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9thRequiem

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Gun laws completely aside (Please? Haven't we had enough of continent-generalization?), I can't see how this can be anything but trouble.

Anyone fine with gun ownership still needs to recognize the importance of tracking. Even black market guns are somewhat limited, so you can't, for example, shoot someone, melt down the evidence, then just print yourself off a new gun when you need one.
This won't affect the legitimate side of gun ownership (a last resort for defending your own life) as these people can easily and legally get guns already (and probably better ones) and don't mind them being tracked, but will greatly increase gun crime. And for what, exactly? I can't see any arguments for this kind of printer application.
 

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Scow2 said:
Mortis Nuncius said:
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fascist monopoly on weapons.
Maybe this list will inform you on the exact level of fascism and monopolizing of gun manufacturing we are dealing with. Just...truly astonishing.

On topic, i suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with this method of mass-production, but there's going to need to be a shitload of regulating and security to keep every owner of a 3D Printer from getting their hands on weapon blueprints.
No, there doesn't need to be extra regulation and security. That kind of shit is what prompted things like printable weapons in the first place.
chaos order said:
Lunar Templar said:
Azahul said:
Lunar Templar said:
besides, humans would kill each other senseless even if guns where never invented, so we all just get over that now or would we like to piss and moan about about 'how much better it'd be with out guns', when in reality all that would mean is more brutal murders more often
Woah, in what reality would no guns lead to more murders? I get that the murders would be more brutal, or at the very least require more physical effort on the part of the murderer (although to be honest I don't care squat about how brutal am murder is, someone is dead at the end of it and the method of getting there is irrelevant), but I can't really see the number of murders actually increasing on account of the absence of guns. Does not having access to guns make people hulk out and murder from rage at the loss of freedom or something?
sorry for sounding like it would, but that seems to be the general vibe of the 'anti gun crowd'. personally, I dislike guns, its a cowards weapon to me and cheapens the act of taking a life, I'll wait for you to pick your jaw off your desk from hearing an American say that.

But I don't see how it'll make a difference ether way, sure, maybe the murder rate won't go up, and maybe it'll even go down a little. but I have serious doubts as to how much that dip would be, after all, how many country's that have banned guns and still have major problems with murder rates?

anyway, until we fix 'the people' taking away weapons isn't going to do much in the long run, though I'm lacking for any ideas as to how to do that.
you make a fair point by saying people are assholes. (i mean look at you.... kidding obviously that was too easy) Controlling guns may not necessarily reduce murder rates, but damn it i think its worth a shot. (HA) A guns only purpose is to make living things dead, yes there are other tools that can accomplish the same goal but a hammer is not meant for that. (trust me its messy) why allow people to have such items whos only use is to make dead things. now im not saying that a total ban on guns is necessary because i know that there are people out there that shoot responsibly, but having strong control on who can have a gun would probably help. Back on topic you can probably guess i think printing guns is kinda silly.
Because there are some living people in this world who need to be made dead, because with or without guns, they will make life miserble (Or cut it short) for far more people. Controlling who has guns only gives the guns to those who don't give a damn about the 'control'.

If attempts to bring down crime by regulating guns results in spikes in violent assaults, brazen robberies and burglaries (and muggings), increased incidents of rape, and an overall rise in violent crime (As has been observed to happen in every instance of Gun Control in the U.S. - it's part of our culture), then NO, it's NOT "Worth a shot". Getting people injured, assaulted, robbed, or killed in pursuit of policies that have been proven failures time and time again is NOT the way to go.





However, as others have noted, this silliness is doomed because of the inability for 3D printer materials to stand up to the force of a gunshot.
now im a bit skeptical about that line where you said that every attempt at increasing gun control has resulted in an increase in said crimes. do you have any sources to back that up, cause thats a bit of an overstatement otherwise. also saying that its part of american culture doesnt really fly by me either(not an american as you can tell), that implies that any aspect of any culture should be maintained regardless of whether or not it is dangerous to others. It seems to me that youre assuming too much about what would happen if guns were controlled more heavily.
 

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Considering thats parts of jet engines are now being 'printed' surely a gun is not difficult.

The easy way round the pressure and stress damage is to use a tudor cannon idea, duplex/triplex barrel.

Similar to duplex/triplex armour there is a hard layer and a soft layer with finer printers you could have sevral layers of polymers each with characteristicts that would keep the barrel stable.

Advanced polymers would make the final product worth studying.


I would be surprised if the military were not keeping an I on this, prototype weapons would evolve at a higher rate from alteration to testing and final production.


Why is everyone getting upset about gun laws? (As long as the mentally ill don't have them, thats just asking for trouble)
 

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Weirdly, part of this isn't so much the 'gun' as the '3-d printing' part. One thing that most 3d printers have been firm about is keeping this technology out of the reach of the common man. ATM they're actually suing kickstarter to keep a project off the shelves that would reduce the cost of a 'good' 3d printer to a 'mere' 3,000 dollars.
 

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This is such a terrible idea.
Literally everyone will have a gun, there won't be a reason not to. They'd be free, sure you could get much better ones at the shops but god damnit everyone will have a gun.

If it was just models for show I'd be fine with it but printing out working guns? What's stopping a criminal continuously printing out a stream of free guns, taking one shot then crushing it underfoot?
I'm sure I'm exaggerating but this idea still seems so stupid to me.
 

