Quebec Demands "French-First" Videogames

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Lord Krunk

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Hey, it's their problem. If they want their games late, it's fine by me.

I don't see why it's so hard to release stuff in Australia on time, however.
 

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Lord Krunk said:
Hey, it's their problem. If they want their games late, it's fine by me.

I don't see why it's so hard to release stuff in Australia on time, however.
They're trying to get it translated directly to bogan.

"Turn left ya' feckin ****".
 

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alright... i kind of having the impression to step in a pool full of hate right now but let's just clarify some things here...

first having language laws to be sure that the 80 something percent of the population can have services in their own language is not that bad. What happen in united states if a company would decide to only talk spanish, put everything in their stores spanish, and do all their adds in spanish. i guess you would be pretty pissed off ?

well, 40 years ago, in most of the downtown montreal store, everything was written in english, clerks was only speaking english, and all the adds were in english, while montreal was 85-90% french. now maybe it's down to around 78% french, but it's still mostly french.

and cleverlymadeup should know if he was so informed about Quebec, that we dont even have 7 elevens in quebec (so they didnt had to change their name), that futureshop is not boycott at all here, and that we do have best buy (which in fact, own futureshop)


Now for the law. First did anyone even noticed in Montreal that this law is already in application for the last 2 years for PC games ? i didnt heard anyone complain. Then if anybody here have it's xbox set to french, they would have noticed that most of console games are already in french. That the guy who was mad because he found 15 french boxes of fallout 3 and none in english should have noticed that this and almost every games anyway are bilingual. they are both french and english. The only game i know that have been delay because of a language law was RB2.

But i think this law was not necessary, even if i defend the spirit of it. I would have prefer that they pushed a law to make french version on DVD mandatory, because it's lame to have a french version of Hitman on DVD but not on bluray, or have only a english version of House on DVD, while i watch it in french on TV...
 

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Crazy Quebecers always causin' trouble...lol
But they always have something to cause a disturbance about
Livin in BC means im the farthest province away, so I dont have to worry as much.
 

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DamienHell said:
Everyone in Canada hates Quebec.
EVERYONE. We're actually looking to trade them for Alaska, I'm talking to you Obama. You can use them for target practice.
Maybe you hate them, but I don't...
 

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Anonymouse said:
And people wonder why everyone hates the french... even the imitation frenchies are total assholes.
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Hankage said:
Quebec can go fuck itself with something sharp and rusty.
Nicolas Sarkozy's dick?
BillBarilko said:
Amen. I had almost forgotten how pants-on-head retarded Quebec can be when it comes to their French first bullshit. Just separate already and ferme ta fucking gueule!
Caliostro said:
Ah Quebec... The world still doesn't care you exist...
Khell_Sennet said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
Fuck Quebec and their unconstitutional restrictions on language. English is one of our two national languages, and the dominant one to boot. To restrict the use of English is asinine, to force companies and individuals to use a language that most* of our nation doesn't even know, it's fucking retarded.

*Quoted direct from Wilipedia, on the subject "Canada", sub-section "Language"...
98.5% of Canadians speak English or French (67.5% speak English only, 13.3% speak French only, and 17.7% speak both).
DamienHell said:
Everyone in Canada hates Quebec.
EVERYONE. We're actually looking to trade them for Alaska, I'm talking to you Obama. You can use them for target practice.
Wow, you people are all rude ignorant morons. Stop being all "Hurdurr durr I 8 u French people lololol!!!1one U smell and u eat frogs lolz!!!1! Evaryone that dozent speak english gud liek me should die hurr hurrr". Do you realise that your are currently throwing shit at the whole population of Québec because "they want to pass a law enforcing their language" and calling them racist and whatnot while THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

It's you guys who are being both racist and jugemental and ignorant and language-intolerant here.
Heck, there is a lot of Francophones and Quebecers that came and commented here and all of them have said that they find this to be ridiculous and they disagree.

Stop insulting the entirety of Québec's population, especially based on such a ridiculous law that comes from some random ignorant person in the governement that probably never touched a videogame in their life and that pretty much all the gaming community of the province of Québec thinks is outrageous and ridiculous.

