Woah, in what reality would no guns lead to more murders? I get that the murders would be more brutal, or at the very least require more physical effort on the part of the murderer (although to be honest I don't care squat about how brutal am murder is, someone is dead at the end of it and the method of getting there is irrelevant), but I can't really see the number of murders actually increasing on account of the absence of guns. Does not having access to guns make people hulk out and murder from rage at the loss of freedom or something?Lunar Templar said:
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sorry for sounding like it would, but that seems to be the general vibe of the 'anti gun crowd'. personally, I dislike guns, its a cowards weapon to me and cheapens the act of taking a life, I'll wait for you to pick your jaw off your desk from hearing an American say that.Azahul said:
But I don't see how it'll make a difference ether way, sure, maybe the murder rate won't go up, and maybe it'll even go down a little. but I have serious doubts as to how much that dip would be, after all, how many country's that have banned guns and still have major problems with murder rates?
anyway, until we fix 'the people' taking away weapons isn't going to do much in the long run, though I'm lacking for any ideas as to how to do that.
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On topic, i suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with this method of mass-production, but there's going to need to be a shitload of regulating and security to keep every owner of a 3D Printer from getting their hands on weapon blueprints.
I'd like to point out, to everone worried about this, that 3d printing uses a starch compound that, while it may FEEL hard and solid, would NEVER, EVER contain the force of a gunshot.
Off the top of my head, most pistol caliburs fire with a few thousand newtons, and the only thing that keeps all of that force headed in one direction is the fact that the chamber of the gun is built of materials designed to withstand that pressure. If there's even the slightest crack in the material, the whole thing just explodes. So what do you think happens when you replace those sturdy metals with starches?
Yeah. You couldn't even fire one round out of these things. Sorry, alarmists, but this is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Off the top of my head, most pistol caliburs fire with a few thousand newtons, and the only thing that keeps all of that force headed in one direction is the fact that the chamber of the gun is built of materials designed to withstand that pressure. If there's even the slightest crack in the material, the whole thing just explodes. So what do you think happens when you replace those sturdy metals with starches?
Yeah. You couldn't even fire one round out of these things. Sorry, alarmists, but this is absolutely nothing to worry about.
you make a fair point by saying people are assholes. (i mean look at you.... kidding obviously that was too easy) Controlling guns may not necessarily reduce murder rates, but damn it i think its worth a shot. (HA) A guns only purpose is to make living things dead, yes there are other tools that can accomplish the same goal but a hammer is not meant for that. (trust me its messy) why allow people to have such items whos only use is to make dead things. now im not saying that a total ban on guns is necessary because i know that there are people out there that shoot responsibly, but having strong control on who can have a gun would probably help. Back on topic you can probably guess i think printing guns is kinda silly.Lunar Templar said:
I get that guns can be cool, ie: A replica musket but this is too far. Can't hill billies just have another hobby like Music or video games?
excuse me?!. I AM AN ASSHOLE, I'm been a jerk to a lot of people earn that title, I deserve to be referred to as such.chaos order said:
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The problem there is, EVERY MOTHER FUCKER IN WASHINGTON DC. these ass holes can't agree on anything (national debt reduction anyone ...), and when they do it usually makes things worse. you really think its a good idea to give these assclowns a list of 'dangerous items', cause you know once they get started they aren't gonna wanna stop at just guns.
Why no, I don't trust my government, why do you ask?
No, there doesn't need to be extra regulation and security. That kind of shit is what prompted things like printable weapons in the first place.Mortis Nuncius said:Scow2 said:Maybe this list will inform you on the exact level of fascism and monopolizing of gun manufacturing we are dealing with. Just...truly astonishing.
On topic, i suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with this method of mass-production, but there's going to need to be a shitload of regulating and security to keep every owner of a 3D Printer from getting their hands on weapon blueprints.
Because there are some living people in this world who need to be made dead, because with or without guns, they will make life miserble (Or cut it short) for far more people. Controlling who has guns only gives the guns to those who don't give a damn about the 'control'.chaos order said:
If attempts to bring down crime by regulating guns results in spikes in violent assaults, brazen robberies and burglaries (and muggings), increased incidents of rape, and an overall rise in violent crime (As has been observed to happen in every instance of Gun Control in the U.S. - it's part of our culture), then NO, it's NOT "Worth a shot". Getting people injured, assaulted, robbed, or killed in pursuit of policies that have been proven failures time and time again is NOT the way to go.