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Without reading anything but the opening post, I assume by page three we have one, if not all, of the following:

- Someone loudly proclaiming Americans are mental
- Someone loudly proclaiming people with anti-gun sentiments are mental
- A long back-and-fourth between two people trying the most roundabout way of saying the other is stupid
- A comparison to a novel, film, or play in which this happens and it's really really bad
- Saying we should ban cars, kettles, tissues or other silly objects because they are 'less dangerous than guns'
- Spiderman
- Godwin
- Maybe some rational discussion (ha!)

OT:

As a technological showcase, this is quite interesting. I certainly don't think it is a replacement for the registering of firearms and I doubt it's a cost-effective way of manufacturing your own (safe to use) gun, but I'm not knowledgeable in regards to this sort of topic.
 

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Call me when we'll be able to torrent gun blueprints and illegally assemble them by pressing "print"...

... cause that's the point when I'll just chain myself to the next Soyuz off this rock.

Captcha: the dennis system - yeah, might as well go there.
 

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Monsterfurby said:
Call me when we'll be able to torrent gun blueprints and illegally assemble them by pressing "print"...

... cause that's the point when I'll just chain myself to the next Soyuz off this rock.

Captcha: the dennis system - yeah, might as well go there.
The all-American dream. Apparently.

I'll join you in the dennis system.
 

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Take away guns and all of a sudden, the act of killing your fellow man becomes a lot more difficult, you have to get close to them, you have to look them in the eye as the light fades, you have to get their blood, on your hands.
Or you could kill them from a distance with a bow & arrow. Or a crossbow. Or if that's too large to conceal easily, you could kill them with a miniaturized crossbow instead. Or blow darts. Not as much range, but it still saves you the difficulty of having to get close to them.

Or if you want to do it in style, figure out how to use ninja stars and throwing blades and use those instead.
 

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TrilbyWill said:
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Yeah, but I don't think a company called Defense Distributed running the 'Wiki Weapon' project is planning to make satellites.
You mean like defense satellites [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Satellite_Communications_System] used for communication and or looking down from orbit at military targets and shooting beams of death . Yes I see no strategic value in being able to quickly make a custom satellite and put it into orbit. In fact I am sure the military has no plans on even developing a plane [http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0618/Mysterious-Air-Force-space-plane-lands-after-15-months-in-orbit] to deliver military equipment into orbit. That would be preposterous.
 

ShindoL Shill

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Rigs83 said:
TrilbyWill said:
Rigs83 said:
Yeah, but I don't think a company called Defense Distributed running the 'Wiki Weapon' project is planning to make satellites.
You mean like defense satellites [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Satellite_Communications_System] used for communication and or looking down from orbit at military targets and shooting beams of death . Yes I see no strategic value in being able to quickly make a custom satellite and put it into orbit. In fact I am sure the military has no plans on even developing a plane [http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0618/Mysterious-Air-Force-space-plane-lands-after-15-months-in-orbit] to deliver military equipment into orbit. That would be preposterous.
I'm aware that satellites are used for defense, and I agree that this technology can be used for that. I hope it is.
But I just doubt that that is the end goal of Defense Distributed.
Mostly because this is at the bottom of their homepage:
Defense Distributed Homepage [http://defensedistributed.com/]

1) CREATE THE WORLD'S FIRST 100% 3D PRINTABLE GUN
2) ADAPT THE DESIGN DOWN TO CHEAPER 3D PRINTERS
3) BECOME THE WEB'S PRINTABLE GUN WIKI REDOUBT
 

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surg3n said:
Rigs83 said:
This ^

I doubt it's even possible yet, to print an actual firing gun without it blowing itself up or failing completely. Maybe better to just let them have it, loose some fingers, and go back to the drawing-in-blood-using-your-stump board. Metal just can't be 3D printed and maintain the required density and properties and geometric accuracy to produce a workable firearm.
This ^
Either they're actual engineers who know what they're doing, in which case this is the cutting edge of 3D printing and should be experimented with to see its full potential, because its incredibly frickin awesome, or they're a bunch of texans who heard about 3D printing and thought they should make themselves a gun, in which case they should video the first test fire and put it on youtube.
Either way, I want them to keep on at it :D
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Defense Distributed has applied to become a nonprofit organization, with the stated goal of "charitable public interest publishing." In other words, it intends to eventually distribute printable gun schematics free of charge.
I can see no possible way that this could go wrong. God Speed, Defense Distributed. God Speed.

[/sarcasm]
Possessing the plans for a weapon is not the same as possessing a weapon. Or for a perhaps more appropriate analogy, I have several copies of the CSS Master Key and the old, revoked, Bluray Master Key on my hard drives. Does that mean I'm intending to rip and pirate every DVD and Bluray I come across?

mathsisfun said:
surg3n said:
Rigs83 said:
This ^

I doubt it's even possible yet, to print an actual firing gun without it blowing itself up or failing completely. Maybe better to just let them have it, loose some fingers, and go back to the drawing-in-blood-using-your-stump board. Metal just can't be 3D printed and maintain the required density and properties and geometric accuracy to produce a workable firearm.
This ^
Either they're actual engineers who know what they're doing, in which case this is the cutting edge of 3D printing and should be experimented with to see its full potential, because its incredibly frickin awesome, or they're a bunch of texans who heard about 3D printing and thought they should make themselves a gun, in which case they should video the first test fire and put it on youtube.
Either way, I want them to keep on at it :D
Actually, someone has already printed the lower receiver of an AR-15, from a modified version of one of several STL files floating around the net, mated it to a conventionally manufactured barrel, upper receiver and other parts and successfully fired it. That is what inspired this whole project. But despite the hysteria, it's not something that any Joe with a RepRap or MakerBot can just print off in an evening a weekend.