I'm in no way endorsing this and all the rabid extremist French-forcing laws. Tough the moderate ones are alright, Québec's official language is French and it's just normal that it has laws about it, just like all of your own countries have those. Alright. As long as it doesn't prohibits the other language, I don't care and I don't see why any of you should care.

Geez. I'm always promoting multiculturality, I have friends from all over Canada and the world, I have absoletely no grievance against speaking English and I realise it's the best way for people form all places and cultures to understand each other but GEEZ.

You wonder why there is problem between the cultures? Look again at all your ignorant, rude, generalistic, insulting, dickish comments.
It's in times like this that I understand the sepraratist movement, even if I don't endorse it the slightest.
I agree Quebec can get really rabid on French laws but LOOK AT YOU.

/disgust

Anyways, congratulations to the few people that have said sensible things here, and that weren't generaly "language-racist" dickheads.
 

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CelebrenIthil said:
- Quebec is a province of Canada, not a country by itself, it doesn't get special treatment. Canada is bilingual, it speaks French AND English while I do believe the official language is actually English.
- Quebec is REALLY fucking irritating thinking it's special... Poor thing has identity issues.
- I'm pretty sure my country does not enforce language laws to this idiotic point. They force important things to be in our native language, like signs, public services, etc. They won't forbid private industries from selling anything in any language.
- Quebec is irritating... Really... Not everyone from Quebec specific, but the province as a whole.
 

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Caliostro said:
CelebrenIthil said:
- Quebec is a province of Canada, not a country by itself, it doesn't get special treatment. Canada is bilingual, it speaks French AND English while I do believe the official language is actually English.
- Quebec is REALLY fucking irritating thinking it's special... Poor thing has identity issues.
- I'm pretty sure my country does not enforce language laws to this idiotic point. They force important things to be in our native language, like signs, public services, etc. They won't forbid private industries from selling anything in any language.
- Quebec is irritating... Really... Not everyone from Quebec specific, but the province as a whole.
French AND english are both official language in canada

Well, we do have our own star system, movies, music, tv station, authors, tv show that we produce, etc.. you know thing that define a culture...

Khell_Sennet said:
CelebrenIthil said:
I'm in no way endorsing this and all the rabid extremist French-forcing laws. Tough the moderate ones are alright, Québec's official language is French and it's just normal that it has laws about it, just like all of your own countries have those. Alright. As long as it doesn't prohibits the other language, I don't care and I don't see why any of you should care.
I have this friend who is from Quebec. She's not French in any way, only speaks English. She had to move out of Quebec because she doesn't speak French, thus can't find work. Out there, her entire family was on welfare because they won't hire English speaking people. They all moved to Alberta, employed on day two.

As much as we can begrudgingly accept that the French Canadians are allowed their language, English IS the primary language of the nation. That people can't find work because they only speak the majority language of the nation, isn't right.

And beyond that, there are other stories of woe regarding Quebec. One in particular bothers me greatly. In the rest of Canada, we are forced to offer French schooling to anyone and everyone who wishes it. Be there only one French child in the entire city, or ten thousand, we must comply. In Quebec however, this isn't reciprocated. They don't have to offer English schooling. In fact, the only way to GO to English-language classes is to be the child of an a person who went to English school in Quebec. If your parents can't provide written proof that they attended an English school in Quebec, you can't go to English school. How the fuck is that fair? We have, as Canadians, the legal right to live anywhere in Canada as we choose. But if you move TO Quebec, you can't have your child's education continue in the language they know?

So yeah. Fuck Quebec. Not all of the people, definitely some of them, but fuck the province, fuck their laws, and fuck the idiots back in the colonial days who allowed them to keep their culture, it has brought us nothing but grief.

And now, a brief history of Canada:
Once upon a time, there was two worlds. The Old World, and the New World. Once the New World became known to the inhabitants of the Old World, a number of the nations sent ships to colonize this new land. Chief among these were the Spaniards, the French, and the British.

