Printable Gunmaker About to Test in Texas
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I'm not really sure of what's going on here...
Are they claiming that they can produce, from a printer (what type I'm not totally sure of), a fully functioning firearm? While I'm not surprised that this might be possible, fully functional doesn't mean actually usable. Hell, I could turn my airsoft guns into "fully functional" .22's, which is why I can no longer have any shipped to California, but those conversions would be able to fire probably around 1-2 shots before exploding in my hands.
People are overreacting to this just because it's a firearms topic on the internet, where there is absolutely no middle ground and where people who don't necessarily have a vast knowledge of the inner workings of a firearm can spout off their opinions. Thank God this isn't in R&P.
Are they claiming that they can produce, from a printer (what type I'm not totally sure of), a fully functioning firearm? While I'm not surprised that this might be possible, fully functional doesn't mean actually usable. Hell, I could turn my airsoft guns into "fully functional" .22's, which is why I can no longer have any shipped to California, but those conversions would be able to fire probably around 1-2 shots before exploding in my hands.
People are overreacting to this just because it's a firearms topic on the internet, where there is absolutely no middle ground and where people who don't necessarily have a vast knowledge of the inner workings of a firearm can spout off their opinions. Thank God this isn't in R&P.
This kind of statement scares me way more than guns. I worry that if Europeans have their way, in about 15-20 years civilians will be so terrified of guns that they'd be easily subjugated by military police of a corrupt government, without even the slightest ability to fight back, or that criminals that don't follow the laws anyways buying guns illegally will be so powerful that they'll be able to rob an entire neighborhood going door to door with a single freaking gun. Seriously grow a sack people its a gun, we've made them for hundreds of years and society is still standing. Stop being a bunch of children and learn the importance of the ability to protect yourself.O maestre said:
Whether or not Defense Distributed are irresponsible dicks, is irrelevant.
3D printing WILL HAPPEN. 3D printers at home will only get cheaper, easier to use, and more flexible, than the current prototypes. 3D printers were already used to make protoype wall clocks, guitars, ponies, and bycicles.
Any DRM on them that tries to stop you from printing certain things, WILL BE CRACKED.
There are enough firearm hobbyists out there to create various competing gun designs and SHARE THEM PUBLICALLY.
3D models of printable objects, including guns, WILL BE DISTRIBUTED, if nowhere else, than on piracy sites.
Wishing that all this potential of 3D printers should go away, is like MPAA wishing the Internet would go away: It's an understandable sentiment, from a point of view, but it doesn't matter, because that's not gonna happen.
3D printing WILL HAPPEN. 3D printers at home will only get cheaper, easier to use, and more flexible, than the current prototypes. 3D printers were already used to make protoype wall clocks, guitars, ponies, and bycicles.
Any DRM on them that tries to stop you from printing certain things, WILL BE CRACKED.
There are enough firearm hobbyists out there to create various competing gun designs and SHARE THEM PUBLICALLY.
3D models of printable objects, including guns, WILL BE DISTRIBUTED, if nowhere else, than on piracy sites.
Wishing that all this potential of 3D printers should go away, is like MPAA wishing the Internet would go away: It's an understandable sentiment, from a point of view, but it doesn't matter, because that's not gonna happen.
I never said that guns were bad or something that has no use for protection, I am fine with guns, Switzerland has an entire nation of citizen militia, almost everyone has a weapon there and its one of the most pleasant places on earth. In fact I believe more martial tradition should be introduced throughout Europe.NamelessFU said:
if you read my post I do not fear weapons or firearms and I do not have a problem with people owning firearms for protection or otherwise. I fear Americans. To elaborate, Americans gun-culture is frightening it seems inherently paranoid and destructive. This is of course my personal impression of the United States, and before you say I get all my information from the sensationalist news, my family once visited the family of one of my fathers friends. Their car and their home was armed to the teeth, and while there is nothing wrong with that, what appalled me was the callous way they advocated a shoot first, and blast away approach to gun ownership.
It seems callous and shows a lack of respect in regards to how powerful a weapon is, and this was an ordinary family of five. To reiterate I'm fine with weapons and citizens owning them, what freaks me out are Americans.
What I really do not understand is your collective inability to even concede the very notion of change or flexibility, in regards to this issue.
The very fear you expressed about a corrupt government really shows how its fuelled by paranoia. I quite simply do not fear my government, the worst harm they have done to me have been parking tickets. The biggest political scandal I have witnessed recently has been a minister who spent too much money on private dinners. The very Idea seems more like science fiction to me. Frankly I do not even think European governments have the military capacity to enforce martial law, our combined military expenditure doesn't even come close to the United States. But you are right it could still happen however like I stated before I do not have an issue with gun ownership in general, I have an issue with who is holding the gun.
You are overtly trying to put words in my mouth. xenophobic? where if anything I would say my fear was very specific. you are right the rest of the world is not like Europe, unless you only compare it to other industrialized, from measurement to laws and culture European sensibilities are prevalent. Only the US is radically different, and I was not talking about the rest of the world, I was talking about the United States of America.Ultratwinkie said:
Its radically different when we are talking about gun culture and antagonistic mind set. Race is unrelated and irrelevant to what I am talking about, so your argument of word substitution is not applicable.
I do not have any problem with fire arms and as I stated earlier, I think a martial culture that includes fire arms education would be beneficial for Europeans. Its your laws(or rather lack of) and irresponsible attitude that frightens me, its your fervent adherence to an anti-social gun culture that is completely beyond my scope of rational understanding or reasoning.
To hammer it home, a person cannot change the colour of their skin, but a person can get wiser and change their opinions, cant you see the fundamental difference?
Ahem. I'm not quite sure I agree here. I'm European, and my reaction is.AldUK said:
Wow. Cool that that's possible followed closely by. Ugh. Not more guns...
So uh, kind of conflicted I guess. XD