president Obama congratulates Michael Vick's new boss.

[Isolda Sage]

This past holiday season the president of the United States of America took time out of his family vacation to call Eagles? owner Jeffrey Lurie to congratulate him for giving quarterback, Michael Vick another chance after his deplorable treatment of dogs. Was this reasonable? Does the man deserve a second chance ?

*I personally am of the belief that rapist, child molesters and animal abusers do not deserve redemption.

 

[AvsJoe]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

 

[lacktheknack]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

This, this, and THIS. (Respectively.)

 

[manythings]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

I'm more of a public and horrendous punishment for rapists and child molesters (viscerally but I'm not dumb enough to think that will actually work).

ON the topic of animals, and the abuse thereof, it's bad but they are just animals and if you think a crime against an animal is equal to a crime against a human congratulations you have zero perspective. (seriously all that bullshit about the woman putting a cat in a bin in a fucking world where babies are dumped in garbage without a fucking murmur)

EDIT: on the topic of the Bible there are many good quotes and a far more really bad ones. Some are also just insane like the part where Jesus basically tamed some dragons or when he just straight kills a kid who bumped into him in the street (Neither in the bible because they were extracted in the 3rd century, scriptures of Psuedo-Matthew (not the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Matthew)).

 

[gkid87]

The man did his time get over it and let the man take care of his family btw it was just some dogs.

 

[Midnight Crossroads]

I've fucked up enough in my life to believe in second chances. Vick shouldn't have what happened in the past ruin his life in the future or the present. He's already paid for what he's done.

 

[voetballeeuw]

I suppose so. Vick served his time. Hopefully, he doesn't fuck up his second chance.

 

[jp201]

wow can people seriously stop making topics about this already?

talk about beating a dead horse.

The man did his time get over it and let the man take care of his family btw it was just some dogs.

bad answer

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

good answer

He also does community service about how wrong dog violence is when he isn't required to which many people don't know about.

Sure he could be lying about it and deceiving everyone and he hasn't actually changed but can people just have faith in humanity for once?

 

[burningdragoon]

I would question whether or not the owner cared about giving him a second chance or if he just wanted to keep a good football player (I'm assuming he's pretty good at least) before I would discuss whether or not Vick deserved it. Also, I don't really think playing football plays any part in Vick's redemption. You don't redeem horrible acts by winning football games. If anything, his redemption should happen before he starts playing football again, but w/e.

So... I'd say, sure he deserves a chance to prove himself, but football has nothing to do with it. So the team owner doesn't really deserve any congratulations either.

Did anyone congratulate the Lakers' owner for letting Kobe keep playing after committing adultery? Cuz no one should have for that either.

 

[Isolda Sage]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

I'm more of a public and horrendous punishment for rapists and child molesters (viscerally but I'm not dumb enough to think that will actually work).

ON the topic of animals, and the abuse thereof, it's bad but they are just animals and if you think a crime against an animal is equal to a crime against a human congratulations you have zero perspective. (seriously all that bullshit about the woman putting a cat in a bin in a fucking world where babies are dumped in garbage without a fucking murmur)

Although the abuse of animals is not equal to the abuse of humans it is bad enough that these people should be shunned by people of good conscience. I know that some of the most brutal people on earth, most serial killers start by abusing animals it's classic indicator of what they are capable of. Micheal Vick's treatment of animals was particularly sickening.

 

[Boneasse]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

This, this, and THIS. (Respectively.)

But.. But.. But that was only one statement! You can't just "this" it three times!

OT: I agree with this.

 

[Isolda Sage]

wow can people seriously stop making topics about this already?

talk about beating a dead horse.

The man did his time get over it and let the man take care of his family btw it was just some dogs.

bad answer

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

good answer

Oooops! I did a search for the topic. I only found one on what Tucker Carelton said. I more wanted to know what people thought of what Obama did.

 

[lacktheknack]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

This, this, and THIS. (Respectively.)

But.. But.. But that was only one statement! You can't just "this" it three times!

OT: I agree with this.

Actually, there were three. Read it carefully.

 

[Boneasse]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

This, this, and THIS. (Respectively.)

But.. But.. But that was only one statement! You can't just "this" it three times!

OT: I agree with this.

Actually, there were three. Read it carefully.

Arh yes, true! That's what I get for not reading it properly.

 

[Raiha]

if the man were to have had homeless people fighting over food in his basement, no onw would have cared. because it was dogs, he is a deplorable human being who should be drawn and quartered.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

I'm more of a public and horrendous punishment for rapists and child molesters (viscerally but I'm not dumb enough to think that will actually work).

ON the topic of animals, and the abuse thereof, it's bad but they are just animals and if you think a crime against an animal is equal to a crime against a human congratulations you have zero perspective. (seriously all that bullshit about the woman putting a cat in a bin in a fucking world where babies are dumped in garbage without a fucking murmur)

Although the abuse of animals is not equal to the abuse of humans it is bad enough that these people should be shunned by people of good conscience. I know that some of the most brutal people on earth, most serial killers start by abusing animals it's classic indicator of what they are capable of. Micheal Vick's treatment of animals was particularly sickening.

People of good conscience should realize when it is time to stop holding a grude and look beyond a man's past. If Vick has truly reformed himself there is no reason to continue to berate and shun him. Doing so accomplishes nothing, will make him feel isolated and rejected as a result. When people won't accept him no matter what he does, it seems far more likely that he would do even worse things than if we just moved on.

This doesn't mean what he did wasn't bad and should simply be forgotten, but there's no reason to deny him redemption. I believe that any person, if they have truly and honestly reformed, should be given redemption.

 

[Luke5515]

He seems like he really is a changed man. I say, he deserves his second chance just like everyone else. And, I might be wrong, but didn't the head of an animal abuse protection group come out and say that after seeing how much of a changed man Vick is, they would endorse him owning a dog again? It wasn't a minor organization either, it was a decent sized well respected one I believe.
EDIT: found link, it was the Humane Society http://www.newsmild.com/humane-society-president-open-to-michael-vick-owning-dogs-again

 

[gkid87]

wow can people seriously stop making topics about this already?

talk about beating a dead horse.

The man did his time get over it and let the man take care of his family btw it was just some dogs.

bad answer

Everybody deserves a chance at redemption. This would be an excellent time for me to quote the Bible, but I'm in the wrong forum to do so.

good answer

He also does community service about how wrong dog violence is when he isn't required to which many people don't know about.

Sure he could be lying about it and deceiving everyone and he hasn't actually changed but can people just have faith in humanity for once?

no that is the truth and people need to get it into there heads that humans over rule a bunch of dead dogs.

 

[lacktheknack]

EDIT: on the topic of the Bible there are many good quotes and a far more really bad ones. Some are also just insane like the part where Jesus basically tamed some dragons or when he just straight kills a kid who bumped into him in the street (Neither in the bible because they were extracted in the 3rd century, scriptures of Psuedo-Matthew (not the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Matthew)).

Your immediate jump at the topic to directly attack it ("far more really bad ones") is EXACTLY why he says this is the wrong forum for it. I've gotten cried at because I stated that this forum is fairly anti-religious, but you do it no credit.

Let's keep this stuff in the Religion and Politics forum.

Let's also hope that the Religion and Politics forum gets mauled to death by bears.

 

[Isolda Sage]

if the man were to have had homeless people fighting over food in his basement, no onw would have cared. because it was dogs, he is a deplorable human being who should be drawn and quartered.

No he would be worse! And that would definitely make the news because it would be so freaking unusual.