The British and the Spanish fought for control of the southern lands, the British also fought the French for the northern lands, and all three sides fought the local natives for ALL the lands. A long story short, the British beat back the Spanish in the south and carved out a nation later to be called "America", the remaining Spaniards calling their remaining territory "Mexico". But up north, the British didn't just beat back the French, they completely defeated them. But instead of killing them, or sending them back to their motherland France (of which they did not wish to do), the British tried to be nice, and let the French remain as part of their new nation "Canada". They were allowed to keep their culture, their language, their traditions and their beliefs. Where the conquered French or Spanish colonies in America were made to adapt to British ways, the French Canadians had things their way. But rather than be grateful, we have spent almost two hundred and fifty years making concessions, exceptions, or accommodations to these ingrates.

And so the British colonists and their descendants, lived miserably ever after.

As to the natives, that's a story for another time...

The End.
And since in Alberta for exemple there's 33 french school for 61000 people, compare to 408 english school for 500 000 english people (1850 person per school for alberta, 1340(around) person per school for quebec, that they have 8 college, 3 university, 18 hospital, 3 tv station, a dozen radio station and newspaper, that in west island montreal i can barely get served in french...

you friend prefered whine and quit rather than learning a bit of french ? and we are the people who complain a lot ?

we are 80% french in quebec, why is it bad that we ask that people speak a little bit of french ? then why i cannot go work in vancouver if i cannot speak english ?

after the conquest, the english governement used us as cheap labor, controlling the whole educationnal system, the whole political system, and the whole economical system. they even asked us to abandon our religion if we want to work for the governement. we were repressed, and they tried countless time to assimilate us. and we should be thankfull ?

i am the only one that dont understand why ?
 

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cathou said:
after the conquest, the english governement used us as cheap labor, controlling the whole educationnal system, the whole political system, and the whole economical system.
You overstate things. Though the conquest indeed rendered the French Empire's economic and social system in Quebec obsolete, the quebecois retained their legal system and the Catholic Church was not persecuted. No one was disinherited, at least that I can recall. French language schools remained under the control of the Quebecois, too. Yes, the British Empire used Quebec residents as cheap labour... but then again, so did the French Empire; that's what Empires do, I'm afraid.

Indeed, it was the cost of accomodating the entry of Quebec into British North America that led to the tax levies that led to the American Revolution twenty years later. The British may not have handled it well, but they spent a lot of money trying to.

they even asked us to abandon our religion if we want to work for the governement. we were repressed, and they tried countless time to assimilate us. and we should be thankfull ?
At the time, Britain was only two generations away from a civil war between Catholics and Protestants... and French Catholics intevened. There was a lot of paranoia at the time that the Pope would use the Church to upset the balance again in the hopes of regaining a Catholic England (overblown, admittedly, but not unjustified) and that's why there was such anti-Catholic sentiment in governing circles of the Canadas. Religious civil wars do that.

Speaking as a former Quebecker, I understand why the Quebecois want to retain their culture but I have seen first-hand the strong negative side-effects of legislating cultural superiority. Promote the culture, fine; but if you enforce it by law you're no better than those who tried to assimilate everyone before.

-- Steve
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
cathou said:
after the conquest, the english governement used us as cheap labor, controlling the whole educationnal system, the whole political system, and the whole economical system.
You overstate things. Though the conquest indeed rendered the French Empire's economic and social system in Quebec obsolete, the quebecois retained their legal system and the Catholic Church was not persecuted. No one was disinherited, at least that I can recall. French language schools remained under the control of the Quebecois, too. Yes, the British Empire used Quebec residents as cheap labour... but then again, so did the French Empire; that's what Empires do, I'm afraid.

Indeed, it was the cost of accomodating the entry of Quebec into British North America that led to the tax levies that led to the American Revolution twenty years later. The British may not have handled it well, but they spent a lot of money trying to.

they even asked us to abandon our religion if we want to work for the governement. we were repressed, and they tried countless time to assimilate us. and we should be thankfull ?
At the time, Britain was only two generations away from a civil war between Catholics and Protestants... and French Catholics intevened. There was a lot of paranoia at the time that the Pope would use the Church to upset the balance again in the hopes of regaining a Catholic England (overblown, admittedly, but not unjustified) and that's why there was such anti-Catholic sentiment in governing circles of the Canadas. Religious civil wars do that.

