How in the world did he get off easy 18 months in jail lost his job and his wealth and people are still riding him about it no matter what he has done to show he has changed.At some point enough is enough and Vick has long been passed that point.Isolda Sage said:
president Obama congratulates Michael Vick's new boss.
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I personally think that the good people of Best Friends Animal Sanctuary and of Bad Rap Rescue group and the countless others involved in rehabilitating the dogs abused by Michael Vick and the scum bags at Bad News Kennels deserve a thank you phone call from the president. Bottom line is that those people have done something of real value in this world not Jeffery Lurie who was simply looking out for the bottom line.thublihnk said:
Decent human beings > Animals > Animal abusers (ie. indecent human beings)
People need to stop using the "people are more important than dogs" bullshit to defend this guy. Harming animals for shits and giggles shows a complete lack of respect for life.
At least violent crimes against humans can have reason, passion/desperation/anger can all influence someone into disregarding the respect that decent people have for the life and wellbeing of others.
What is an animal/child abuser's excuse? This is why animal abuse warrants such strong reactions. There is very little difference between abuse of a child and that of an animal. They are both (generally) incapable of defending themselves.
Also, animal abuse is almost always done in the name of enjoyment. If someone can attack, torture and potentially kill something for no reason other than a twisted sense of fun, how can we trust them in society, to remain civil in situations where another person gives them a reason to turn to violence?
People need to stop using the "people are more important than dogs" bullshit to defend this guy. Harming animals for shits and giggles shows a complete lack of respect for life.
At least violent crimes against humans can have reason, passion/desperation/anger can all influence someone into disregarding the respect that decent people have for the life and wellbeing of others.
What is an animal/child abuser's excuse? This is why animal abuse warrants such strong reactions. There is very little difference between abuse of a child and that of an animal. They are both (generally) incapable of defending themselves.
Also, animal abuse is almost always done in the name of enjoyment. If someone can attack, torture and potentially kill something for no reason other than a twisted sense of fun, how can we trust them in society, to remain civil in situations where another person gives them a reason to turn to violence?
Incredibly well said !!! I could not agree more and when the abuse of animals becomes disinteresting for these psychopaths they will simply move on to people, women and children usually.fletch_talon said:
Two years in prison is getting off easy for killing dogs?thublihnk said:
I value human life above the life of any other animal. I frankly don't see breeding dogs to fight each other to death as substantially worse than breeding some other animal to be slaughtered for fashion. Sure it's a deplorable act, but it's worse to take a human's freedom.
If he was caught killing people's family dogs I'd feel differently, but as it is the situation has been blown out of proportion.
What about murderers? Because there's <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dont%C3%A9_Stallworth#Manslaughter_charges>a convicted murderer in the NFL too, you know.Isolda Sage said:
he served two years in prison, lost tens of millions of dollars and went bankrupt. in what way should he have gotten off harder?Isolda Sage said:
I really wouldn't argue for the beheading of any of them. No.BobDobolina said:
EDIT:what is your problem?
EDIT:Alright, I did misread your question. I just skimmed over the post.BobDobolina said:
I would draw a distinction between killing for sustenance and killing for one's jollies. Having said that I would love to see much stricter regulations on agribusiness or better yet I would love for people to boycott those businesses until they make improvements.
*on a side note this will more than likely be my last response to you as I really do not like you.
I could forgive everything he did off the field after he served his time and earned his starting job, but I hope we (Atlanta) break him in half in the Georgia Dome for half-assing it while he was here.
Because clearly, American presidents can't have lives outside of the White House. Srs Bsns 24/7, or the "folksy" will hate you! /dry sarcasmArsen said:
I suppose George W. Bush regularly having televised barbecues is okay and "getting with the people", but Obama trying to do the same thing is "going outside his sphere of influence", and should stick to being a good little "liberal" inside his ivory white house, huh?
Really? What reason is there to kill anyone? According to this post:fletch_talon said:
This is enough for him to kill that person, or at least make it reasonable, just casue he doesnt like him. Also, not all murders are reasonable. Did Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Jr. (among others) have any REAL reason to kill their victims.Isolda Sage said:
Besides, did you see the dogs that he was accused of dog fighting with? They're Pit Bulls, I mean, do you know how many of those kill/horribly maim people a year? Especially children. Go on, take a read at a few of these sites and see the news and statistics and tell me these animals are "innocent" as a breed:
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
GO ahead, pick a case, tell me the reason for it.
Now, I dont hate Pit Bulls. On the contrary, I enjoy them. A friend has three, and they love me, him, his five year old cousin, and are the nicest dogs you could meet. They're gentle, and loving. But even still, we watch them. They've shown aggression without reason, and we've stopped them, had to literally wrestle one to the ground and restrain and sedate it, because his three year old neice (its a weird family thing where his older sister is in her thirties) was playing with a baby toy that made noises. BUt the fact is this is not an innocent breed. So really that equation should be:
Decent human beings > Animals > Animal abusers > Aggressively Bred Animals.
Yes, training can stop that, but thats more training, from the start. you're overriding a primal urge bred in the dog.
Thats not to say what he did was right, but you can all take a step off that high horse you're all on when you look at Animals that attack kids. Also, this wasnt enjoyment. This was greed. reasonable actions for a person to reject a living being's will, according to your argument of course.
I'm not saying his actions were right, or that his actions should be forgotten, but when a man such as Vick is playing a contact sport as violent as (American) Football and doesnt show aggressive qualities after he leaves the field, I think there's been rehibilitation. And lets not forget, you're talking about a sport that is founded on, encourages, and forces violence to be successful in play. Perhaps this is good to let him get this aggression out. Lets not forget about James Harrison of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who went home and beat his wife cause she had different thoughts then on him baptizing their child. Why dont you tell me the reason for that, and why its reasonable or acceptable that he did not go to jail? Because it was in the name of God? cause it wasnt an animal? cause it was a woman? Give me a good reason, I'm listening and waiting.
Actually I had no idea there was a convicted murderer in the NFL. I don't follow the sport. I know Vick story simply because it was all over the news. Also I would be offended had a U.S. President called the owner of that team as well.cobra_ky said:
I really wish I knew how to do that "snip" thing.emeraldrafael said:
I don't know where to start. I know pit bulls pretty well. I've been around them my whole life. They are not one of the dogs that are most likely to bite humans but when they do attack it is a tragedy. The statistics are somewhat flawed on the number of annual bites because some of the other bully breeds( American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers,American Bulldogs, Cona Corsos and others)are often classified as "pit bulls" simply because they have that "look".
even though they are entirely different breeds. Aggressive behavior is NOT normal and just can't be tolerated from a dog of this strength. Your friend should seek out a trainer ASAP. I have never had to worry about my own dogs. They just weren't aggressive at all!
I have had the misfortune of knowing people in the dog fighting world, sure they are greedy but they unfortunately absolutely enjoy what they do!
THEY LOVE IT!!
And the scumbags of bad newz kennels took LOTS OF PLEASURE in torturing those dogs! No dogs deserve that!
It sucks that James Harrison got away with beating his wife.
EDIT: I have never ever had to do extra training to "over ride" aggression in pit bulls. They are NOT naturally aggressive towards humans. My last pit of 14 years was a nanny to my child, earned the Canine Good Citizen Award and was an outstanding therapy dog. You will find countless stories like that out there too. Many of the Vick dogs were able to be rehabilitated; because their aggression, if they had any, was targeted towards other dogs.
Aggressive dogs with that kind of strength unfortunately have no place in this world and of course should NOT EVER be bread.