is exactly why I am against Obama on many aspects. He doesn't act presidential, but he loves being a "celebrity" in the eyes of the media. Even then the guy's just trying to cater towards the "African American" opinion being that's where the majority of his powerflux is coming from. Many on that side believe the guy's being overloaded with punishment for being black, therefore as the "first black president" he has to cater towards that opinion. Plain and simple, it's an opinionated political move.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Sure, why not? I mean, the guy's a good player, speaking from a fantasy football/video game football player. Speaking from the human level, he did his time, he sees (hopefully) what he did was wrong, and just wants to get past it. I mean yeah, I can understand why you wouldnt give him a second chance (in a vain, hypocritical and elitist view I suppose).

Besides, Obama probably did it to get some good news and to have people view him positively. (most) People forgive Michael Vick, because he did his time, and is proving to be examplerly in behavior after incarceration. ANd its good to see people trusting michael, picking him up. I can tell you one thing, They're a team to be reconed with Vick as QB, and I can see them winning a super bowl, or at least reaching the playoffs consistantly.

 

[burningdragoon]

I think I'm a bit torn on this. I believe that everybody should be given a chance to turn things around, but at the same time I think the death penalty should apply to sexual abuse. The way I see it, true redemption is between the individual and God. Any judgments given here on earth should only be in the interest of the safety of the public. In the end, we can give no "justice" to them here, that's not our domain.

I have some reservations, but if those people want to give him a second chance, good for them.

Well I certainly like this answer, but that's probably just that whole somewhat religious thing talking.

No one cares about anything you are doing outside of the sport you participating in as long as you are winning them games, it is that simple. You win a team games, you can be as big of an asshole as you want to be, you can get away with a lot other things too, but at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is winning games. It doesn't really matter what sport it is either.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. So on the topic of the Pres congratulating the Eagles' owner for giving Vick a second chance is giving the owner too much credit.

 

[Isolda Sage]

Obviously, it was really Obama himself who abused the dogs, because he's Hitler and also the Antichrist, aside from being an evil warlord from the planet Zoltex. Where is the outrage, I ask you? Where?!

I think i detect a bit of sarcasm here but your response is just goofy. Do you have an answer to the question? Do you support his decision to make the phone call?

 

[emeraldrafael]

Why is the president endorsing matters outside of his sphere of influence? This is exactly why I am against Obama on many aspects. He doesn't act presidential, but he loves being a "celebrity" in the eyes of the media.

wha? You know most presidents do this kinda stuff, right? Besides, he does everything a President should do, you just dont agree with his policies. I dont either (on most of them, or at least the practice of them), but that doesnt mean he doesnt act presidential.

 

[Tdc2182]

You're comment sparked interest in me.

I'm more of a public and horrendous punishment for rapists and child molesters (viscerally but I'm not dumb enough to think that will actually work).

Very well put.

ON the topic of animals, and the abuse thereof, it's bad but they are just animals and if you think a crime against an animal is equal to a crime against a human congratulations you have zero perspective. (seriously all that bullshit about the woman putting a cat in a bin in a fucking world where babies are dumped in garbage without a fucking murmur)

Saying something is "just animals" is very obtuse. Dogs and cats(but mostly dogs), have the ability to feel emotion. Where humans and other animals separate, is the ability to convey emotion. It is claimed that they feel fear worse than humans in some cases, for the very reason that they can't convey emotion. (like people)

EDIT: on the topic of the Bible there are many good quotes and a far more really bad ones. Some are also just insane like the part where Jesus basically tamed some dragons or when he just straight kills a kid who bumped into him in the street (Neither in the bible because they were extracted in the 3rd century, scriptures of Psuedo-Matthew (not the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Matthew)).

Exactly.

Its crazy to think that the original bible is in the Vatican, and everyone who can interpret it died a few hundred years ago.

 

[thublihnk]

He deserves redemption, but he got off too easy.

 

[Isolda Sage]

He deserves redemption, but he got off too easy.

Maybe that is my biggest concern. I hate what he did and to see him out on the field as if it never happened was bad enough. The president making the phone call just adds insult to injury. He got off way too easy!

 

[thublihnk]

He deserves redemption, but he got off too easy.

Maybe that is my biggest concern. I hate what he did and to see him out on the field as if it never happened was bad enough. The president making the phone call just adds insult to injury. He got off way too easy!

Getting out of jail after a highly publicized animal abuse arrest to a high-paying job in (let's face it) the entertainment industry is not something most people can get away with.

 

[Warforger]

This past holiday season the president of the United States of America took time out of his family vacation to call Eagles? owner Jeffrey Lurie to congratulate him for giving quarterback, Michael Vick another chance after his deplorable treatment of dogs. Was this reasonable? Does the man deserve a second chance ?

*I personally am of the belief that rapist, child molesters and animal abusers do not deserve redemption.

Famous black people tend to get away with it, take DMX and his wife they were convicted but no one seemed to care since he always went to jail every other week.

 

[Eri]

ON the topic of animals, and the abuse thereof, it's bad but they are just animals and if you think a crime against an animal is equal to a crime against a human congratulations you have zero perspective.

Humans are animals.

 

[Mcupobob]

I'm sorry when did the fucking president become a fucking mediator for celebrities? And why is he on another fucking vacation? Almost everything about that man just pisses me off.