Speaking as a former Quebecker, I understand why the Quebecois want to retain their culture but I have seen first-hand the strong negative side-effects of legislating cultural superiority. Promote the culture, fine; but if you enforce it by law you're no better than those who tried to assimilate everyone before.

-- Steve
let's talk of the acadian.
http://www.girouard.org/cgi-bin/page.pl?file=deportation&n=4

this was in appalicatio from 1763 until 1774
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_post-Reformation_oaths#The_Test_Oath_.281672.2C_1678.29

After a while, the only university and higher education system was in english only, limiting french worker to the lower jobs. They were also controlling the baks system, so it was nearly impossible to get educated and get a hold on the economic system for a french. It only change around 1950...

While it's true that they didnt not destroyed the churches, the catholic clergy didnt had any legal existence for a few decades.


but anyway, that's all history, and i think we are way off topic here...
 

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cathou said:
French AND english are both official language in canada

Well, we do have our own star system, movies, music, tv station, authors, tv show that we produce, etc.. you know thing that define a culture...
You're right, you know why? Because of your idiotic pseudo-separatism from Canada, which is way too nice on you and keeps saying "fine, have that slice of cake, just stop crying about it". The result is that now you guys think you're actually a country, with your own independent laws, and not just an extremely pretentious and spoiled piece of Canada. Personally, I think it would have been a lot better and easier for everyone if a couple centuries ago the British had went "You know what, fuck this and your incessant whining, you're now British.", at least now you guys wouldn't be going around being a major pain in the ass of the same country that supports you and everyone would be happy. But that's my opinion off course.

The ultimate irony, I honestly can't think of any half-decent movie, tv show, author, movie or tv star, music, composer, musician or even famous person from Quebec off the top of my head...
 

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Caliostro said:
Personally, I think it would have been a lot better and easier for everyone if a couple centuries ago the British had went "You know what, fuck this and your incessant whining, you're now British."
Actually, that's what happened...
 

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Random argument man said:
Caliostro said:
Personally, I think it would have been a lot better and easier for everyone if a couple centuries ago the British had went "You know what, fuck this and your incessant whining, you're now British."
Actually, that's what happened...
Meant totally. Not "You're British but you can keep pretending you're French".
 

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Caliostro said:
Random argument man said:
Caliostro said:
Personally, I think it would have been a lot better and easier for everyone if a couple centuries ago the British had went "You know what, fuck this and your incessant whining, you're now British."
Actually, that's what happened...
Meant totally. Not "You're British but you can keep pretending you're French".
They actually tried to assimilate them....Twice... They took a break while the USA and England had some...issues...
 

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Caliostro said:
The ultimate irony, I honestly can't think of any half-decent movie, tv show, author, movie or tv star, music, composer, musician or even famous person from Quebec off the top of my head...
of course since it's mostly in french, but let's try

celine dion, like her or not she is quite popular around the world.

simple plan, well the guys decided to sing in english, but they are from quebec and they are
french. they come here often.

robert charlebois have play a bit around the world

bon cop bad cop. you probably dont know that movie. but still it made 13 million dollars in theatres in quebec alone. 1.3 million outside. name me one canadian movie that have done this...

les invasions barbares. it's boring, but they win an oscar a few years ago...

Bombardier. they make planes and train around the world, the guy who found the company have invented the ski-doo, and the coimpany developed the sea-doo, it may ring a bell to you... we are world leader in hydro-electricity, we invented the very high tension transportation lines for electricity. you may also know Softimage ? once world leader in 3d animation. created in montreal.

Alimentation couche-tard : conveniant store. in ontario they call them Macs, and in the states it's circle K. 10.2 billion annual revenus...

Michel Tremblay. feel free to wiki, his work is translate in many language and know around the world.

un gars une fille : it's a tv show. you may know it under another name, it's have been sold to what 20 different country ?

If you have watch the TV serie Nikita, you know roy dupuis. a famous quebec actor.

Alain Lefèvre : a well knowned around the world pianist from montreal.



thoses are just exemple, i could post exemple all night long... 50% of our radio content and around 60% of our tv content is produced here. sorry but i cannot say that from the english canadian who only suck up american culture...