However, as others have noted, this silliness is doomed because of the inability for 3D printer materials to stand up to the force of a gunshot.
Dear god, you are saying just about every single thing that I could possibly say.Lunar Templar said:
Not to mention, guns allow the weak, elderly, and handicapped to be on the same level as an attacker, something that isn't doable when only knives or mace are legal.
Just my view on the American response of; "without guns people would just find other ways to kill each other."
Yeah, there is an element of that, history teaches us that we as a race are violent towards each other and probably will be until (if) we reach a higher stage of evolution. However, that will never happen if we continue to support weapons and the violence that they allow. Not to mention the fact that if you ask an intelligent, rational thinker outside of the U.S s/he will tell you that using a gun to murder somebody is a very impersonal act - you don't even have to look your target in the eyes, you can simply aim, shoot, then walk away with your hands clean. Take away guns and all of a sudden, the act of killing your fellow man becomes a lot more difficult, you have to get close to them, you have to look them in the eye as the light fades, you have to get their blood, on your hands.
America, we're waiting for you guys to get past your adolescence, I sincerely hope that with it's end you look past your love affair with firearms.
Yeah, there is an element of that, history teaches us that we as a race are violent towards each other and probably will be until (if) we reach a higher stage of evolution. However, that will never happen if we continue to support weapons and the violence that they allow. Not to mention the fact that if you ask an intelligent, rational thinker outside of the U.S s/he will tell you that using a gun to murder somebody is a very impersonal act - you don't even have to look your target in the eyes, you can simply aim, shoot, then walk away with your hands clean. Take away guns and all of a sudden, the act of killing your fellow man becomes a lot more difficult, you have to get close to them, you have to look them in the eye as the light fades, you have to get their blood, on your hands.
America, we're waiting for you guys to get past your adolescence, I sincerely hope that with it's end you look past your love affair with firearms.
Huh, so now we can digistruct shit? And we're starting with guns? Somebody call Tediore, they're gona love this!
That's like saying, "drinking age requirements are the reason fake IDs are made in the first place" which is quite frankly a terrible, terrible argument. There's a reason for regulations and laws specifically for firearms and that is to prevent idiots with itchy trigger fingers and little to no sensibility from owning a gun. I do realize there are plenty of irresponsible people who somehow managed to obtain a firearm through legal means out there, but I hardly think completely deregulating firearms is going to further prevent that. Or do any good whatsoever.Scow2 said:No, there doesn't need to be extra regulation and security. That kind of shit is what prompted things like printable weapons in the first place.Mortis Nuncius said:Scow2 said:Maybe this list will inform you on the exact level of fascism and monopolizing of gun manufacturing we are dealing with. Just...truly astonishing.
On topic, i suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with this method of mass-production, but there's going to need to be a shitload of regulating and security to keep every owner of a 3D Printer from getting their hands on weapon blueprints.
That soapbox is very unbecoming beneath you...AldUK said:
First off, I'm very certain most Americans aren't supportive of the violent acts that come with owning a firearm (except hunting for sport, of course). By you're logic, supporting the ownership of knives is considered promoting the stabbing, slicing, and otherwise maiming your fellow man with cutlery. There are safe methods of gun use and ownership that, in a perfect world, would prevent any acts of violence or other illegal activities being committed with them entirely. It's unfortunate that it's not the case, but that's just how things are.
Secondly, as impersonal as shooting someone may be in comparison to other means of murder, the difficulty, on a psychological level, just simply cannot be gauged on the scale with which you are currently doing so. Besides, it's not as if people are sniping each other from rooftops that are hundreds of yards away. It usually happens at point-blank range. One of my own uncles was killed this way. He was shot in the head in his own bathroom. By his brother-in-law no less. Now, you tell me what is so easy about looking family right in the eye before putting one in 'em. Would it have been any more difficult for him to have used a knife? Yeah. Physically, there would've been more struggle. Would he have felt any more regret afterwards? Hard to say, but I don't think the look in his eyes could've been any more empty. Could this be an isolated incident? Perhaps. But I sure as hell don't think so. Shooting someone may make it a hell of a lot quicker, but with no ounce of certainty could I say it makes it easier on one's conscience.
